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user1385191
8:56 PM
it's nice that they changed the nomination rules from last year
 
user1385191
last year was basically "you don't have 20k+ rep, get out"
 
user1385191
and people just voted for the users with highest rep anyways
 
Hi all
 
hey
room topic changed to 2012 Stack Overflow Elections: discussion about stackoverflow.com/election (no tags)
What does everyone think of the new Moderator Nomination rules?
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9:12 PM
@MattMcDonald There were two rules last year: minimum rep of 3000 and minimum rep no lower than the rep of the nominee with the 30th-highest rep. So once you see some high-rep users throwing their hats in the ring, it may be "you don't have 20k+ rep, get out" again.
 
user1385191
it's sad because there's some really good people here that don't have tons of rep
 
According to a SEDE query, the person with the lowest rep (out of everyone who has the required badges) has only 889 rep. (And she even has Fanatic!)
 
I think the rules are fine... though not sure about the meta and the yearling parts - these two seem to filter out a lot of people.
 
user1385191
I think getting the 40 flags would be the toughest part
 
user1385191
I think I've only got 4
 
9:15 PM
Well the meta I can understand because it can have something to do with moderation
but the Yearling one is the one that confuses me....
 
Pundit is the one that confused me, but they got rid of it
 
@Yahia Just so everyone can look it up (and experiment, if necessary), I made a query: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/s/2041/…
 
Meta participation is important for a moderator, since that's where site policy is discussed and made.
On the other hand I don't like the yearling requirement very much
 
@Neal I think it's still 2011
 
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Q: Should Moderator Election rules be changed?

A Man A Plan A Canal PanamaIf I have ALL of the required badges to be a moderator, save Yearling. Why should that one badge disqualify anyone? Some people have been active users for almost a year. I see no reason why not having one of the six badges (especially one that has nothing to do with the quality of their work) ...

Did not get a good reception on Meta
room topic changed to 2011 Stack Overflow Elections: discussion about stackoverflow.com/election (no tags)
@MichaelMrozek :-P done
 
9:17 PM
It's not as if other elections, like the US Presidential, even has minimum age requirements of 30 or older where Yearling is akin to
 
@random I was waiting for an opening to use that exact example
 
@random yes, true. but... (insert but statement here)
 
But dammit, you've only been here 10 months! Diamond want now!
 
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@random haha yes, 10 months, but quite active ^_^
 
9:20 PM
Yearling says you've put in the hard yards time-wise, the badges, activity-wise
 
10 months is probably enough time to understand SO well enough to be a mod, but Yearling is a convenient line they can draw to say "here. You need to be this experienced, exactly"
 
I think to show dedication and experience there are several rules possible... like making it (Yearling OR rep > 10k OR Fanatic) - all show dedication and experience IMHO
 
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@MichaelMrozek yes, but I stated in my nomination that by the time I am elected I will have the Yearling badge. (beginning of January), so why should i be rejected then?
@Yahia Agreed...
 
@random We have a minimum age of 40 in Germany for the federal president (who doesn't have to say much anyway, and where often old politicians at the end of their career are elected). I think it's the only office which needs more than 18, though.
 
@Neal I'm not sure what you mean, since the elections end on the 22nd, but in any case they drew the line at "you need to have been here a year before you can nominate". As I said, I'm sure 10 months and 12 months don't make a big difference, but making exceptions when it comes to stuff like elections is going to cause problems
 
9:24 PM
@Neal I think the elected moderators will take office quite soon after the election ends, which is the 22nd of november.
 
If they change it to "you need to have been here 10 months" so you can nominate, somebody that's been here 9 months will point out how close they are
 
@MichaelMrozek ha, very true ^_^. but I like @Yahia's idea of rep > X amount OR Yearling
@MichaelMrozek also if they held elections the same time this year as last year it would be in January, and I would be one of the many many Yearlings
 
I agree regarding "making exceptions will cause problems with things like elections"... so IF the rules are non-changeable for this election then what about the next elections ? surely it is possible to discuss/change those as shown by the fact that the rules this time differ from the rules the time before...
 
