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12:31 AM
I believe it's a huge difference between moderating a small community and being a Janitor on SO called "Moderator".
 
12:56 AM
I well imagine so...
 
1:54 AM
here's a good question for mod debate: stackoverflow.com/questions/21923637/…
does the guy openly saying he's not paying for an iOS developer fee mean the question should be flagged?
 
I'm not into mobile phones, what exactly is the problem?
 
@MagicMan: I'm not that familiar with iOS, so I'm not sure whether it's in fact possible (legally or illegally) to test applications without paying to get a provisioning code.
 
he's basically asking for help circumventing the apple dev license
 
@MagicMan: not unless Apple issues a DCMA takedown request to Stack Exchange, which then isn't my problem.
 
hah, fair enough
 
1:59 AM
Of course, the question could still be closed.
@MagicMan: even then, it seems to be a duplicate, correct me if I'm wrong. Also, the two answers so far don't quite answer the question, going to write a comment.
 
yeah it's probably a duplicate, certificates have changed some with most releases though
 
@Qantas94Heavy, sorry to change the subject, but I just read your profile, and I was wondering, how can you love learning and hate school? :)
 
@davidsbro: quite easily. Learning is not the same as schooling. Hell, if I only did what I was taught at school I wouldn't be here.
 
So you don't like being taught but instead learning? Mainly on your own I guess? I know what you mean about not being here.
 
@davidsbro: no, I don't mind being taught. That'd be good. The thing is, they don't teach.
 
2:19 AM
Yeah, I know what you mean. Good luck with the election!
 
hilarious
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Q: How do I introduce my 9 YO brother to programming?

Jim Noble(My apologies if this is the wrong SE site for this, it seems like it should belong to another but I can't find one. Give me a suggestion, please, and I will move it.) I built a PC with/for my nine year old brother a few months back. He loves it (Steam games especially), it runs great. I think ...

 
How does that question have 3 upvotes??
 
3:01 AM
@davidsbro "+1 because you're a good brother. "
:|
 
 
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5:12 AM
It's actually really amazing the way the rankings have stabilized
I've been 70 points behind Siddharth Rout for days, with only about a +/-10 vote fluctuation
 
I suspect this hints at a lack of widespread strategic voting
 
5:36 AM
hello friends is there any wordpress developer?
 
 
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10:39 AM
Hi All
 
10:50 AM
Hi @AlbinJoseph
 
11:27 AM
Hi @slugster
 
Hello @Qantas94Heavy
 
@AlbinJoseph: anything up?
 
12:25 PM
@Shog9 Definitely. I think the primaries should remain "open" in that status should be available somewhere. but I think showing the current counts right next to the vote buttons before they are pushed does everyone a bit of a disservice. They should be made to review that data separately and come to the actual poll with their minds made up (however they made that decision) and place their vote semi-independently.
 
 
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2:07 PM
hi all
 
@JonClements hi
 
2:46 PM
One Question Guys
And Sorry in advance for such silly question
Any way my question is: Are Moderator Get Paid For their Duty?
-Thanks
 
@Aღmirkhan no, it is voluntary
 
 
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5:00 PM
If they were, having 13 year old mods would be a much bigger problem. Child labor laws don't apply to unpaid work.
(or maybe they do; I'm not Stackexchange's lawyer)
 
5:58 PM
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A: Do moderators earn a salary?

PearsonArtPhotoThe benefits of being a moderator: A huge say in the direction of a site. Access to the site views. The ability to choose an organization of a list of a few to receive $100 once a year from Stack Exchange. More direct access to the Stack Exchange employees. That warm fuzzy feeling of making a d...

 
6:35 PM
From the mod agreement:
>I acknowledge and agree that I am an independent volunteer moderator to Stack Overflow and I am not an employee, agent or representative
That seems to be a good way to get around child labor laws, etc. But, I'm not sure how binding it is if the user is a minor. Is a minor clicking an agree button enforceable?
 
