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12:27 AM
posted on August 27, 2014 by xkcd

Walking New York Could a person walk the entire city of NY in their lifetime? (including inside apartments) Asaf Shamir Like the answer to Paint the Earth, the answer to the first part of this question is pretty straightforward to look up. But what if it weren't? Can we figure out the answer from things we already know? Let's look at a few ways of estimating it. First of all,

 
 
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6:35 AM
@HamZa Laura is an SE employee, employees get a diamond by contract. She is a PM, her full name is Laura Dobrzynski-Gessner and works at the NYC SE HeadQuarters stackexchange.com/about
She is sometimes active on MSE.
!!coffee
 
7:20 AM
Good morning!
 
!!go
 
!!cupcake
 
~ One cupcake on it's way for @metacubed ....
 
yay! I finally have a cupcake.. after 9 separate tries
:)
@Unihedron keeps eating them all.. hello @Unihedron!
 
xP heya @metacubed
Welcome @JustinJDavies to the Tavern!
 
7:32 AM
!!coffee
 
~ 418 I'm a TEAPOT
 
!!coffee
 
~ 406 Not Acceptable
 
!!coffee
 
~ Too much coffee is bad....
 
7:33 AM
lucky I already got me one then
!!milk
 
~ I'm milking the cow ....
 
7:46 AM
@Stijn done
 
I'll probably compile a list of all duplicate answers and put it on Meta. It's already been locked for users <10 rep but new answers keep being added, 6 years after it was originally asked I doubt new information can be added still.
 
@Stijn I think questions like this need a full lockdown. There's nothing more to say..
 
indeed
 
8:07 AM
does anybody know if you can export issues from github?
 
Morning!
 
@rene to where and why??
(there's always manual copy-pasta)
 
To an excel sheet, for a PM :)
 
I think you can do that with Bitbucket, not sure for github
Morning @ProgramFOX!
 
I have an curl command that might work
hold on
 
oh okay...
since when are gists oneboxed btw?
 
@ProgramFOX any python version will do?
 
@rene It works in Python 2.7 and above.
 
ok, let me install that first...
3.4.1 gets installed now
 
@rene ah yes, "JIRA is too hard, please give me a list in a Word document"
 
8:12 AM
That will be my first adventure in python...
 
Fun times
 
@Stijn yeah...don't get me started...
 
@Stijn wait what there is such people??ß
 
It is basically MBE
 
oh. my. god.
@rene urbandictionary (MBE): Man-beer-unit (???)
 
8:14 AM
I have this black window with a cursor blinking. What do I do next?
 
better take the third: mind-blowing-experience.
 
Anyone know of a working Morning Cat Realization meme generator?
 
Management by Excel
 
@rene ouch... we got that too..
time-"tracking" by excel
 
"This cell is red, it should be green, make sure that cell gets green, see you next week"
 
8:16 AM
@Sam Have you found some mistakes while looking at my code yesterday?
 
@ProgramFOX How do I run that script? save it as a .py file? Or can I run it directly form ther python command line?
 
@rene Save it as a .py file, and then run it.
 
No module named requests
 
Then you need to install requests.
@rene 1. Download the source from here. 2. Run python setup.py install to install requests.
 
OK
 
8:26 AM
thanks a bunch, swing....
this.validate();
this.repaint();
and nothing happens..
and that after I switched the whole layout.
 
new RepaintFactory().Repaint(this);
not making fun of Java at all
 
Try jQuery
 
LOL
 
@Stijn that looks like C# to me.
 
Are you sure your device is swing aware?
 
8:29 AM
confusion ensues
 
Java being briliant, in case of errors find other stuff to blame....
 
@rene there is no errors... there is just... nothing..
the layout from before is not reacting anymore, and the new layout is not showing up....
 
@Vogel612 Use a debugger...
 
@Unihedron um... yea.. wut?
 
hi all
 
8:35 AM
so you want me to debug between two threads, to inside the swing JFrame.repaint()?
hi @Aymenworks
 
@Vogel612 Are you sure you call validate and paint in the right place? If you call it inside an event that is triggered by paint you might have created an endless loop
@ProgramFOX managed to install that....
 
I got a button. that button has an ActionListener. That actionListener calls a private void to relayout my Class extends JFrame, by calling this.removeAll(); this.add(contentBox); this.validate(); this.repaint();
 
I would add some logging to see if you're not reentrant in someway in that method.
 
@rene more confusion
I added some sysouts..
and they get executed nicely and in order..
 
@Sam @rene I just found out that rate limiting is not the issue with my bot; I enabled logging for it and I would get a different message if I would be rate limited.
 
