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12:08 AM
Maybe just mono and got set to one side
 
 
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2:18 AM
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Q: Rebol 3 - What is an equivalent function of view/new for Saphirion's Rebol

kealistI'm trying to do some testing while working on GUIs, but I am running into trouble having console access at the same time. Rebol 3 >> view/new [button] ** Script error: view has no refinement called new >> help view USAGE: VIEW spec /options opts /modal /no-wait /across /as-is /maximized /m...

 
2:57 AM
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A: Rebol 3 - How do you debug using an equivalent of view/new for Saphirion's Rebol

Graham ChiuThere isn't a way to have both console access and the gui concurrently. But you could use an area face to enter commands and a button to evaluate those commands in your GUI.

 
3:19 AM
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Q: Rebol 3 - REB-GUI - How to access text from an area?

kealistI'm struggling a lot coming from R2 and dealing with faces. get-facet seems extremely unintuitive to me. Let's say I have an area: view [c: area "hello"] print get-facet c 'text-edit get-facet always returns "hello" even if I type something else in the area. What is going on with this?

 
3:37 AM
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A: Rebol 3 - REB-GUI - How to access text from an area?

kealistThe correct command is get-face. For the example above, it is fixed by: view [c: area "hello"] print get-face c

 
4:18 AM
@GrahamChiu @GrahamChiu : two wireless mics, one for the speaker, one for the questions (Gregg), each in a separate channel. HostileFork plans to fix (center) during post-processing.
 
@paultarvydas so the questions go to left channel and speaker to right?
Looks like BrianD has set himself up for a heap of work .. where on earth is he going to do this? He has left his apartment in Texas and is living out of his car!
 
4:38 AM
I don't know which channel is which. BrianD is recording the slide presentation directly to disk, along with the audio streams. He intends to edit the talks into sharp shots of the slides interspersed with shots of the speaker. Where? I dunno, but a lot of great work has been accomplished in the back seat of cars ... He says that this setup is going to save him lots of post-processing time...
 
He spent thankless hours on the talk by dockimbel earlier this year so wants to avoid that fiasco.
But he's the one who went to film school .. so I guess he feels the one best able to do the work.
 
5:05 AM
Yes. He's sitting through every talk with headphones on, monitoring the audio quality - it seems that the wireless mics pick up interference if the presenter stands in certain places, and waves at them to move slightly. Yes, he clearly has film school experience - we've restarted presentations several times now to get a clean flow. He's a valuable asset to this effort.
 
5:21 AM
I have watched a lot now, but I seem to have missed the talks on Quartermaster and Liquid. Does anyone have links to those talks?
 
6:00 AM
@johnk I thought I saw one on liquid ... but I skipped it
Bit hard because all of the talks are comminuted
 
 
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7:51 AM
@Adrian do you know the schedule for tomorrow?
 
8:03 AM
@GrahamChiu not in detail - all I know is that Chris is going to do Quartermaster, but don't have a time for that
we were out drinking pretty late
until 3 am
 
ahh.. so that's why you're still up?
I've been casting my medical eye on the people in the conference
 
well, I had one beer (thanks Alan, I owe you one), but Chris and Alan had a few so it might be harder for them to get up too early
everyone's pretty tired
 
Gregg is the vegetarian .. pretty obviously different body shape!
 
I slept in yesterday (Sat) since I'd set up my alarm to go for weekdays and not weekends
 
so miss the beginning of the conference?
 
8:06 AM
not a bad sleep though, from 4 to 11:30 or so
yeah, Tamas woke me with a phonecall
missed Max's first talk and half of Bo's
@GrahamChiu different than?
 
than most of the other speakers
Can't say anything about anyone else as can't see them
Hmm. Don't think I saw Bo's talk recording
Just thinking how unhealthy it is to be a programmer :(
 
I'm gonna hit the sack - don't want a repeat of yesterday.
Doesn't have to be unhealthy, I think.
 
set your alarm!
 
