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12:20 AM
@earl Email with Douglas? It wasn't a serious thing, it was just his idea, he thought Rebol was important once upon a time and changed his mind when he decided that a technology alone wasn't the deal, it was about communication and standards and the Internet were more important...
"It wasn't a serious thing" = "He didn't write it, he just bought domains and probably got as far as I did on Freebol, which was to make a webpage and tinker a little trying to figure out how to write it"
 
12:54 AM
posted on February 27, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] OK, here is where we run into the legacy naming rules. If a named something exists in R2 in a substantially compatible way, we keep the name in R3. The only exception we make is for something that is both extremely badly named and almost completely unused, like #1971 for example. The tuple! type is both very widely used and somewhat accurately named - being not-general-enough in sema

 
1:08 AM
@HostileFork But there does exist Freebell by Frank Sievertsen written in 2002
Looks like Frank has gone to Python .. I wonder if he knows Rebol is open source?
 
1:33 AM
posted on February 27, 2013 by adrians

[Comment] Hmm, with all of these considerations in mind, it's difficult to see how to reasonably evolve datatypes. If an initial design is this locked down once it's out "in the wild", maybe we should think of some kind of better approach to datatype evolution. Btw, I'm not sure what you mean by IPv6 not being implemented. Have you looked at the output of "ipconfig" in Windows? All my network

 
Who would do the IPV6 implementation for R3?
 
I don't know that you would need R3 to actually implement IPv6 specific functionality in order to want to support IPv6 addresses. You can "use" an IPv6 address through a call to an external IPv6 compliant executable.
But good question - I don't know if any of the current Rebol gurus are knowledgeable in that area.
Maybe we only need a sockets expert to update the current C code to IPv6. i.e. they might not need to be expert at Rebol.
 
2:11 AM
@RebolBot /x print "hello"
 
>>hello
 
@SomeKittens, is it true that you're deleting dissenting comments on your blog post?
Or is the comment saying this just creating FUD?
 
@RebolBot /x alert "Using webservice?"
 
>>Using webservice?
 
@Adrian RebolBot can now accept commands from anyone
well, I hope! just make sure to ask it to execute using /x as first two characters after addressing it
 
2:28 AM
@RebolBot /x loop 5 [print "yeah!] ; multi-line output too?
 
>>** Syntax error: invalid "string" -- {"yeah!] ; multi-line output too?}
** Where: to case load do either either either -apply-
** Near: (line 1) loop 5 [print "yeah!] ; multi-line output too?

>>
 
not if you don't quote strings properly!
let me fix up the entities
@RebolBot /x loop 5 [print "yeah!"] ; multi-line output too?
 
>>yeah!
yeah!
yeah!
yeah!
yeah!
 
Ok, need to fix the indenting now
@RebolBot /x print "Beatles sang" loop 5 [print "yeah!"] ; multi-line output too?
 
>>Beatles sang
yeah!
yeah!
yeah!
yeah!
yeah!
 
2:40 AM
nice
 
I don't think it's indenting though as code
@RebolBot /x print "She loves you" loop 3 [print "yeah!"]
 
>>She loves you
yeah!
yeah!
yeah!
 
It looks to be in fixed font. What do you mean?
 
Dunno ..
maybe it's working :)
 
Today's post must have struck a chord:
> This isn't a blog post. It's a paid advertisement. Beware, dissenting views are being deleted. The creator of this blog has no integrity whatsoever.
 
2:49 AM
posted on February 27, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] We can improve datatypes in Rebol, but in a backward compatible way for the most part. When we break backwards compatibility we only do so for good reasons, and we try to limit the scope of the break. If we're really going to break things, it's much better to break them altogether by removing the datatype completely. Changing the datatype in subtle ways leads to subtle bugs - loud bug

posted on February 27, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] I mean that there is no support whatsoever in any version of Rebol for IPv6. Whether it is implemented on the host platform doesn't affect whether it is implemented in Rebol (though if it's not, that might block us a little). It's even a different set of APIs on the platform too. It is a good idea to do though. Given all that I said above about datatypes though, there is good justifi

posted on February 27, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] Yes, docs. Coming into a new language everyone's expectations are going to be off because they aren't based on experience with this language. They'll be even more off if they come from a background where they would have heard a term like "tuple" before (Chrome's spell-checker hasn't even heard of "tuple"), because Rebol is decidedly quite different from anything such a background woul

 
@RebolBot /x words-of sys
 
>>== [native action do* make-module* boot-banner boot-help boot-host boot-mezz boot-prot boot-exts export assert-utf8 make-port* *parse-url decode-url make-scheme init-schemes decode encode encoding? intern bind-lib export-words mixin? load-header load-ext-module load-boot-exts read-decode load do-needs load-module import start]
 
@SomeKittens If that were the case, why is that comment still there?
 
