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Abe
1:13 AM
Evoque Convertible #rooneyfication https://t.co/je105LeFsu
for all the brits ^ :D
@joshhunt limit only works on the outermost query
 
what does that mean?
 
Abe
what is your query?
i just guessed, if you use limit in an inner query that could be the cause
since it has no effect
 
SELECT `save_id`, `updated`
FROM `saved_orders`
GROUP BY `save_id`
ORDER BY `updated` DESC
LIMIT 0, 10
 
Abe
what does 'updated' contain?
 
a date
 
Abe
1:19 AM
and you want to get the most recent one? or the opposite
 
most recent
 
Abe
SELECT `save_id`, MAX(`updated`) AS `updated`
FROM `saved_orders`
GROUP BY `save_id`
ORDER BY `updated` DESC
LIMIT 0, 10
not even sure it works :P
 
what does MAX do?
 
Abe
the same of Math.max() in js
selects the greatest
when you group by "save id" and you have several dates, with that it will pick the most recent date in the collapsed row
MIN() will take the least recent instead
 
oh I see, theoretically they should all have the same date
 
Abe
1:23 AM
@joshhunt so the problem is somewhere else, example data?
 
one sec
sorry phone call, back now
@Abe join my room
 
Abe
2:00 AM
@joshhunt offer me a beer first
... at least :D
 
come visit me and I'll buy you a beer
 
Abe
:D
 
seriously though if you ever come to NZ I'll give you a place to stay
though we live in one of the most boring parts of the country in terms of tourism so you probably wouldn't want to stay long :D
 
 
4 hours later…
Abe
5:52 AM
@joshhunt :D i liked nz especially for that. i like peaceful places
 
6:04 AM
posted on November 10, 2015

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

 
6:18 AM
@Sippy was getting a ping of 62 few days back, now again 106 avg
@ZachSaucier was waiting for your msg, and will check it out..
 
Abe
6:29 AM
I've noticed a key component missing from most (if not all) UI libraries. So I prototyped it: https://gist.github.com/jonathansampson/130ce25e63c3b3ec1af9
2
 
7:13 AM
I defused the bomb! :D
(The binary bomb I was talking about yesterday)
 
Abe
lol, cool!
 
They kept getting more and more complicated as the phases went on
So satisfying, though
There's a secret phase left, which I might try in a bit
 
@SomeGuy Is there a link to this D:? It sounds interesting.
 
Bomb lab
@MethodMan Let me know if you try it!
 
8:04 AM
@SomeGuy That looks really cool. Do I need to sign up to the universities website? D: What is a CS:App account?
 
@MadaraUchiha not running this time?
 
I have a GS:GO account? :P
 
badumtiss
 
8:31 AM
@Kitler Not planning to
Might change, I'm observing the candidates
 
8:46 AM
good morning
 
9:03 AM
o/
!!>Math.max('fury', 'road');
2
 
@StephanMuller "NaN"
 
lol
 
 
1 hour later…
10:09 AM
@MethodMan No, you don't need anything
Just download the file and start disassembling
 
M E T H O D, man!
Hey, you, get off my cloud, you don't know me and you don't know my style! Who be gettin flam when they come to a jam here I am, here I am, the method man
 
lol
 
Wu Tang Clan for lyf
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One day ascii art will be the equivalent of cave paintings by today's standards
here's to hoping that day arrives soon
 
10:27 AM
@Sippy Aint nuthing ta fuck wit
 
so Method Man was part of Wu Tang... I don't know anything about rap
 
@GNi33 yuupp. I thought it would be funny because of the programming methods and stuff. You know. Slightly punny.
 
10:59 AM
In this code header tag does not add any value for presentation. what is the advantage of using header tag?
 
