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12:36 AM
posted on May 06, 2014 by Matt Gushee

Hello, list--

 
My new chat client has clean-script embedded so that you can tidy up code before posting it here. And it can also launch scripts posted by others ...
Rather than using Cheyenne, maybe we can use rebolbot as the server ... just needs to add a listen port for tcp connections, and also a connection to a redis db
Just means we can't use port 80 which is taken by Cheyenne
The question is to whether use rebol blocks, or make it more compatible with other software and add JSON encoding
 
posted on May 06, 2014 by Matt Gushee

I meant to say "there is a strong demand for simpler ways to do web development." -- Matt Gushee

 
 
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2:06 AM
@GrahamChiu Like this?
2
 
@rgchris yes
Rebolbot can already create web pages for the find function
@rebolbot search Cheyenne
 
@GrahamChiu nothing found
 
search function!
but I fear it's a bit slow because it searches text files on disk whereas we need a reblis db
 
there .. goes all the way back to Feb 2014
@rgchris what's the help video there for?
at the very top?
 
2:12 AM
@rgchris nice view of the bot links
 
@GrahamChiu It's saved in the links file, nothing to do with me...
 
Got some duplicates there .. red and red-lang
@rgchris oh .. I thought google might have infiltrated us
 
2:27 AM
@johnk maybe we can have a cut off whereby we stop posting links here and generate a web page instead?
 
3:02 AM
3 makes sense to me. Looking at github we have quite a backlog
 
33 open issues? WTF!
@Adrian can solve his own issues!
 
Most are enhancement requests
26, 36, 40, 42 and 43 would probably be next
 
3:28 AM
for the purposes of evangelism, we should probably concentrate on offering a bot service to other rooms
the chat client is now multiroom capable so it may just be wrapping up somethings into objects
and then we might get more help on development
as people asked for new or altered feature list
 
4:24 AM
posted on May 06, 2014 by Jacob

Yea, I was talking about piggy backing other tech.  I like the idea of a web reboot as well, however, that seems to be a pipe dream;  RedFX seems more reasonable to me.  The major advantage Red could have over Java is that it could compile to asm.js.  Since Red/System is low level it should be a fea

 
4:37 AM
posted on May 06, 2014 by Graham

Rebol/VID and Desktop was the first attempt to reboot the web. Didn't quite work!

 
 
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7:29 AM
https://github.com/red/red/pull/808
GitHub
Red Pull Req—FIX: url! rule corrupt set-word! rule in runtime lexer
qtxie
1399425884
 
7:55 AM
Version 0.1.1 of the rsochat client now available. Can load images off cache now, pretty-print code and launch code.
 
posted on May 07, 2014 by Oldes

I cannot disagree with your comment, Matt. We should not let our wishes too high:) A full-stack development framework for mobile apps, desktop tools and web server side is a good target so far. And it's not easy target as well.

 
So, no need to use rebolbot for all your testing :)
 
Of course it would help if I didn't get #9910 errors with this old view interpreter
 
8:20 AM
posted on May 07, 2014 by Oldes

Btw... you don't have to search for a "killer" app. Red itself (once finished) is the "killer" app. At least I don't know any other language (except REBOL), which would not require multi-MB downloads and minutes or hours of installing to get it into usable state. Recently I installed Ruby to test on

 
8:41 AM
posted on May 07, 2014 by Graham

I have had the same experience.  Multiple vms setup to try and install Ruby on Rails projects but never succeeding due to multiple different versions, and dependencies.

 
 
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10:51 AM
posted on May 07, 2014 by RobertS

re : one WEB language does-all see MIT Curl ( now SCSK Curl ) http://www.curl.com and http://www.curlap.com After more than a decade, only used in seldom disclosed Fortune 200 financials and in Japan and Korea with no USA or EU visibility.  About as invisible as Smalltalk, Prolog and Icon. It is also LISP-ins

 
11:26 AM
posted on May 07, 2014 by Graham

We have already discussed curl. See http://www.rebol.org/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlXQTK Has it changed much in the last 13 years since the last discussion?