@GrahamChiu Actually, I deleted it (it's the only one I've ever deleted). No need to feed the trolls.
Haven't had any issues with trolls/etc until I started submitting to Reddit. Should tell you something.
@Adrian ^
There was one previous comment that the commenter deleted themselves.
 
I don't know how many tags are being used in the Json being returned here so I put in an all encompassing rule

tag! skip |

to ignore them.
@SomeKittens Does HN have password recovery?
 
2:59 AM
@GrahamChiu Yes, but you have to email Paul Graham: pg@ycombinator.com
 
Is it intentional for Bot to put a couple extra right-arrows before its output? It would make sense if it were echoing its code input there, but if it isn't doing that you might be better off just not putting the input arrows.
 
@BrianH Yes, intentional. I can remove them.
Now gone
@SomeKittens Not sure why you'd allow anonymous comments anyway ... too much trouble dealing with spam
 
I enabled them because I wanted to make it easy for anyone to comment - I wasn't getting any at the time. One of my goals with Recoding is to get feedback on my ideas/writing and a good commenting community was important. I'll turn it off if more trouble happens.
 
@Adrian don't limit Rebol to platforms where calling an external executable is a defined concept, especially for a whole category of behavior that we already have a built in port scheme for :)
 
not limiting, but just pointing out that it might be nice to have implementation for manipulating IPv6 addresses before actually having any deeper IPv6 support
 
3:11 AM
I was replying to your suggestion that we use call for IPv6 support :)
 
Didn't mean that, if that's what it came out as
just that you might do a call to a ping or similar-type util
where you'd pass an IPv6 address
 
You clarified later, but it seemed worth mentioning that we can't just assume that call will solve all our ills. Platforms are getting interesting now, and not all of them have programs at all, let alone a command line.
 
Sure
 
I did reply to your last three issues in your last comment on the ticket, with 3 comments related to them. Let me know if those don't make sense.
 
@SomeKittens If you want comments, write an article about something really stupidly boring, but practical. This is the most popular article on hostilefork by traffic .Trashes, .fseventsd, and .Spotlight-V100.
I've written much better articles, but Google brings people there for that constantly.
 
3:24 AM
@BrianH Saw your comments, Brian - thanks.
 
3:34 AM
@HostileFork did you have any more thoughts about help?
@RebolBot /x help help
 
USAGE:
? ? HELP 'word /doc

DESCRIPTION:
? ? Prints information about words and values.
? ? HELP is a function value.

ARGUMENTS:
? ? word (any-type!)

REFINEMENTS:
? ? /doc -- Open web browser to related documentation.
 
@rgchris     is being converted to ? ?
 
@GrahamChiu Well, it's up to you to decide what to do with stdout in your bot, and it's up to everyone, so you can argue either way. I think the main thing it got me started thinking about was that print's current treatment of non-string arguments is underwhelming. It has never sat right with me how it handles block input, and I realized that I wanted a print dialect that was sane. Help would therefore generate an reasonable-looking-if-probed block of print dialect data.
If I want print form x I will write print form x. A print dialect would be far more useful.
Form's dicey-ness should be contained entirely in FORM. I have never liked it much.
I can accept its existence but I see no reason to canonize it in foundational things like PRINT.
@GrahamChiu I'm not going to write the test, esp given my experiences with TryRebol taking down my server, but I assume you've set a reasonable limit on output length (for our sanity here) as well as CPU (for your computer's health)
 
@HostileFork "Help would generate..." that seems more a job for a help-of function, don't you think? The main advantage of having an interactive help function is that help will be the first thing someone who needs help would type. So, it should be helpful right away, not after being printed explicitly.
 