General question: Is it considered bad practise when I use temporary background-colors for my markup elements in CSS while developing and remove them once I am done? I always use it as a way to inspect an element...
@overexchange See this thread: stackoverflow.com/questions/7399904/…
 
@GNi33 No sir, you do not.
I feel kinda weird being a nerd that's into gangster rap.
Like I'm whiter than white.
I'm Whiteboy Slim
 
Whiteboy white
I'm like that too I suppose
My wife is italian, and she has a slightly darker tone
By comparison to everyone here, it makes me look pale
 
11:16 AM
Italy is the land of the tanned
You are pale, bitch
 
11:26 AM
my wife says i'm bianco latte which translates to "white as milk"
 
Du bist weiß wie Milch
 
11:40 AM
@Neil Lol.
Do you speak Italian fluently?
Or do you speak food Italian?
 
Not sure what food Italian is, but I'm fairly sure I speak the other one, fluently
I sort of have to know it to live here ;)
 
Food Italian is where you can order food fluently in Italian but you can't conversate.
My dad lived in Italy for 2 years and only spoke food Italian.
 
It took me a while to get to this point
I still lack the words to say certain things
And to someone who doesn't know what that's like, it's incredibly frustrating, like you were still a child or something
those moments are not common these days though fortunately
 
crl
!!>Math.max(...[1, 2])
 
@crl "NaN"
@crl 2
 
crl
11:44 AM
stupid me
problem: I'm trying to make a CMS, the admin interface shows a current page of the user. The user can have its own scripts and css, and I'd prefer to do it without putting that page view in an iframe (because lots of DnD, modals between the 2). How can I prevent the CSS of the page to alter the admin interface, (and vice-versa)?
developers.google.com/web/updates/2012/03/… would have been ideal, but I guess it's abandonned
 
hi guys, do you have any ideas to this problem: stackoverflow.com/questions/33614346/… ?
 
posted on November 10, 2015 by Mary Lou

An experimental interactive room slideshow based on the prototype concept by Bilal Mechairia's Dribbble shot "Spaces". Interactive Room Display was written by Mary Lou and published on Codrops.

 
crl
12:01 PM
would I need to do some class context like: input.user {font-size: 18px;} input.admin{font-size: 18px;} ?
for isolating the user view and the admin view
is it doable to modify all bootstrap.css or semantic.css to be 'scoped' with a 'admin' class? in this way
 
crl
12:24 PM
iframe is the only way guys?
trying to make DragnDrop between iframes, but I don't like this idea..
 
1:24 PM
@crl If you're writing the CSS of the pages yourself you can scope it, otherwise you have to use an iframe
Well, I suppose it'd be possible to add a custom class to that page, edit all of their stylesheets and scope everything in terms of that added class.... that'd be sucky to make and not very performant though
 
 
2 hours later…
3:14 PM
Hi guys, does anyone here work/has worked for a web development company?
 
?
 
That's like walking into a graphic design club and asking if anyone has worked/works for a design agency
the answer is of course, most of us have
 
Actually you're wrong. A lot of these users do web dev on the side and work in retail lmfao
 
yea because you obviously know the regular users of this chatroom better than me
 
3:26 PM
Jesus, please please get that head out of your own ass
 
that's a great way to get the help you desire
and to make friends
 
I just wanted to ask a general question rather than get victimized by a keyboard warrior
 
"victimized"? Please
 
"That's like walking into a graphic design club and asking if anyone has worked/works for a design agency" Dude, no need for sarcastic comment. Okay I get it, you wanted the "regular users" of your crew to give you ratings
 
@KTOV Do you have an axe to grind? Sure Zach's comment was sarcastic but it hardly merits your response
 
3:30 PM
wth are you even saying
"give you ratings"?
 
A star, whatever they're called, it doesn't matter.
@TylerH All I asked was a general question, this dude could not contain himself and had to be a sarcastic freak
 
@KTOV I think you're overreacting quite a bit
 
You must have a hard time in life, believing that everyone is out to get you
 
No actually I don't. I just despise people like you who think it's funny to be a dick online.
 
Are you going to ask your question or just QQ?
 