For 13 and above, yes
Last I checked, we can be paid too with parental consent
At least for internships and stuff
 
Probably depends on local laws, but I think you're right for the US.
 
In India, nobody cares
I'm talking about USA only
I found an excellent way to not bother dealing with all of it though
 
The US I know 14 can be paid for that kind of stuff, just not anything remotely dangerous.
 
I opened a company, and cahrge through that
 
6:39 PM
Yea, you can't even be a fry cook until 15-16 here, I believe.
 
I may be wrong but I have not den any plan by the new moderator candidates to reduce the 120K close votes. Is there any?
read it seen
 
The only meaningful way a moderator could reduce it (as far as I can tell), would be to spend all of their time going through the queue rather than moderating other things.
 
hehe....that is a user job. I mean "plan" to reduce it by changing some policy, rule, implementing a task force , by doing something different than what is done right now. the actual level of closing votes is huge and keeps incrementing
 
6:56 PM
The close questions queue might almost benifit from just removing how many there are in the queue...
Maybe just replace it with if it's going up or down that day...
 
@FeliceM Right, but I think that is more of a job for staff. Moderators can suggest changes on meta like anyone, else, but I don't think they can implement them. Well, besides some kind of task force or posse, but there's already one of those that meets up weekly (I'm pretty sure they're still doing it, at least).
 
@Geobits you are right and I agree with you but being a moderator for me means to "lead" because he has received the trust by voters. In other words, if I give a vote to someone in an election is because I trust he is going to do and act. Now, beside other problems and needs of SO, I think that a queue of 120K is too big and there is something to do there.
May be simply to lower the level to 2900 Rep for giving access to other 1000 reviewer for some time. It is not my case, I am far below that..
 
Oh, I agree about trust and leadership. I'm just not sure what can be done about the CV queue in particular that hasn't already been discussed to death on meta. I'm not saying to just forget about it, but there are already a ton of proposals, each with good and bad possible effects.
 
got it.
 
7:14 PM
There's tons of ideas out there on what to do about the closed question queue. A lot of them would actually work, and I've seen at least 1 of them be done.
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A: Close Votes review: I'm going on a strike!

PearsonArtPhotoThis is largely a copy of a previous answer of mine, with updating it for the current situation, and with recent experience. Let's take a look at the problem. As of today, this queue is up to 95.8k questions in the queue. Assuming each has 1 closed vote, that means that a total of 380K actions a...

The best thing I can think of to help is to automatically set up the review filter, it's much more pleasant for me to review Android questions than Ruby or C#, for instance.
 
That suggestion I can agree with for sure. Either strictly using favorite/ignored tags, or something more complicated like the 'interesting' tab does. It was not my first or second trip to the queue when I noticed the filter button.
 
I was so close to a friendly "critisism" for not making a push-countdown for the final election. You are always so cool. But now I see, at least we have 42 min to go etc if you update the page :-)
 
7:30 PM
@PearsonArtPhoto "A: Close Votes review: I'm going on a strike!" nice post.
 
And I have suggested the only way you could get rid of the hump -> meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/218265/… But appearently the paid moderators is happy with a 120k hump. Not to encourage people == nothing happends.
 
There's at least 3 good Meta questions on the closed vote queue.
I was going to start one one day when I realized there were others out there...
Unless I suddenly get, what, around 1 vote per second, I'm out of the race.
And I'm perfectly fine with that, truth be told.
 
@PearsonArtPhoto ok, you just got the first of the last second :-)
 
It was not the point that you should downvote
Just pointing to a solid, good solution that could minimize the closevote-hump.
 
7:43 PM
@davidkonrad actually I lost that post you're referring. I see you gained a lot of disapproval there! I thing the used reading key was wrong.
@davidkonrad you should have built up the question about reducing CV not about making a new badge
but.....I do not see involvement of proposed moderators in this discussion and few of them appear in the room
 
It is the lemming effect on meta, when one downvotes, everybody does, follow blindly - and vice versa, if one "guru" votes up... On meta, people seems to be under some kind of psychologically pressure, no one wants to stickt out
 
correction.....Pearson.. is in the list
 
and stickt = stick
 
it is called follower syndrome. can be treated.
 