Is there a reason why we can't control direction so that 'print can output to something other than stdout?
 
3:44 AM
@BrianH We keep getting into these questions, e.g. with Q or my disapproval of things like CD and LS. It does come down to a matter of worldview. The thing is, I don't want to pollute the minds of newcomers by painting any sort of illusion... I see the mind of anyone coming into a situation through the perspective of architecture, I don't want any "un-learning" to be needed.
 
The makedoc and other scripts use an emit function to append to a series .. when really print should be able to do this
 
I'm willing to make the terminal experience, from Day 1, by default, a Rebol boot camp that doesn't require any "oh wait, I didn't get it". I want it to be "I get it" and a perpetual curve of more "Oh, I get it"
 
@GrahamChiu I thought that was a job for something like system/standard/output (keeping in mind that I know such a thing doesn't exist). Or you could do the obvious and redefine print, but let's not require that. I think that it's mostly a UI thing.
 
You keep pushing for a "well, they'll figure it out, let's twist it up a bit so it's faster, because I hate inconvenience for the things I do". The biggest inconvenience for the things you do is when Rebol is inconsistent and doesn't win friends with its cohesive and powerful framework, because you twisted it up and didn't show off enough.
I will point, again, to what I think is a fairly brilliant Q&A
3
Q: How to use Unicode codepoints above U+FFFF in Rebol 3 strings like in Rebol 2?

HostileForkI know you can't use caret style escaping in strings for codepoints bigger than ^(FF) in Rebol 2, because it doesn't know anything about Unicode. So this doesn't generate anything good, it looks messed up: print {Q: What does a Zen master's {Cow} Say? A: "^(03BC)"!} Yet the code works in Reb...

That is the kind of level of quality we need to push. The newbies will write newbie questions, but our Q&A can "show off". And this is my point about things like help and print, every opportunity to "show off" should be taken.
And the tides are turning here, and I appreciate you and earl and everyone like... starting to listen to me, that's awesome.
 
@HostileFork would you provide an example of what help should return
 
3:49 AM
To be fair, there are a lot of people who disagree with your preferred approach, Fork. A lot of people liked the all-in-one-basket approach of R2. And there will be a lot of people who will be turned off by not having a help function that provides them with help. I use it all the time, for instance, and I'm not even a newbie. But as for the print function, I wasn't disagreeing with Graham.
 
New logo seems to be getting support, function might actually replace funct, people are here on StackOverflow so... yeah, I'm happy about all this. If it had happened a couple years ago I'd have been happier.
 
@GrahamChiu, don't know if you saw, I pinged you for an updated gist for the bot, if you have a sec
 
@HostileFork If people don't voice their support for the function change here then it won't matter. Chime in, people! :)
 
@HostileFork calm down !
@Adrian Ok, and how did you ping me?
 
3:55 AM
@BrianH done
 
in the program that shall not be named
 
@BrianH Why would a help function that returned structure in the terminal not provide help? print help foo would just be prettier because print would have a nifty wicked awesome dialect.
 
@Adrian Oh, I'm not on there at present.
 
@HostileFork too long
@GrahamChiu np, if/when you can get around to it
 
@Adrian You underestimate, I think, how Rebol's difference in spirit sells it. Anyone who felt like it can redefine and say their help (even calling it help) does print help foo. But the point is to make good LEGO parts so that what you get in the box is coherent and aaaaaweessoomme to get programmers hyped from the get go with the consistency and awesomeness.
 
3:58 AM
Yeah, I see that point too - was just whining.
 
And this is why I've been ranting and raving about the incorrect worldview that would allow append [w x y] q to silently exit the interpreter. I actually did that once while writing a tutorial and I thought there was a bug. It took me a minute until I figured it out.
 
Can ? become a shortcut for print help then?
 
@SomeKittens That's an interesting idea
 
Would that shut up the "ultimate brevity competition" peanut gallery? :-)
I'd be okay with that.
 
4:01 AM
@HostileFork That is interesting
 
@SomeKittens Know why append [w x y] q exits the interpreter? :-/
 
q is the command to quit
 
@SomeKittens Yup, so what would I type instead?
 