3:39 PM
@KTOV It sounds like you woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Please stop being so confrontational.
(though it would help if Zach didn't egg you on)
 
@TylerH :P
you can't judge the character of a person by being completely formal with them
 
@TylerH Perhaps I am overreacting, but maybe I'm just the spark that's needed to give this dude some sense that it's not needed. Shit like that, is what ruins peoples days. Not even days, people actually take stuff like that to heart. You need to realize, people out there lack in confidence, perhaps they're scared to speak in real life because they know the sarcastic shit they get online they'll get outside in the real world?
 
@KTOV I feel pretty confident that you won't change Zach's outlook on life by your words here
 
I'm sorry that me saying "Of course we have" upset you
 
Well that's up to him. If he's the "avid" christian he says he is surely he'd see some sense
You've quoted "Of course we have" but where have you actually said it?
 
3:43 PM
No sense in continuing this discussion
 
All I see is "lol" and "That's like walking into a graphic design club and asking if anyone has worked/works for a design agency"
 
Anyway, "scared to speak" doesn't seem to describe you. To answer your original question, yes, some people in this room work or have worked for web development companies.
 
I wasn't describing myself. It's matters I want stopping, but it never will
 
@TylerH What sort of experience have you gained from working in Web development companies?
 
3:47 PM
I'm not one of the people whose worked for a web development firm. I do website and web application development at a hospital system
 
@KTOV (honest question) what type of answer are you looking to get from that question?
It's quite open ended
 
Most of the room owners and regulars here are, I believe, currently freelance web developers
 
@TylerH I don't think most are freelance
at least full time
 
@TylerH How about experience you've gained as a developer?
 
@ZachSaucier I'm considering even long term contracts (1.5 years) as freelance, e.g. if it's not open-ended ongoing employment somewhere
@KTOV That's a pretty broad topic, but I've gained lots of useful experience, mostly gained from working with other, more experienced developers
that applies to Stack Overflow as much as my job
 
3:51 PM
whoa you have 7k now
one of these days you're going to pass me xD
 
@ZachSaucier yeah, since you stopped answering :-P
 
I can't bring myself to hang out on Q&A
1) because I get paid too much when I choose to work and 2) because it depresses me every time I try
I only answer questions I run into doing other things and there's no good answer currently these days
 
@TylerH What sort of useful experience?
 
crl
@ZachSaucier ok, thanks, yes the idea is to let users put all the css they want (from any lib too) so... iframe
 
I want to know experience in general rather than the things you've learnt, if you get what I mean?
 
3:58 PM
I don't know what you mean by "useful" experience
I've learned new languages and styles of thinking/working, learned more software tools, become more experienced with dealing with inept people/bureaucracies/non tech people, etc.
 
The experience you've gained by working among a team of developers
 
We don't have much teamwork at my current job; there's only 4 people in my group and we all work on different things
 
So basically you learn a lot of things because you do bits of everything since it being a small company?
 
It's a fairly large company but the web development aspect is very small. The IT department I'm part of has about 60 people and its own two-story building, but there are about 2,000 - 2,500 other employees here.
But yes, I've had to learn a lot of things that aren't related to web development
 
Thats cool, thanks dude
 
4:05 PM
for example I sometimes get asked to make PDFs, which actually offends me a little
 
lmao
 
since my job title is Web Developer, not PDF form builder
 
I wonder if that's a job title
 
crl
quick question top: -8px doesn't work only on FF? is there a remedy? idea is to center vertically the blue rectangle on the blue line (works on all browsers except FF)
 
@crl Firefox supports the top property just fine...
 
crl
4:10 PM
hmm ok
I wish you could do .parent:hover > .handle { ..}
 
you can with jQuery
 
crl
when you hover .parent, it applies thing on its .handle child, yes in JS possible
 
wait
if you just want that behavior it should work in CSS
 
crl
 
crl
4:18 PM
right, thanks, it should work, let me try harder :)
 
@SomeGuy go defuse some bombs!
 
@TylerH :D
All done!
 