I did - l8tr
 
 
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1:03 PM
posted on July 14, 2013 by WayneTsui

[Comment] OK, guys, I have made it! I have run 20 console prompts at the same time. Most of the time, I got #9910, and 1 #1401, and some just disapper. Once I have got 5 #1412 and 2 #1405. Unfortunately, I fail to capture the #1405 well; and I tried twice more, but could't get the #1412 and #1405. Note that run 20 console prompts at the same time would cost a lot of memory. The test would take

 
@onetom, I'm trying to find out if the room I'm in is available for another night. Pretty sure it shouldn't be a problem.
 
1:59 PM
@paultarvydas, are you around?
 
@paultarvydus Thanks for the appreciation. :). I'm trying to do what I can but I did not have say in the overall setup, so I'm having to plug in "my way" after-the-fact.
 
@HostileFork, it's tarvydas - don't think he'll get the ping with "us"
 
@grahamchiu Only doing the car thing until I figure out a plan, and when I would use a home base for something besides a few hours of sleep. Plans are generally shaping up; I do not think I'm going to spend any tourist time in Montreal post-conference, for instance
@paultarvydas Oops, sorry, mobile app doesn't autocomplete. See above...
 
@HostileFork are you still giving @rgchris and @onetom a ride to where I'm staying?
 
2:18 PM
@Adrian yup, we're there!
 
2:34 PM
We're at the conference location. Still waiting for a few, like Carl.
 
At train station for Adrian to change his ticket. En route afterward with Chris and tomas
Given that Carl is ready to hand over Rebol.net and Rebol.org, I propose that we scrape the sites as they are and make note of all the inbound links. Then forward these links to archive.rebol.net and archive.rebol.org which for now will just point to the IP addresses of the existing servers
 
3:34 PM
For anyone who can't view the "E Rebolus Unum" presentation in Google Docs, I downloaded it as a PDF: e-rebolus-unum.pdf
 
etherpad lite for rebol: pad.hackerspace.sg/p/rebol
 
4:21 PM
@HostileFork You have an error on slide 26... instead of pointing to Phob's gallery, which is here humanart.cz/portfolio/phoob/dila you have a link humanart.cz/moje/dila Also the logo is not rendered, but hand drawn image.
 
@Oldes oops... well, fixable in post, even in the video. I copied and pasted the link from the email at the last minute, but I'll get it changed.
@RebolBot delete
@RebolBot
loop 5 [print "Hello"]
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
>> loop 5 [print "Hello"]
Hello
Hello
Hello
Hello
Hello
 
55 mins ago, by HostileFork
For anyone who can't view the "E Rebolus Unum" presentation in Google Docs, I downloaded it as a PDF: e-rebolus-unum.pdf
 
@HostileFork nice
 
@Oldes Demonstrating StackOverflow features for Cindy Sassenrath...
 
4:35 PM
@HostileFork ok.. hello Cindy:)
 
 
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7:11 PM
so is the conference over?
what are the results?
 
7:32 PM
@RebolBot
do reverse ["Hey @graph, conference almost over, some of us sticking around another day or two." print]
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
>> do reverse [{Hey @graph, conference almost over, some of us sticking around another day or two.} print]
Hey @graph, conference almost over, some of us sticking around another day or two.
 
that's not reversed, now, is it?
 
Seems like some really great discussions have been going on here at the conference. Lots of face time with top tier Rebol and Red dignitaries.
We're about to do another presentation, as long as the network cooperates.
 
7:49 PM
@RebolBot
do reverse ["Hey @graph, now it's duble-reversed!" reverse print]
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
>> do reverse ["Hey @graph, now it's duble-reversed!" reverse print]
!desrever-elbud s'ti won ,hparg@ yeH
 
I think I would like to see the talk about the associative database system
that is if dealing with the recordings etc. isn't too much trouble of course
 
I would like to see many talks, but we must wait.. the uploaded - directly streamed cuts are not quite user friendly
If this list would be possible to sort at least, but it's not ustream.tv/new/search?q=ReCode%20Montreal
 
@rgchris is up now with his QuarterMaster presentatino.
 
