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5:32 AM
Why oh why do I keep getting Tumbleweeds? I have a good question, reasonably well-written, but no real answers.
It's not like I ask very many questions - research+experimentation answers most of my questions
 
 
3 hours later…
8:44 AM
any mods about?
 
Sam
9:06 AM
Morning ppls.
 
 
2 hours later…
11:08 AM
@anaximander No, but anything we can help with?
 
 
2 hours later…
1:06 PM
@rene It's fine; I ended up posting to meta
 
Sam
@anaximander And did it get DV'ed to oblivion?
 
made the Hot Meta Questions sidebar
 
Sam
Nice.
 
at least for a few minutes
at any rate, I'm good
 
Sam
So which post was it?
 
1:09 PM
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Q: Improving an accepted but wrong answer

anaximanderI recently posted an answer to this question, and was dismayed to see that the asker accepted an answer that was (in my opinion) plain wrong. Briefly put, the question was asking whether SQL Server needed to be installed if an application was written to use it, and the accepted answer started wit...

tl;dr: other poster posts wrong answer, is accepted, copy-pastes my answer into his
 
Sam
Oh ok. Yeah I remember seeing that.
 
You did? Cool. Nice to know that The System Works™
;)
 
Sam
Lol, indeed. Well, you've got 8 UV's. 2 more than me ;)
 
hey, I saw that one
 
Sam
I was going to add this, but I think that would be a bit OTT...
 
1:18 PM
haha
I have to admit, the Yoda question was the highlight of my morning
not least because the rest of my morning was a fustercluck of technical debt
I started at a new company six weeks ago, just as a bunch of temp contractors quit
apparently, none of them had heard of source control, for starters...
 
Sam
Lol, lots of tidying up to do I guess.
So, d'you use Git?
 
1:41 PM
we do now
well
TFS in Git mode
but since I started I've basically convinced them to use SourceTree because a) Microsoft's Git implementation under TFS isn't finished and requires some annoying workarounds, and b) people were doing it so wrong that I liked the idea of SourceTree's magical one-click git-flow button to make it idiot-proof
 
Sam
Why not simply use Git's desktop app?
Goodness it's getting hot here, 29.3 degrees (Celsius, in the shade) atm...
 
Trust me, for these guys, the simpler the better
SourceTree has a button that automates git-flow actions like feature branches and stuff
so it makes it easier for them to use and keeps the repo tidy
there are a couple of projects where I honestly don't know what the latest version of the code looks like
 
Sam
It's that bad? O.o
 
there are branches with more recent commits that were branched from master aaaages back and haven't been merged in either direction since, and there are branches that were merged but not closed, some of which were then worked on again...
there are commits tagged as "release vX.Y.Z" but when you checkout that commit, it doesn't compile...
there's even a project where you have to check out two repositories and put them in folders with specific names because the application actually spreads source files across both repos
 
Sam
Have you considered just using the single master branch instead?
 
1:54 PM
um...
 
Sam
Or rather telling them to do that...
 
what, everyone on one branch?
 
Sam
Yeah.
 
the problem with that is that some people can - and often do - go entire weeks without committing
so then multiple days of work drops in one commit
usually Friday afternoon, for obvious reasons
so then you've got monster merge conflicts
the record so far is 623 files added in one commit
 
Sam
Lol, wow.
 
1:57 PM
direct to master branch
that was four and a half days of work
took me hours to sort that merge because they guy who made that commit didn't bother pulling first
 
Sam
Then tell them to commit at the end of each day. Or would that not work?
 
we have
repeatedly
 
Sam
Write a script to do it for them ;D
 
we had a meeting a month ago where the lead dev stood in front of them and told them they should be committing multiple times per day, not once a week
 
Sam
And nothing changed?
 
1:59 PM
not really, no
 
Sam
Did you say these were temp contract devs?
 
temp contractors; they see no reason to change how they work to match our practices when a few months from now they'll be at a different company with different practices
yeah
on the bright side, the company is phasing out all the temps and replacing them with permanent contract devs like me
I was the first; a good friend of mine started the same day as me, there's been a couple more since
and all the permanent devs are on board with the "doing things properly" concept, so in a month or two when all the temps are gone it'll get better
 
Sam
Good good. So what sort of stuff do you actually write?
 
Mostly mobile/web stuff
internal use
we have a load of venues around the country, and the staff there use iPods and iPhones, usually with the cases that have the integrated card readers and barcode scanners
so we write the apps that let them use those for customer transaction processing, stock take, and a load of stuff like that
 
Sam
Sounds like a big company. So nothing too exciting ;)
 
2:07 PM
usually a fairly thin mobile app written in C# using the Xamarin stuff to deploy to iOS, and then all the heavy lifting is done by server-side stuff using ASP.NET MVC and WebAPI
with the usual SQL databases behind that
 
Sam
So it's practically all C# then?
 
basically all C#
a little Javascript for the web stuff
occasionally some SQL when you find something the ORMs can't handle
keeping it all in one language means that the whole dev team has a common skillset, which means any dev can be assigned to any project
keeps it flexible
also there's a few desktop apps, mostly in the form of tools for second-line support
those tend to be WPF, so more C#
how about you? What's your area?
 