8:41 AM
@Vogel612 Oh... I'm out of idea's then
 
8:52 AM
[DisplayFormat(DataFormatString = Resources.Formatting.Date
it was too good to be true
> An attribute argument must be a constant expression, typeof expression or array creation expression of an attribute parameter type
 
Yeah, you have to run your own attribute to achieve that.
You can't do much more beyond compile time evaluation
Any help on this: TypeError: 'str' does not support the buffer interface
On this line ` csvout.writerow(['id', 'Title', bytes('Body','UTF-8'),....`
 
eh, no idea @rene
 
I already tried to make it bytes and buffer but that didn't help
@ProgramFOX @Unihedron need some tips... :(
@Stijn we better stick to c#, take my word for it
 
hmm...
 
don't tell me to downgrade to python 2.7
!!MOAR COFFEE
 
9:00 AM
~ WUT?
 
!!coffee
 
~ Refilling...
 
!!milk
 
~ I'm skimming the milk... try later
 
nailed it!
hmmm. takes a long time to finish though...
 
9:13 AM
@rene Hmm... let me look.
 
Sam
Hiya
 
~ Not everything is star-worthy...
 
Oh, you already found it. Nice :)
 
It did write the header row now...
 
~ Stars get removed under peer-pressure?
 
9:13 AM
not the rest though...
 
2 days ago, by ProgramFOX
Grrr... WHO STOLE MY STAR????
Hiya @Sam!
 
not equal is != in python?
 
Sam
@ProgramFOX So you've solved the issue?
 
@rene Yep
@Sam No; rate limiting is not the issue, it just does not post the messages.
 
Sam
lol, sorry, thought you were speaking to me.
 
9:17 AM
Also, ChatExchange already handles rate limiting, so another handler is not necessary.
I pinged ManishEarth (the owner of ChatExchange) about it, probably he knows the cause.
 
Sam
Ok.
@HamZa Wb.
 
~ Hello @HamZa
 
Hello
 
Sam
@ProgramFOX And no, I didn't see anything wrong with your code. But then again, I'm not a python expert.
 
@Sam Actually, to successfully read Python, you don't need to be an expert in it. Good Python code is very close to pseudo-code.
 
9:21 AM
@ProgramFOX Keyword: good code
You can either hang out in the Android Loop or the HURD loop.
5
 
@rene She definitely is, I was talking about other mods like this, this
and this. The last one is probably more active than the others IMO
 
Sam
lol, I see there's a new what-if today.
 
@Unihedron Indeed. I tried to make my Python code as close to pseudo-code as possible, but that doesn't mean that it's good code :D
The writing style might be, but writing style != the rest of your code.
 
Sam
@ProgramFOX But it would help if I knew the basic specs of the language, the internals etc.
 
@HamZa Abby T. Miller and Ani, I don't remember ever have seen Ani. Abby popped up in the tavern a while ago..
 
9:25 AM
xkcd is so awesome. You guys maybe tend to forget bash.org. See bash.org/?835030 :P
 
@Sam Yes, that's true. Especially indentation, because that's very important in Python.
 
bash.org is amazing
 
@rene I see
 
Sam
@ProgramFOX So I've heard. I guess you can't have any wild white spacing then?
 
@Sam No, you cannot. If you have some incorrect indentation, it gives an error.
 
9:30 AM
The power of python. Now that I think about it, it might be considered a feature to write readable code
 
Sam
Hmm, in that case, I think I'll just stick with C#/C++ for now. I've always prefered lower level languages anyway.
 
But then there's assembly... :P
 
I also prefer C#, but there is no SE chat library in C# and ChatExchange is a great module, so I won't reinvent the wheel.
 
Oh I C!
8
 
Sam
lol
 
9:33 AM
Be right back, get noms
 
@ProgramFOX I started a few weeks ago in C# but then I ran into trouble authenticating with Chat and I didn't bother checking whether it was doable.
 
Sam
Cya
 
@Unihedron See you!
@Stijn Yea, authentication looks the most difficult part.
 
Has anyone bought oneplus.net ?
 
Sam
"Only from £229..."
 
9:41 AM
@Sam check the specs, too good
 
Sam
Ah I see, just checking...
It has nice covers too :D Still, it's a bit out of my budget, I'd rather save that amount for a new lappy.
 
Well same here, I mean I already have a functional phone that can execute apps etc...
What kind of laptop do you have now?
I upgraded mine (4gb ram -> 8gb and added an SSD drive by removing cd/dvd bay)
 
Sam
It's from a UK based company, Stone. The basic specs: intel pentium, 3 gb ram, 330 hdd gb, usb 2.0 x 3.
 