@Neal And if Regan could have served another term i'm sure he would have. Sometimes the rules seem harsh when you're the one wanting them to be broken... but in the long run they have been set for a reason.
yes I used a presidential comparison
 
@Yahia They might still change for this one, they already pulled the Pundit requirement. But definitely you could suggest things for next time. Probably meta would be better, once you come up with something good
 
9:36 PM
@MichaelMrozek lol i did, only to get shot down :-P
 
and try not to get 16 downvotes when you do post.
you sounded like a raging lunatic the first revision
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@rlemon I was trying to think of a nicer way to say that :). But yes, it sounded like you were saying "I want to be a mod, so eliminate the requirements that prevent me from running"
 
it's like me when the phone company pisses me off.
 
@rlemon :-P but it has been fixed since, but there is still people dving it :-P (and not removing their downvotes lol)
@rlemon better to be pissed off than pissed on ^_^
 
i've learned, don't call them raging and bitching and complaining... calm down, and be polite. usually gets you a lot further
 
9:38 PM
You got more upvotes than I expected, you practically broke even rep-wise
 
@Neal I did up-vote you (granted i only saw the question after it had been revised)
I don't feel strongly either way... but you go ahead and fight the system.
 
@MichaelMrozek I know, because I also got alot of rep from an answer earlier today lol
 
How in the world did waxeagle get 15 upvotes for "My guess is that they want people who have been active on SO for at least a year"...
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@MichaelMrozek lol no fracking idea. but it is 150 rep in his pocket.
WOOT!
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A: Should Moderator Election rules be changed?

Grace NoteAfter some review, we have decided to revoke the requirement for the Yearling badge (much like we did with Pundit).

 
9:42 PM
ughh now I have to type up my whole thing again?
lol
 
@Neal You might be able to just request an undeletion. I don't think they actually zap them off.
 
@JeffMercado nope it was still there ^_^ ddnt need to retype
 
@Neal Yeah I just noticed it appeared again. :) Though Rebecca's comment will have to disappear.
 
Are current mods up for re-election here too?
 
@awoodland No, mods don't have terms
 
9:44 PM
No.
 
Hmmmm I cannot comment on my nomination
 
I said the same thing as Michael Mrozek, but my name is blue so you must listen to me.
 
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Q: Should Community Moderators be "elected for life", or have terms?

Jeff AtwoodWhile I applaud the excellent work of all our community moderators, the question has come up: How long will be the elected moderator’s “mandate”? Is it for life, or are we going to have “moderator elections” regularly? Of course, any community moderator who wishes to recuse him or herself c...

 
@JeffMercado Also I cannot comment.
 
@MichaelMyers You have a default gravatar; people ignore you automatically
 
9:45 PM
But... blue... my name is blue...
 
Oh man how could I miss this room?
Hello everyone.
 
@Neal Hmmm I can't either. I guess it wasn't completely unwithdrawn.
 
@JeffMercado should I ask on meta....?
 
@Neal Maybe comment on GN's answer on the update to the rules.
 
@JeffMercado I just did.
 
9:46 PM
@MichaelMyers Oh wow. You are blue-ish already. :)
 
Already?
 
lol I should go to bed.
 
Already a mod, and the nominations just started? Sounds like election fraud to me
Now we're in trouble
 
Michael Mrozek and Michael Myers looked the same for me. A sign of how tired I am.
 
Hey folks!
 
9:48 PM
Sucks to be you guys
 
@Shog9 :-P
 
:)
hides behind a rock
 
@OctavianDamiean Maybe I should edit my chat.SO profile like on chat.SE.
 