Pretty disrupted again
 
8:02 PM
I think the connection is even worse today.
 
8:14 PM
It's useless trying to keep the stream going today. I can get maybe a minute if I'm lucky between 15-20 seconds of timeouts. If you guys want me to keep it going as much as possible, I will.
 
8:27 PM
Wow! We got almost 5 minutes of uninterrupted streaming!
 
8:39 PM
I'm not watching anymore
 
K. Thanks for letting me know.
 
8:59 PM
Sorry @HostileFork — could hardly see you, hope it wasn't to static-laden...
 
Good news items: my web agenda has garnered support and may happen swiftly ++ LOAD compatibility between Rebol and Red has been acknowledged as being critical enough to hammer out that Carl and Doc see it worth working on ++ Carl wants to ping Saphirion personally to see what the hold up is with sharing their source ++ I think we have a short list of who will be the authorized in the Rebol Organization on GitHub and remove the bottlenecks.
I hope @earl will be content enough that we get him to integrate on rebol/rebol (rename of rebol/r3) and that we can put the downloads page at downloads.rebol.org and get rid of the disclaimers.
 
@HostileFork Is that the right link?
 
@rgchris It's a link explaining what GitHub organizations are. We're just going to be having some people picked and make the list public.
 
Ah, ok—I thought it might be set up.
 
Hi @GrahamChiu!
 
9:11 PM
@rgchris It is set up...the Rebol GitHub account is configured as an organization, not user. But the list of members is currently not public.
 
hi Bo
 
Streaming @Moliad on ustream.tv right now. The connection is a little better now.
 
Anyone tried a Google hangout to see if they can stream video that way?
Saphirion announce new Rebol3 binaries and view for OSX, and Linux - early graphics now possible
and a new droid binary
 
Binaries, eh?
 
The problem is the connection here. We get long drops of 15-45 seconds without connectivity.
 
9:13 PM
@Respectech is it the connection to ustream or the connection in general?
 
The connection in general.
 
Cyhpre "Some additional notes:
-you can run the demo on Saphir / R3 Andoid just by typing DEMO in the console
-the Linux, OSX-PPC and OSX-Intel "View" binaries needs 32-bit version of freetype2 library (also included in the specific build folders)
-the Linux, OSX-PPC and OSX-Intel "View" binaries are currently able to render DRAW dialect to image! (using the DRAW command). We'll be working to get full graphics support on the metioned platforms in the near future."
3
@Respectech didn't the relavance company know about their flaky internet connection?
 
Apparently not.
 
@GrahamChiu They just moved to this location...quite possibly have never stressed it before.
 
@HostileFork next conference .. someone have a LTE connection!
 
9:19 PM
@GrahamChiu If you host it, we will come!
 
It better be an unlimited LTE connection.
 
having said that, it would be very expensive lol
@rgchris I've got a spare bedroom ...
 
@GrahamChiu Big enough for a few tables and chairs?
 
@rgchris then we'd have to go to my office :)
 
@oldes What I received for the credit: *"Contact info suffice about a URL to the blog (http://www.humanart.cz/moje/dila/ and http://www.phoob.blogspot.cz/search/label/graphica ) or email (petr.phob at gmail dot com) or my name (Petr Stefek (nickname is phob)) :))"*
 
9:23 PM
got a link to the logo? I think I glimpsed it on the stream only
 
@GrahamChiu slide 25
 
9:39 PM
People in the room here are sucking up all my bandwidth.
 
@Respectech oh, that sucks :)
No QOS for streaming?
 
Nope
Very old router
Router doesn't even have a user-viewable DHCP table.
 
10:01 PM
That's it for presentations. I've got to pack up. Need to be back at the hotel ASAP.
Maxim thanks all the online people for watching!
 
@Respectech If you grabbed video/audio, would you mind if I got a copy before you take off?
 
