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4:47 AM
@onetom Re-ping on this one. Is there any simple way of getting a listing of all subdomains on rebol.info (from freedns)? It would be nice to have this list to display on rebol.info
 
5:14 AM
@johnk didn't answer is because i dont know and havent looked into it yet. as the domain admin i see the list of course
@johnk but im also happy to share the password with you. it looks like there is no better way of domain admin collaboration yet for now.
 
5:31 AM
@johnk nice page, btw, but the url is not the correct one. how come? i think the twitter.rebol.info is a better name
 
@onetom Sharing the passwd sounds like the best option. Is email ok?
 
@johnk done. @rgchris has the pwd too
 
@onetom Plagurism is the most sincere form of flattery (thank you to the rebolsource site) Wait until I make a few more updates before lettuing anyone else know.
(well anyone who is not already reading this public discussion :-)
 
5:47 AM
posted on September 09, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] FOUND? is like TRUE?, a function that was needed, which we had to come up with a name for, and that's the name it got. The main reason for both is to generate logic values based on certain circumstances, usually to be stored and used later rather than used immediately - we'd still need this value transformation even if we had conditional operators. It's not necessarily for use with AN

 
@Ladislav @Ladislav thanks. I kept the drive, I will try to revive
 
 
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7:38 AM
posted on September 09, 2013 by Ladislav

[Comment] #1879 is related, providing some reasons why we even need such helpers as TRUE?, ... As stated there, virtually nobody knows the differences between FOUND?, TO LOGIC!, TRUE?, which should alarm the language designer that something is wrong here

 
8:20 AM
hi
to all
 
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@RebolBot i have a small issue and need help
 
8:45 AM
@Supreet feel free to ask any Rebol or Red related questions!
@Supreet as I see you are interested in Android, so you should know that Red - a compiled Rebol variant - already has some basic Android support and it's evolving fast.
@Supreet it will also free us from those super bloated compiler tool chains we are forced to use these days.
 
9:01 AM
@onetom @Ladislav, no need anymore to dig into R3 chat. I found the file.
 
9:55 AM
Finally we made it to publish our Saphir version to GitHub. You can find the project here:

https://github.com/saphirion/saphir

This is in sync with our internal code line and we will maintain the repository. Pull-Requests are welcome and will be reviewed by us.

I hope with this step, the whole fuzz about Saphir and if it can be used is solved. As we promised, we will publish the code for it. Now I'm looking forward if the community is picking it up and if we see some pull-requests soon.
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Saphir is the most advanced Rebol 3 implementation and actively maintained by the Saphirion team.
 
@RobertM.Münch Congratulations and thank you at the same time, guys. I also wish you a lot of successful business!
 
10:08 AM
@RobertM.Münch I just switched to Linux. But for your version I will have again a look at Windows.)
 
@sqlab i wouldn't develop under windows, but i do very welcome the possibility of my scripts availability under windows
 
@onetom why not? NSA does not care for developers, or just as potential employees
 
@sqlab just inconvenience. i prefer the "just works" way of the mac, even if they limit me in certain ways. those limitations bother me a lot less than the usual direct and indirect windows issues...
 
11:01 AM
@RebolBot do find/any "page" "p*g"
 
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>> find/any "page" "p*g"
== none
 
11:13 AM
that's a hefty bug
 
11:49 AM
@sqlab i think i would just use parse, like this:
@RebolBot do print [parse "page" [loc: to "p" skip thru "g" to end] loc]
 
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>> print [parse "page" [loc: to "p" skip thru "g" to end] loc]
true page
 
These are 5 years old complains
 
@sqlab but rebol is only open source for this many days:
@RebolBot do now - 2012/12/12
 
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>> now - 12-Dec-2012
== 271
 
12:04 PM
@RobertM.Münch Thank you! That is fantastic news
 
12:18 PM
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@onetom You may not realize but your rule is not equivalent to what find/any ... "p*g" is supposed to do.
 
@RebolBot
print [{"Hello there,} reverse {suiL@} {it's nice to meet you." :-)}]
 
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>> print [{"Hello there,} reverse "suiL@" {it's nice to meet you."  :-)}]
"Hello there, @Lius it's nice to meet you."  :-)
 
@Ladislav sure, but something like that. im actually just curious about whether is it a match or not
 
@RobertM.Münch Awesome, Robert - Good to know that my hassling worked. :-) This will be a great help in telling a clearer story to users that the Rebol implementations we advocate for are all open source... and hopefully we can get things un-forked as much as possible soon...
 
12:22 PM
@RebolBot do print [parse "111 page 222" [to "p" loc: skip thru "g" to end] loc]
 
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>> print [parse "111 page 222" [to "p" loc: skip thru "g" to end] loc]
true page 222
 
@earl It would make it easier for Saphir and Rebol to "share DNA" as it were if it were an actual fork of the Rebol 3 sources, even if those changes were significant...wouldn't even just a mechanical diff applied as a giant patch after forking Rebol 3 be a step forward?
I understand it would be a lot of new files and changes, but at least then there'd be better possibility to create little patches and converge.
 