You are maybe right, regarding not suggestiong a new badge as the headline
 
7:50 PM
well, if I read your post out of the context we are discussing it appears like proposing a new badge not like promoting a reward for CV review
 
Don't feel bad, [badge-request] posts get downvoted a lot : meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/…
 
hehe......I wil post one to reduce the badges....lets see the effect
 
One of my early meta posts was one, and it didn't fare better. Didn't hit -18, but I think that's only because it was a slow day.
 
In danish we have the "lemming effect", after af famous Disney nature movie from the 60'ties, where we see lemmings go into the death following each others. It is very untrue (working at the zoological museum) but it has become an idiom. And the reaction from many of the meta-gang-members leads the minds to such lemming-effect.
 
lets se what I will collect
 
8:03 PM
Good luck to everyone still in the race for moderator. Perhaps another time for myself...
 
+1, vote for Kevin
It is not the badges, FeliceM
It is the encouragement
 
It's more the discouragement...
 
I am testing the reaction. Looks like the word "badge" create disappointment
I am going the opposite direction of your post but still people do not like it. So what?
 
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OK. Kevin did not live to the last, but he was in my opinion the best candidate.
 
8:11 PM
nice! very true
Ok guys, I got your point about the CV queue. Does not matter how you approach it. You get disagreement. Interesting.
 
I'm surprised Undo made it to the top 10.
 
@FeliceM, give it up. They have agreed to themselves that nothing should be altered in the close-voting-system, even if there is 120k close votes remaining. I have got my gold badge reviewing 1000 closevotes. But what should encouriage me to continue? The love of the extremely offensive people at meta? LOL. Maybe when their hump reach 500.000 they may reconsider, dont no.
But I am out. They could at leat have included me as a part of SO, not giving me 20 downvotes in 5 minutes. Not it is about 16, as I recall, some nice people have voted up - but this is not to go if you want an active community. This is religion, or extreme rigid behaviour.
 
Would be interesting to see in semi-realtime the total number of votes cast, not per candidate but overall
 
8:26 PM
@meagar you can kinda tell by watching the constituent badge be awarded
 
Ha, true
 
did the list of possible candidates shrink after the primary votes? (my first SO election)
 
@loostro Yes, the top 10 from the primary advance to the main phase(now).
 
@davidkonrad I don't agree with that assessment at all. I have not once voted on meta a particular way because a bunch of votes were placed in that direction already. Usually if 20 people down-vote a suggestion, it's because they all disagree with it, not because that's how Tommy voted.
 