I'm not entirely sure how it's being executed, reading docs now
append [w x y] 'q
 
@SomeKittens Okay, great, YOU get it, but you see why I'm worried about this in a more general sense with new users.
And this is the worldview thing I'm talking about.
 
4:04 AM
posted on February 27, 2013 by SomeKittens

[Comment] As a newcomer, I think this change needs to be made. It lowers the barrier to entry using something that most programmers should be familiar with. FUNCT is Yet Another Rebol Thing, and there's already enough of those. Let's make it easy for the new guys.

 
@SomeKittens an FYI... earl scraped CureCode and, if we have our 'druthers, will be uploading the bug database to GitHub via their API.
 
@HostileFork Sweet! What's the status on Rebol interacting with NoSQL DBs?
 
I'm not quite sure what the holdup is, but for the moment, it's still where stuff is going on...
@SomeKittens Doc wrote the SQL driver... someone really should do a MongoDB interface. Oh you want to see something funny? My scrape of the Redis help pages and the C sources produced the beginnings of Reblis Hehehe, gonna blow their minds.
Redis is C, it'll be easy to pack up.
Just cross link so Rebol map uses Redis under the hood for its map. And boooom! We just went nuclear.
It's going to be fun to watch this unfold.
 
@SomeKittens Couchdb
 
But... we have our work cut out for us. :-/
The utter simplicity of Rebol's source code at first had me really... sad. I was expecting something alien or amazing or indecipherable. It's not any of that. It's really obvious and bug-prone C. But on the flip side of my disappointment, it's really going to be easy to adapt... you don't need a rocket science degree to do something like what I suggest with Redis. You just do it, and there you go.
By keeping it really boring, and focusing on the design decisions of the language itself, we get lots of mileage.
It's the sum of those design decisions, and making sure the rest of the ones that are left are made correctly, that are important. And that's why I keep urging Doc to stay in the discussions and hold off before launching Red into the stratosphere with incomplete thought.
 
4:26 AM
@HostileFork you are underestimating the cluelessness of the target demographic of help (I am speaking as someone who uses the function). Remember, the help function is meant for people who would type "help" at the command line because they need help. Most people wouldn't type ? in those cases - that's a shortcut for power users. They certainly wouldn't think to type print help. Its name is a feature. Nonetheless, I think your help metadata function is a great idea with a different name.
Thanks @SomeKittens for the support!
 
@BrianH Wait. How does help work with no arguments? Just an exception to the rules?
 
@HostileFork A standard exception that other functions can and do use, but yes.
 
@BrianH How to define such a function myself?
 
@HostileFork help uses what is (awkwardly, we have a ticket about this) called a lit-word parameter, which changes the evaluation rules. When you also make such a parameter, or a (also awkward) get-word parameter, take any-type! or unset! in their typespec, a missing argument gets passed in as an unset value. Of course in the DO dialect an argument can only be "missing" at the end of the block or script, but that's another issue.
 
@BrianH So that won't work for get-word parameters then
Guess I could've asked RebolBot.
 
4:34 AM
@HostileFork Sure it will, but they're a bad idea for other reasons for these kinds of interactive-use functions.
Lit-word parameters have a couple exceptions to their evaluation blocking that make them useful for this kind of thing. For instance, if you do help (some expression) that expression will be evaluated and you'll get help on the result.
Other functions that do this that are meant for interactive use are ls and cd (and their synonyms).
 
Well so imagine a world where help by itself comes back and tells you something like [help /section {Is a function that reflects information about a Rebol command, and returns structural information about that command in the print dialect. If you want the information flattened into a readable format in the terminal, try print help foo instead of just help foo. A shortcut for printing the help is ? foo. For a general entry point try print help help or ? help.}]
 
@HostileFork don't make our most vulnerable users have to jump through extra hoops. That leads to resentment.
 
help/raw vs just help
If that makes any lingual sense
 
@BrianH I dunno, maybe you guys are right, but I feel the teachability makes it worth it.
I think the only way to know is data.
 
@SomeKittens good idea, with the right refinement name. And that usage could be mentioned in in the text that help prints out when you don't give it a parameter.
 
4:41 AM
Every person who comes in this room, at random, I try a slightly different thing... it's just throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks or not... Rebol has been a marketing miserable failure and poor Carl burned out all his money and his investors money when there was no reason to... it should have succeeded.
 