 
 
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1:13 PM
posted on May 07, 2014 by qtxie

TESTS: Added unit tests for TAKE action.

 
2:08 PM
@GrahamChiu You click on RebolView.xcworkspace (which doesn't show as a folder on OS X) and this opens RebolView project in Xcode.
From here you hit "Run" button. However it didn't work for me. From errors it looks like it may need OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) or above
(I'm still on 10.7 Lion here. Do plan to upgrade my laptop to Mavericks so will test again at some point).
 
2:47 PM
posted on May 07, 2014 by Jacob

I doubt that we could sell Red based purely on the ease of setting it up. I do agree that it is a nice feature to be able to easily get a working environment up quickly(great first impression), however, most programer are used to these hassles anyway.  The ease of first time setup would be a good se

 
3:46 PM
Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 7689 so chat away!
 
 
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7:44 PM
@draegtun I've got an old Mac so I guess it won't work either for me
It's being used as a paperweight since daughter left for university a few years ago!
hmm. Wonder if I can disconnect the screen somehow to save power, and I could perhaps host the red osx binaries ...
@earl I see Cyphre is looking to put the r3-gui builds on your server farm
Sounds a tad promising
 
7:58 PM
@GrahamChiu Yep. A bit of work for me :)
@GrahamChiu Btw, HTTPS is broken in current (non-public) Saphir builds as well.
Reporting it to Saphirion as we speak. As it's Cyphre's HTTPS code, maybe that'll get it fixed sooner.
 
8:11 PM
I've posted asking for the r3/droid sources .. but we don't need that if we can get https fixed in the Android cli
 
@GrahamChiu We do have HTTPS in the Android CLI builds at all?
 
@earl nope
that's the fix we need!
 
Heh :)
Well, at least I've the Emscripten build basically finished (to the point I wanted to get to, for starters).
 
@earl eh?
Fork is back at work on this I think
 
Is he?
 
8:16 PM
well, he keeps saying he should work on it .. perhaps not quite the same :)
 
Ok :)
He does not need to, first step is done.
 
@earl ok, I'll let him know
he's busy with his USIIC thing
as well
 
Wrapping things up for the demo. Guess I should be done this weekend.
 
8:43 PM
So, HTTPS bug reported to Saphirion.
 
9:01 PM
HTTPS for android CLI would be great. ATM wget and git for android don't support it. (busybox, terminalide)
 
@giuliolunati and you can't call r3/droid at present ?
bit over the top I guess though
 
Dunno how to call r3/droid programmatically
 
use 'call ?
 
... with dalvikm etc? ... maybe.
 
eg. call "r3-droid.exe -s somescript.reb"
from Android rebol cli
rebol is normally able to invoke other programs, even if they are different versions
 
9:14 PM
@GrahamChiu Only that R3/Droid is no .exe on Android :)
 
One can launch apps from CLI via dalvikvm executable, but dunno how to pass args.
 
so, it's not any sort of binary executable?
 
No - only Java class/jar/dex runned by VM
Packed in apk
 
And I think the activity manager tool (am) is only available within an adb shell?
 
so you have to call the dalvik binary on it
like java?
 
9:18 PM
@GrahamChiu Yes.
(Similar, at least.)
 
@earl I can run am in term.emulator, in rooted phone
I wish an executable (like r3 CLI) runned in terminal emulator, with access to Android API.
I found that is possible in [beanshell]( androidguys.com/2008/08/06/scripting-your-android-device) so maybe can try also for Rebol.
 
@giuliolunati Hmm, the "IDE" described in that post doesn't sound like a CLI executable?
It also seems to have an Android Activity (i.e. a proper) app with a GUI consisting of a a big editor field.
 
Maybe can embed rebol in a terminal emulator? I worked on connectbot-improved (mouse support) and ported it for sl4a.
So I know a bit the source
 
 
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11:15 PM
@giuliolunati remember CR and markdown won't work here
 
11:28 PM
@grahamchiu let'me try: connectbot-improved
Ok.
 

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