ahh i see, my candidate didnt make it :) i guess i need to find another one :P
 
8:40 PM
i need a primer on down-voting
 
~~~Shog's Downvoting Primer~~~
- If it sucks, downvote it
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@MagicMan you mean outside of this and this?
There's not a whole lot of magic involved. Shog's advice is pretty complete.
 
eh, i generally err on the side of "im not sure" a lot when i see something that appears to be a bad question
 
On meta, of course, down-voting doesn't always mean it sucks. It could also just mean you don't think the feature request is a good idea.
@MagicMan okay. Nobody expects you to vote on every single question you look at.
 
most of the mod candidates have a lot of down-votes on SO
 
8:44 PM
@MagicMan that's good. There's a lot of crap on SO that should be down-voted. If any of them had low/0 down-votes I'd be very suspicious about why.
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i'm at 1k+ upvotes, and like 30ish downvotes,
 
@MagicMan I'm 2,500 up, 5,000 down.
On meta, I'm about even.
(1,258 up, 1,231 down)
 
^exactly lol, i have trolled a lot of tags to find hot button type topics
 
@MagicMan you seek out hot button topics and have only ever down-voted 30 times???
 
i usually sort by votes lol
so i never make it to the bad ones before i run out votes for the day
 
8:47 PM
@MagicMan Downvotes are every bit as important as upvotes
 
Down-voting is important, you should switch it up sometimes.
 
They're the primary means of sorting accurate content from inaccurate content
(as opposed to sorting high- from low-quality content)
We try our best to deal with objective questions, and that generally means that an answer can be objectively wrong
It's important to the site that you downvote content which you think is wrong
 
Yeah, agreed. And unfortunately wrong answers aren't down-voted enough (people think it is too expensive to give up 1 imaginary internet point to tell the rest of the community this answer is wrong)
 
yeah i follow the logic; i'll try to spend more time poking around for incorrect/bad stuff
 
Eh, I wouldn't go hunting for it
Just feel completely free to use both kinds of votes
 
8:50 PM
hah, i've also had a habit of going through high rep users answers....which generally help me learn alot, so i upvote them
 
Questions don't need as much attention - down-votes on questions are free, and bad questions get plenty of down-votes. Perhaps good questions don't get enough up-votes, but in all honesty the biggest problem on SO (at least wrt voting) is the reluctance to down-vote bad answers.
@MagicMan they don't need your up-votes (says the high-rep user). :-)
 
LIES. We hunger for your upvotes.
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They are delicious to me
Though, seriously, you should vote on content, never on user
 
Seriously, if you find you're running out of votes often, save them for things that matter and that are helpful (up-votes for low rep users with good questions/answers, down-votes for wrong answers).
 
hah, i've tried to do the review tasks and use upvotes and downvotes on questions that are deserving
 
Well, don't feel like you have to use up all your votes each day. Just vote up/down as appropriate as you come across it.
 
9:14 PM
If I don't use up all my votes by 10 AM I start to get hopeful that we've reached some kind of quality tipping point.
 
@Wooble does this experience happen often? :)
 
Well, usually it means I'm actually getting work done :)
 
9:30 PM
I sha remeber animuson
 
9:49 PM
@FeliceM, you see?
 
Wanted to see what was "going on" - hello :)
 
HI
 
I should say "cabbage" - but in the "in-joke" would be lost
 
@Shog9 how many chat rooms are you in at the same time?
 
depends
I don't leave chatrooms, so mostly it just depends on when I last put my computer to sleep
 
10:01 PM
@bluefeet not sure it's appropriate to say so, but you get my 1st vote... I seriously hope we get you as mod
 
@JonClements thx
 
@bluefeet for mod all - she'll do a fantastic job
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wb @Jeremy
 
10:40 PM
Wondering how many mods there are on stackoverflow?
 
I'm a bit in awe that people would willing go into what seems to me an insurmountable amount of crap. And only 16, damn.
But I use the site so much, and guess I wanted to say thanks :)
 
They're very dedicated
@bluefeet I also voted for you first. I don't really know any of the candidates and I'm sure they're all good people but damn if I wasn't impressed by your 20K helpful flags :P
 
11:12 PM
@Nacimota well thanks. 20k flags took a lot of time and I'm sure the current mods dislike me because of it.
 
@bluefeet hah, yes it's one of the things I've always worried about when flagging things on forums and community sites. "I hope I haven't crossed the line from helpful to annoying :S"
anyway I'm in the middle of reading the candidate QAs on meta atm; I thought your answers there were quite good as well
but you're a candidate moderator so I suppose a relevant question is "would you be irritated if a particular user posted a large number of flags even if they were generally helpful ones"
I suspect the answer would be no for most moderators so it's probably not a big deal
 
@Nacimota If they are helpful, then no I wouldn't be irritated.
 
so yeah, the moderators probably don't hate you :P
if they're good moderators, I mean, and I have no reason to think that they aren't
 
Undo got a stellar recommendation from the current mods, in large part due to his large number of good flags...
 

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