10:19 PM
Thanks for trying to steam despite the terrible connection.
 
posted on July 14, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] The word type is normal, lit-word is considered normal for visual compatibility with SET lit-word, set-word is considered normal for FUNCT compatibility (and similar to regular assignment), get-word has special case behavior. There are reasons for having all of these types supported with the current behavior, they're not in there for completion. If we add the other types, we should co

 
10:55 PM
What did Tamas show ?
@cyphre .. text now works on the droid/r3. Slider is very slow though with lag, and scrolling on a face moves the whole screen still.
 
@GrahamChiu Fantastic news - https on Linux is working :-) Thank you Saphirion
 
@johnk @Cyphre is here! lol
I thought https on linux always worked on saphir, it just doesn't work on mainline
 
@GrahamChiu thanks for testing the text bug. I didn't made any performance improvements yet. The text list/table widget scrolling is possible only when the layout fits the screen. This is common rule on touch UI - I haven't seen a scrollable layout with scrollable widget inside on Android yet. Anyway these widgets will be replaced by mobile widget set hopefully soon.
 
@Cyphre the demo only locked up on me once so far.
 
@johnk: yes, with these builds we have synced all the R3/Saphir features on all available platforms so anyone can just grab that specific binary.
@GrahamChiu how it 'locked'? Also can you try if the display rotation works on your device?
 
11:11 PM
I did a search for REBOL on google play . One app `Alien Names' by Ralph Robers comes up. Doesn't seem like the Android App is rebol based even though he has programmed the program before in it, but got some lovely comments from users "Dev needs to learn how to spell. REBEL. REBEL. REBEL!!!!!!!! NOT REBOL YOU BIG IDIOT"
 
@GrahamChiu If it did I never found the link to the binary. @cyphre Thanks again
 
@Cyphre display rotation works in that the r3gui rotated. But when I scrolled the r3gui demo, the main "Close" button on the r3/droid screen created multiple copies as it corrupts the screen
 
@kealist yeah, it's time to flood Google Play with some R3 apps soon ;-)
 
As for locking up, it happened the once when I used the back arrow to get rid of the keyboard, and it stopped responding.
And if you haven't seen it, there is a bug report on CC regarding the #9910 bug from Wayne Tsui
@rebolbot cc 9910
 
@GrahamChiu lock: interesting...one hint in case you manage to 'lock' it again...try to press the android "menu" button...it works as if you do ctrl+c on windows console and should try to interupt R3 and show the console output with input line...it is possible that the R3GUI just errored out and the UI stopped responding
 
11:17 PM
@RebolBot cc 2032
 
[
summary: "Program terminated abnormally."
description: {When I run a spider programme, after several mininutes, the console would terminated abnormally.^M
OS: Win7 ^M
Rebol Version: 2.100.111.3.1}
code: none
version: "alpha 111"
severity: "crash"
status: "submitted"
resolution: "open"
priority: "high"
type: "Bug"
platform: "Windows"
created: 11-Jun-2013/7:31:31
modified: 14-Jul-2013/14:49:42
user: "WayneTsui"
category: "Unspecified"
reproduce: "Always"
fixed-in: none
project: "REBOL 3.0"
comments: [
 
Late here, talk to you later. Bye guys!
 
@Cyphre also the area face seems much slower to type into than a field
And when you tap to enter a text field, it highlights all the text, but doesn't do that on the area face
neither of them allow double tap to select a word
Looks like tap to scroll works but drag to scroll does the other drag
Hmm. Held the backspace on the area face and it closed r3/droid down
reproduceable - demo - r3gui widget - click on area face - hold backspace down and once it removes the "m", it drops back to console.
Does not do the same in the text field
 
11:39 PM
I was looking at this ruby dataflow programming thing called xenograte and I'm thinking it's something that could be done in Rebol.
They have a GUI in the closed source portion ..
So, one would create a new rebol process for each node, and use the redis:// scheme to allow nodes to communicate with each other.
 
posted on July 14, 2013 by Graham

[Comment] Can you post your rebol code on github as a Gist or something? Download from here is not working. Thanks

 
My main worry is whether the #9910 bug would stop the redis:// scheme from working as @Rebolek has mentioned encountering it
 

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