@HostileFork Hey, it worked for me
 
@SomeKittens Well then we should think about what worked for you and didn't work for user384792875894 or whoever.
 
This is the internet after all. Once people discover that Rebol doesn't solve all their problems in 60 seconds, they leave.
 
@SomeKittens Laziness is an epidemic.
 
We're not trying to attract lazy people (efficient people are another matter). Even if we've only got a 10% conversion rate, that's still pretty good.
lazy people would just clog up the tubes (see what happened to the JS room)
 
4:43 AM
@HostileFork Carl caught the tail end of the commercial development tool market as a social concept. There is no reason that we should have expected it to succeed closed when so many other closed tools failed. The only survivors are platform vendors and domain-specific tools associated with domains with a lot of money.
Get-word parameters are more useful for functions like quote and comment. Those two functions alone would justify them, but they have other interesting uses as well.
bbl
 
@BrianH You rule. I think it has something to do with the name "Brian". :-)
 
Oh, @HostileFork did you ever read my reply email?
 
@SomeKittens I did, it didn't add anything to my understanding of the problem... I hope your application has gone well but I can't do much else for you. I gave you everything I could. :-/
 
ah, ok. Thanks for the effort anyway
 
If you stick around here, you'll be famous and powerful in a few years. I had about $1m by the time I was 25. :-)
 
4:50 AM
That's basically the plan. Three years left.
 
You have to balance it, but since December, Rebol is less of a liability and more of a weapon. The game is on now.
And if Doc succeeds, well, that's going to be a whole new paradigm.
(He says there is no "if", and that failure is not an option.)
 
I like that attitude
 
@SomeKittens He wants Red to be so fast you can build out compiled CGI on the fly, did you watch the talk?
 
@HostileFork to be fair, there was no reason to know ahead of time that the closed tool development market would fail. At the time it seemed like a good idea. It just turned out to be a bad one for reasons that very little to do with principles, and a whole lot to deal with practical issues that weren't known at first.
 
@BrianH Well like you say, it just fails for general purpose languages. If you know your customer and guard your secrets, you can make money today even with that model... for now.
 
4:54 AM
@HostileFork Didn't see the talk. What do you mean?
 
But it is a cultural shift, and eventually people won't accept it... just like people don't accept buying a big encyclopedia set that gets outdated every year, and paying to watch a music video on demand is considered crazy... developers are wising up.
@SomeKittens Doc's DevCon 2013 presentation, subtitled by @KK. - the talk. If you watch that through you will grasp his ambition.
 
@HostileFork So I can't criticize the guy in hindsight for something that is only obvious in hindsight. And there seems to be a thriving market in closed development tools on platforms that are so new that it isn't really established how to develop for them, or even their business model. It reminds me of the spreadsheet-alternate market in the 1990's.
 
Or the app/social media market today
 
@SomeKittens that is what I was talking about above :)
 
@BrianH I don't judge too harshly for that, though people did tell him about the writing on the wall for a long time, and he was slow to listen. I mainly criticize him in the "If Rebol was a child, Carl would be in court and/or jail for criminal negligence" area...
 
5:01 AM
@HostileFork I don't buy that argument. People have been talking out of their ass on both sides for years. You can't look back knowing who won and say that it should have been obvious back then, because it wasn't. And he had a whole company and investors, built around a business model that simply ceased to exist around 2009. We didn't know back then that it had happened, but we do now.
So, no criticism from me. He made bad choices that were understandable, and only bad because of their results. So be it. Moving on.
 
@BrianH In college I read a book by a political theorist who is famous, well in the field of political theory if you follow that, named Francis Fukuyama. Which is a funny name for obvious reasons. But, the book I read was The End of History and the Last Man
And it's a theoretical book about "The Arrow of Time" as it relates to political systems.
And I wouldn't have read something so dry if I weren't being forced to for a class.
But, I will say, it did eventually make an impression on me.
His arguments, to me, apply to software freedom much like political freedom, I think the box has been opened and there's no going back.
So I dunno, you can say "who could have known?" but I say well, maybe you could have.
But that's again not something I get too worked up about, it was open sourced a few years later than it should have been. You say 2009, and okay. If that's when it became obvious, then that's when it should have happened.
It's neither here nor there at this point, we are back to the real problems.
 