 
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1:43 PM
@sqlab Yuck, wildcards? As @onetom says... can't we just cut that out and use parse?
To me, the point gets lost when there's no teaching "a better way". There are some tough calls, like offering EXPR [1 + 2 * 3] ==> 7 which I actually think is a good idea to have in the box; as a proof of context sensitive dialecting. But the moment "*" and "+" and "." or anything even remotely regular-expression-ish get in there, I have another slap-Larry-Wall moment.
 
@HostileFork :) im not against wildcards. well, at least i didnt consider yet to be against them
 
@onetom Well flattening instructions down into strings is fine if other people want to do it in their own code. But we have words, and a lot more, and I think if you're going to win hearts and minds you have to have a consistent narrative. The narrative here is that you don't want to be "penny-wise and pound-foolish"; shorter code should be about symbol count and not character count.
Dr. Rebmu might disagree. :-P
 
@HostileFork what a great way to be able to self-contradict any time :)
 
I think @GrahamChiu often helpfully reminds, whenever we are getting all hung up on names or refinements (or whatever) that dialects are supposed to be the lifeblood of Rebol. There's a lot of distraction from that focus.
Vizzini: [Vizzini stops suddenly, his smile frozen on his face and falls to the ground dead]

Buttercup: And to think, all that time it was your cup that was poisoned.

Man in Black: They were both poisoned. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane powder.
 
2:36 PM
@RobertM.Münch I found the Android ARM system target added here in systems.r, but isn't there a java shim and packager? I know Atronix is interested in the Android code, and I heard there was some understanding about Nick's donations to help with the Android port being so that the code might be studied also for Red.
I think @DocKimbel has a good idea of being independent from Eclipse and that whole toolchain, with a custom packager that's part of the distribution. It wouldn't affect the other platform builds, but just make the .APK hopefully with no JDK installed. We've discussed what it would take to do this for the signing, and it looks feasible.
 
@earl 'k. Well it would be nice if we could all sort of chip in on a single JDK-independent packager port.
I can read already-written Java, but I don't care enough to know how to make good decisions on new Java code. Whatever those would be. :-)
 
Wouldn't have to write any new Java code for that, I think.
 
Right, that's my point. :-)
I found the relevant code, it's in the chat history somewhere.
We could just sort of piece-meal it off. "you write this, you write that" plug it together.
Two weeks? Anyway, I think that getting Android into the mainline and build farm is a great idea, and if Rebol and Red can use the same packager even better.
 
Shouldn't take someone really interested in getting it done more than an afternoon or two.
But maybe just ask @Cyphre how long it took him :)
 
2:45 PM
Well, devil's always in the details.
I assume he's using Eclipse and NDK
 
No.
 
Really? Oh. Well, jeez. Then open source that! Red needs it too!
I've tinkered with C code and NDK in Eclipse and it's kind of a clusterf**k. But, doable.
It would be very desirable to have a lighter--and more literate--solution.
 
@HostileFork I think Saphirion is waiting for me to implement it for Red, then, they will open source it. ;-)
 
@DocKimbel Maybe, maybe not :)
 
@DocKimbel You're such a skeptic. You probably think that if Edward Snowden sent a memo about the illegal practices to his superiors that the information wouldn't have come out through proper channels.
You didn't believe in the cold fusion guy either. And look how world energy policy has transformed.
 
2:49 PM
@HostileFork Hehe :) I'm a total skeptic, that's right!
 
Well, it's a good day of sharing the source, so we shouldn't be making fun. :-)
But I think I do agree that business interests are catalyzed by environmental factors, and it's hard to say what the software landscape would like if some activists weren't making moves... e.g. Red vs. Rebol.
 
Btw, I'm just repeating what was announced a few months ago.
"The cool thing with this approach is one really don't need anything more than the Android encapper to produce the apk file. No need for android NDK, SDK or even JAVA to be installed ;-)"
-- Robert, on AltME, 2013-06-12 (might have been relayed here as well)
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@earl Well if so, can we pleeeez have that?
 
@HostileFork Well, one thing's for sure: I'm certainly the wrong person to ask :)
 
3:48 PM
The Rebmu edit is slow going, source material is... pretty bad, but I'm "mushing" it together. I think people will like it.
We should have had the wireless mics into my computer and not drawn audio out of the mixer over long wires, instead having my feed be pure and then split out to the venue mix! Who cares what the mix was at the conference! Record the unmixed data! Grrrrr.
Also, in the "my mistake" category, I was standing too far out of frame to try and compensate for all the noise that the front camera footage is unusable.
 
4:42 PM
@HostileFork Well, we know have quite some hassles to keep things in sync. We will see if it's going to be to tedious.
 
 
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8:26 PM
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