Oh I see...
 
Sam
I've had it for 3 years, so far.
 
9:51 AM
Indeed, it's time to save for a new laptop...
I think a developer should have at least a quadcore cpu or i5
RAM is very crucial, min 4gb. 8 gb would be nice
 
Sam
Agreed.
 
4 is not enough, I'm currently using 6 with ~30 browser tabs, two Visual Studio instances, Skype, source control tool and Notepad++
add a VM for old IE testing and I need even more
 
Sam
Something like that would probably cost about £400-£500.
 
@Stijn haha true
16 would be ideal O_O
 
Sam
Why not 64gb with i7 x 3?
 
9:57 AM
@Sam Laptop is going to overheaaaat...
 
@Sam non-computer people decide on the budget. I arrived on this project about 1,5 years ago and shortly before that all programmers were on terminals. They told me compiling was a lot of fun.
 
lol
 
Sam
@HamZa Ture, forgot about.
 
Fun fact: the license plate of Marge is the hex value for "Simpsons yellow".
 
Might be too late to ask, but do you prefer buying prebuilts or building your own computers?
 
10:09 AM
@Unihedron I do not really have a preference. Whatever is cheaper I guess
 
Sam
I personally like custom; but I don't have the xp, time, or money to do so.
 
@Stijn In almost half of the projects my first action was to order new hardware for the devs...
 
@rene got the moves power to do that
 
It somehow takes someone fresh to get that message across
 
Sam
10:51 AM
Anyone seen this chart before?
 
Whoa, that's a large chart.
 
Sam
Very informative though.
 
omg.
 
I'm going to transfer to a train now...I'll be back in 45 minutes...
 
See you!
 
Sam
11:00 AM
See you later!
 
Seeya!
 
Sam
Brb.
 
kks
 
See you!
 
Yeah!
managed to transit from home to train within 10 minutes...
 
11:11 AM
Oh yeah! Score!!
 
Hey guys, sorry for getting in the middle. But if any of you are geeks who are really interested in science as a whole, check out this new Area51 proposal Scientific Imagination, and how it is supposed to be like.
 
I prefer chemistry... sorry.
But it looks very interesting though! Good job!
(slowclap)
 
11:29 AM
@Krumia spammerrrr!
 
@HamZa At least he's not spamming something outside SE :P
 
I personally don't mind, I was just joking. As long as s?he doesn't spam a room too much ofc
 
True as well. But most of the times it is hard to bring attention to something without spamming links to it.
 
@HamZa: Actually I posted because there was no technical discussion was going. And the room itself looked a relaxed place. Apologies if my post was inappropriate.
 
@Krumia He was just joking :P
You posted in a few rooms he's in as well I believe
 
11:34 AM
@Krumia no, I noticed you because you also posted it in the php room :)
 
@Unihedron: Yes I did. Guilty as charged. :D
 
!!cupcake
 
~ Don't hammer me...
 
Hmm...
!!cupcake
!!milk
 
!!wow
 
11:35 AM
~ What are you talking about?
~ Stars get removed under peer-pressure?
~ new cupcakes can be ordered in 6 to 8 minutes...
 
 
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12:52 PM
At location and in a meeting...
 
 
1 hour later…
2:17 PM
I've been spending time in the ASP.NET MVC source today and yesterday. Pretty confusing at first, they make a lot of use of delegates and deep method chains. I'd almost call it bad code even, but I suppose the team knows what it's doing.
@Unihedron I don't think my boss notices or minds that I'm on the chat here, but the gif of the cat drinking milk straight from a cow sure isn't helping... :)
 
True that.
 
"Inspect Element" -> "Delete Node" :D
 
2 messages moved to Sandbox
 
 
1 hour later…
3:21 PM
@Unihedron I have edited that question, does it suit now?
 
~ Not everything is star-worthy...
 
sigh
!!silence
!!coffee
Would it still say something if I star something?
No, it doesn't.
(sorry @Unihedron, but it was complaining too much about the stars IMHO)
 
xD
Ping me again if anyone needs the bot back on, I'm looking at code atm.
 
4:18 PM
If you don't want it to respond to stars just comment the line states.push(new StarResponse());
@ProgramFOX it does write out responses to the console...
 
@rene Yea, I know, I saw that in the source, but then it does not fill up the room with complaints anymore ;)
 
Correct
 
 
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7:07 PM
Leave now bye, have a good day everyone!
 

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