Sam
Well I'm still learning C# atm, I've got a couple years xp, but still. I mainly write open source stuff in C# too. Normally WPF, sometimes WinForms though.
Atm, I'm working on a music enhancement desktop app.
DSP has to be my fav field.
 
cool
 
Sam
Technically you could class me as a student, but I'm not actually in collage or uni.
 
2:14 PM
C# is definitely my favourite language to work it at the moment
I only recently left uni
 
Sam
Congrats, d'you get a degree in CS?
 
I started this job just under two months ago; my first day was less than a week after my last exam
 
Sam
Double congrats. Most ppl over here don't get work that fast ;)
Normally they're "over qualified", so I'm aiming for just an apprenticeship.
My post is now the top result for "they lied about the cookies". lol
That just reminds me of this post.
 
yeah, I was doing a degree titled Computer Systems Engineering
so not CompSci
but close; a little less theory, a little more applied stuff
for example I had a module where we did PowerShell scripting, IIS configuration and mixed-OS network management
 
Sam
Sounds interesting.
 
2:23 PM
what landed me this job was the internship year though; I took a year in industry between second and third year of the course
building software for medical records storage, analysis and reporting, again in C#
the experience and skills I got from that looked good enough on my profile that the place I'm working now contacted me directly
actually through StackOverflow Careers
interview went well, they called me back to offer me the job about an hour later
 
Sam
Ah, so SOC actually works. Good to know.
 
so I actually had a job before I sat finals :P
 
Sam
Cool, I assume that's all in the US though?
 
Sam
Ah, same here. Just ~30 miles from London, unfortunately. Did you have any coding xp before going to uni, or did you kinda "learn from scratch"?
 
2:35 PM
I had zero experience; I'd been intending to go into aerospace engineering for years, but I got partway through the course and discovered I was terrible at structural mechanics
along the way I'd discovered I was good with computers, so I switched
so I didn't even do GCSE IT
I started my degree with a semester of basic MATLAB tuition, and about six or seven hours of looking at C++ in my spare time
the course taught me C++, I learned C# with a society for an XNA games programming competition, and it all went from there
 
Sam
Really? Sounds like it was all smooth sailing.
 
once I'd changed courses, it was
was pretty hectic making the switch though
 
Sam
Personally, I thought It wasn't even possible.
 
new city, new uni, new subject area
 
Sam
Oh, I thought it was the same uni. That makes sense.
 
2:45 PM
from the day I got my results for the second year of the aero course to the day I moved into halls for the computing course, it was nine days
I basically went through clearing, but waaay later than usual
because I had to wait for my results letter
so I got the application in two days before UCAS went offline for the year
 
Sam
Cutting it a bit fine there :O
 
yeah
and then I phoned the halls on the Thursday, got the application for that night and emailed it back the next day (Friday), and moved in on the Saturday
they hadn't actually processed it yet, so I just stood in the lobby and watched as they finished my paperwork
 
Sam
I bet you were living on coffee then ;)
 
so I moved in on the Saturday, spent Sunday unpacking, and Monday was the first day of Freshers' Week
"cutting it fine" doesn't begin to cover it ;)
 
Sam
I still can't believe how fast that all happened.
And how well it all turned out.
 
2:53 PM
same here, to be honest
some of the scariest and most stressful few days I've had
didn't really have time to mull the decision over and ponder whether it was the right thing
very much a gut feeling and a snap decision
 
Sam
So, have got any plans for the future? Or are you still recovering? ;)
 
kinda
I've landed a job, and the team is changing over here so in two months I've had way more say in process changes than you'd expect because there's basically just two of us left who have the level of tech knowledge to make certain calls, and we agree with each other
 
Sam
A team leader sort-of role then?
 
so when I told myself a few months back that within two years I wanted to have enough seniority to dictate my own workflow... yeah, at this rate that'll happen inside six months
well... I enjoy actually writing code way too much to get a job where I manage people
I'm quite happy to be told "go build a Thing", as long as I can decide how to build the Thing
someone else can decide what the Thing is, that's fine, but I like having control over my workflow
 
Sam
Managing code does seem easier than managing people. (I'm studying business atm, so I've got a rough idea.)
 
2:59 PM
so the source control stuff we're doing at the moment, the doc I wrote yesterday specifying what we use version numbers for (because they were wildly inconsistent before), that sort of stuff
beyond that... no plans, really, besides getting better at what I do so that I can be paid more for doing it
 
Sam
Sounds good. At least you've got goals.
 
my girlfriend and I are moving from a smallish flat to a slightly larger house in a couple of weeks, so I need to work on the finances :P
with a little luck there's going to be a wedding to pay for within the next year or two
 
Sam
Congrats ;D
 
thanks
...ah
 
Sam
Just remember, "We work to live, not live to work." ;)
 
3:02 PM
why do the support tickets always pop up in my last hour?!
right, I gotta go squash this bug
 
Sam
Lol, ok cya soon.
 
who files a ticket at 4pm on a Friday?
ugh
laters
 
 
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Sam
6:59 PM
And the weather forecast for today was wrong, suprise suprise. "32 degrees with some showers"; but actually it hit 35 with no clouds in sight.
 
 
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Sam
8:28 PM
Now it decides to tip down, you've gotta love that British weather.
 

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