@OctavianDamiean You all look the same to me
 
9:55 PM
Hey look, it's Pops
Stop chatting and get with the self-nominating, @Pop
 
Rrrrg. can;t make any comment on my nomination.
 
@Neal Well, you don't need to comment on your own, you can edit it
 
@MichaelMrozek true, but others cannot comment either.
@JeffMercado i dont understand ur edit...
 
@Neal Somebody filed a bug apparently
 
@Shog9 Who in the great unicorn sanctuary is Pops?
 
9:58 PM
@MichaelMrozek i see ^_^
 
@LordTorgamus A mysterious character who roams the countryside posting insightful answers on Meta.
 
Oh, I just realized who asked that. Explanation revoked
 
Oh! Nice. :)
 
@MichaelMrozek ?
 
Now that everyone is good and confused
 
10:00 PM
:1821162 Thank you, Mrozek
 
@MichaelMrozek lol just a lil bit ^_^
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A: Comment-link not appearing for some of the election nominations

Grace NoteThis is a bug related to the fact that if a user withdraws but then... un-withdraws? Double withdraws by withdrawing the withdrawal? Draws? Whatever it is, it causes an issue in which the post cannot be commented on. This is now fixed.

w00t comments working ^_^
 
This election is crap if I can't vote Rook. For Evil
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@Neal If you're referring to your meta question, it was specifically talking about the Yearling badge and the answers addressed the badge. I wasn't sure if you wanted it keep that more general but it was clearer to me with that title. I just tweaked the body to fit that.
But you rolled back and that's fine.
 
@JeffMercado rolled back just to keep it neutral to any badge missing just in case
 
@Neal I was initially planning on just changing the title to: "Should the Moderator Election rules be relaxed?"
As it is now, it kinda sounded like it wants to make big changes.
I guess this is a little less dramatic?
 
10:11 PM
@JeffMercado hmmmmm mayyybe, idk, it can be construed many diff ways. especially since i got over 20 downvotes lol
 
@JeffMercado And what'd you give up on?
Deputy, e.g. - if you haven't been moderating so far as a user, why'd you start moderating as a mod.
 
@badp I was going to just change the title to that, ended up doing a more focused title and accommodating edits to the body.
 
As for Convention, well, meta is an integral part of being a mod. It's where all the policies you'll enforce are decided in. It's so important that whenever somebody posts on meta on a non-trilogy site, we get an inbox notification.
I don't know how only seven hundred or so people have Convention though, but again, meta is murder, and moderation involves lots of arsonery.
Now, did I have all of the six badges when I got elected mod on Gaming? No, I didn't have Deputy. But this was months ago when we barely had two or three deputies on the site and on a site that gets much less activity. Still you may want to take my words with a grain of salt. :P
 
@badp Right. A SO mod who ignores MSO is dropping the ball.
 
That said - if you're that desperate, you have a few days to participate in meta and do what it takes to get over the bar.
 
10:25 PM
Two nominees have earned Convention since the election started.
 
If I cared, I'd be a mere ~15 valid flags away from being eligible. Easily done with some /review trolling. And I haven't touched SO in ages.
 
One nominee earned Deputy an hour ago.
 
Oh, Yearling's been removed too? How large is the nomination pool now?
 
@badp It only went up like 30
 
Figured. Removing Pundit increased the pool by roughly that much.
105 → 141 → 170?
The idea, anyway, is that a candidate moderator should pass those checks with flying colors, and not just barely. :P
After all, only 4 people can be elected.
 
10:34 PM
nods
 
user1228
Too bad you can't nominate other people. I'd nominate Lance in a heartbeat. Now, pardon me while I run for my life.
 
11:39 PM
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Q: November 2011 Community Moderator Election

Shog9The November 2011 Community Moderator Election is now underway! Did you know Community Moderator Election is an anagram for "Mom electrocuted a mint iron, yo"? Me neither! Community moderator elections have three phases: Nomination phase Primary phase Election phase Elections generally last...

 

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