@HostileFork I didn't read that in college, more on my own, and I still don't buy it. I wouldn't be surprised if liberal democracy is the furthest along in a progression of the systems we know of today, but it doesn't include stuff that hasn't been thought of yet. There are limits to predictability.
 
@HostileFork no, that's not when it became obvious, that is around when we can pinpoint it happening in retrospect. When it became obvious varies depending on who is looking at it. People who were just working on faith uselessly predicted that their faiths would come true, and everyone else either had the facts or didn't. For most people who really evaluate these things instead of just believing, it became obvious when there was enough data.
 
@BrianH Well, had Rebol less ambition to save the world of general purpose programming, it wouldn't have been spread so thin and could have made money. But what is life worth if you don't have greater ambitions than making a buck.
This Internet deserves a better class of programmer. And we're going to give it to them. :-)
 
5:16 AM
For instance, who would have predicted that the rise of software freedom ended up owing almost nothing to principled freedom, but instead rose due to practical issues that had nothing to do with Stallman's dream? Well, people did predict it, but it wasn't until later, and they didn't predict the downsides early enough. That's why the commercial side of the tools market almost died altogether, closed or not.
 
@BrianH I hope it's temporary.
The number of people who saw The Dark Knight and said: "The joker... really reminded me of you..." was high. :-)
 
@HostileFork hopefully that doesn't include him losing :(
 
@GrahamChiu 'nbsp' isn't a supported word. If you're downloading AltXML, just edit and add "nbsp" to the 'ns map!.
 
@rgchris do you want to support it?
Does chat strip out http? rebol.com
 
5:21 AM
I could, but it's not in XML. Is it just the one entity?
 
so far
@RebolBot devcon
 
@GrahamChiu Not if you push the fixed font button, which is effectively four space indenting on multi-line messages.
 
Thanks bot!
 
@GrahamChiu Now you're just showing off. :-) Aweeesome. I think there should be a wiki, or a GitHub gist, for lookup URLs that we can edit.
RebolBot 10steps, etc.
RebolBot chatfaq
 
5:25 AM
@RebolBot /s "HaikuOS" "Rebol3 on HaikuOS" youtube.com/watch?v=jImeByEkV8Y
@rebotbot help
 
@RebolBot HaikuOS
 
@RebolBot tutorial
 
Guess bot needs more debugging
 
@GrahamChiu I'm impressed so far
I especially like having that icon sitting here in the room all the time. It pleases me. :-)
A warm and fuzzy, but as dt2 might complain... cold and icy feeling. :-)
 
5:29 AM
heh
@RebolBot /s "Test" "Some text" rebol.com
 
@RebolBot /x decode-xml " "
 
@HostileFork that's not too much to ask for these days - see Tupac
 
== none
 
Doesn't like me.
 
@RebolBot /s "Test" "Some text" rebol.com
 
5:38 AM
@Adrian Hehe yeah I saw that. The Backstreet Boys were very forward-looking, they knew it even back in the day. :-P All you people can't you see, can't you see.. how your love is affecting our reality.... Welcome to Business 3.0.
 
@HostileFork I'd love to take Ten Steps and reformat it. I'd have it on rebol.com home page.
 
@RebolBot /s "HaikuOS" "Rebol3 on HaikuOS" youtube.com/watch?v=jImeByEkV8Y
 
@rgchris Well, anyone who has Carl's ear needs to get him to let us fix things. As per Jerry Maguire: "Help us, help you."
 
@HostileFork Failing that, I'd steal it and use it for my own reb4 home page :)
 
@rgchris Well I can call up my DNS hacking friends and we can just take it over I guess.
Seems a bit rude, though.
 
5:41 AM
Stealing content is a little easier than stealing a domain name. I'd imagine.
 
crap .. some sales guys at the door interrupted my debugging
 
I try to stay out of jail these days, though, I don't want to wind up like Julian Assange.
I guess there are perks to being a famous cryptographic enemy of state.
 
@GrahamChiu Pennsylvania deregulated the electricity market for (seemingly) the sole purpose of employing hundreds/thousands of electricity salesfolks.
 
KK.
@HostileFork You gotta let others star some posts just for fun. Like the Assange one. (You can then delete these after a few hours)
 
@KK. It's like I told earl, DON'T QUESTION MY METHODS! :-)
 
5:44 AM
This is @HostileFork's world, we just live in it.
 
See? :-)
 
KK.
@HostileFork Yes. I understand. We all are just puny humans.
 
Trouble is .. there's going to be a rebolution here!
 
@KK. Well when you can write a syntax highlighter that thrashes all the ones in common use, for Rebol, we'll talk about making you a room owner.
 
@RebolBot /s "HaikuOS" "Rebol3 on HaikuOS" youtube.com/watch?v=jImeByEkV8Y
 
5:46 AM
Until then, don't be so reluctant with your blog. :-) It's not a big deal to publish and improve later.
 
KK.
@HostileFork Lets hope I can do that :-)
 
I write garbage all the time and then go back and edit it up to make it better, especially here on StackOverflow Q&A.
 
KK.
@HostileFork It wouldn't be a big deal with the personal blog. But the rebol blog is.. important. And since I am a very, very lazy person, .... I do not think I will ever edit a post.
 
Kaj got on my case for not pushing the Red port sooner so people could help me with it. And he's right, actually. I'm being kind of a dork about it.
I mean, I'm just going through test cases, anyone could help me with those.
 
@RebolBot /s "HaikuOS" "Rebol3 on HaikuOS" youtube.com/watch?v=jImeByEkV8Y
 
5:48 AM
And I don't always feel like programming, didn't work on any coding yesterday, dealing with personal problems and arguing with my apartment building...
 
KK.
Important because when you write for something you believe in (irrespective of whether you understand it or not), you do not want to have your errors being disrepute to that something.
 
@RebolBot /s "HaikuOS" "Rebol3 on HaikuOS" youtube.com/watch?v=jImeByEkV8Y
 
So you might say "well if you'd put the stuff up on github, you might wake up the next day and someone else would fix it, is this an ego thing?"
"Aren't you guilty of what you complain Carl did?"
 
@RebolBot haikuos
 
5:50 AM
@HostileFork ezacly
not that there would be many who could've helped with the porting, at this point
 
@Adrian Well, I listen to feedback, and I think about it. I'm a thoughtful guy. And I concede some of this to Kaj. He doesn't have to be so ungrateful for things like the video edit etc which took time. (It actually goes beyond ungrateful because those guys were actually a bit mad at me... I'm only trying to help.)
 
@GrahamChiu does Bot check for who sets that stuff, or is that still to do?
 
so, if you want the bot to remember a link .. use the following

@bot /s keyword [string!] "Description" [string!] url [url!]
@BrianH anyone can talk to the bot
 
@Adrian Well in fact, I don't want to waste anyone else's time... I want them to focus on what they're doing... and if I'm slow it's in part because I'm trying to do things right and document.
 
Who can clean up bot spam left by trolls? Hopefully we'll have someone looking that over.
 
5:54 AM
@HostileFork I think they did not realise the amount of work that was done on that video
 
(being paranoid about security again)
 
@GrahamChiu, can you set a list of users who can issue commands?
 
trolls ? well, I guess I could check a poster's reputation before adding ..
@Adrian Sure ...
 
the existing SO chat bot has one
 
Can you poll current room owners? Or is that too limiting?
 
5:55 AM
yes, I believe I can check for room owners
 
High-rep trolls then? They can't all be Rebol fans like our dear Fork...
 
You Brians need to chill
 
:)
 
@BrianH Well you guys know all about my techno-shaman dream premonitions. I already have seen the day when we have to deal with it. And I don't know what to tell you other than that I feel we're in good hands, but yes, security is a good thing. I remember when I grasped the Peter Gabriel album "Security" and Shock The Monkey including the allusion to Archangel Gabriel as well as coin flips and NP completeness. It's deep stuff.
I walked into Rebol already understanding what I perceived to be about half of it, yet I learn each day, now as I immerse in the design just as I did with Intentional Programming.
And I realize now, when I thought I understood half of it, I understood less than half. How much less remains to be seen.
It's fun to wander into the world of another designer. :-)
 

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