@SomeGuy I've signed up for like 30 classes but don't have time for any of them X-D
:-(
 
Ooh, I should google around! Maybe there are more!
@TylerH Aww, what kinds of classes?
Can't you even make 30 mins in the entire day, here and there?
 
@SomeGuy maybe...
haha that takes commitment!
Um... let me see
 
4:20 PM
That's how I used to do it during college
I've had a week or so of holidays now, so I'm being super productive
I started watching videos at like 2x because of my college-related time constraints, and now it's become a habit. Having the entire day to myself, I run through so much material!
Y'all may have seen it already
But it's still a great resource
 
yeah, you showed me that one, thanks
 
@SomeGuy damn man
 
@Loktar I used to think 2x was fast. I watch some stuff at 2.25-2.5x even now
 
hahah jeeze
 
My sister always tells me how funky the videos look over my shoulder :P
 
4:23 PM
chipmunk voices
that is a good idea though
 
Hahaha yeah, it sounds weird if I hear these instructors talking at 1x
@Loktar Are you taking any courses?
 
no :/
been so busy at work, just working then going home drained
however I'm deving in react/es6 constantly
so not not learning
but nothing structured
 
@SomeGuy Greatest Unsolved Mysteries of the Universe, Electromagnetism, The Violent Universe, Fundamentals of Neuroscience Parts1 and 2, Autonomous Mobile Robots, World of Wine, Macronutrients and Overnutrition, etc.
 
As long as you do what you can!
 
@SomeGuy nice!
 
4:25 PM
@TylerH Can't you do some on your commute?
(If you don't drive / walk, obviously)
 
I drive
 
You can still hear the lectures, I guess
Depends on the course how important the video aspect is
 
in America everyone drives unless you live literally inside a big city
and have money for public transit
 
Fair enough. I drive to college too :P
But when I used to take the train / bus, I'd get a ton more reading done on the commute
 
yeah I can't wait for self driving cars so I can have that time of my life back
whenever I go on trips with people I tend to drive because I don't trust them to be skilled/safe drivers often
 
4:29 PM
@TylerH Yeah, I can imagine a time when you'll have to go to specific tracks to drive manually
 
case in point I hung out with an old college buddy and one of his female friends who was still in college and she drove us around a little bit in her car... she drove 25mph the whole time staring at her phone texting
I was like "i'm glad we're only driving like a quarter of a mile because I don't want to die"
(that's 40km/h and 0.4km for you international folks)
 
Haha. I do hate people who drive irresponsibly too
@TylerH Thank you!
 
a quarter of a mile is easy if you've ever seen a fast and furious movie
it's the distance they race in around ~10 seconds
aka a "ten-second car"
 
Haha I haven't watched any
 
coincidentally that's a measure of a fast human, too
when you can run 100meters in under 10 seconds, you'll likely qualify for an Olympic team
@SomeGuy You'd probably enjoy them somewhat
 
4:34 PM
Oh, a quirk. I watch movies at 1.25x sometimes
They just seem too slow!
 
they start out very car-sy, then around the 4th one they become more action movie than car movies
 
which is better to <link> to css or @import? @import 'css/content.css';
 
@TylerH Oh, really? I thought they were all action movies
 
and number 6 and 7 are just ridiculous
@SomeGuy nah #s 1 - 3 are pretty much about street racing 100%
 
I'll watch them eventually, then!
 
4:35 PM
just know that the numerical order is not the chronological order
They go 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 3, 7
so if you want to watch them in a way that makes sense, watch them in that order
@JoJo there's nothing wrong with just linking to it
 
@TylerH Erm, what the fuck? How'd that happen?
 
@TylerH kk.. always linked for years but for some reason.. I imported here... lol thought maybe things had changed.. maybe I heard something.
 
@SomeGuy #3 is called Tokyo Drift and I guess they had time constraints or commitment constraints or something
maybe writer strike? I dunno
 
So it was canceled and finished later?
 
but they decided to do #3 I guess to introduce Han so that he'd be familiar in #4, 5, 6 etc.
no #3 came out 3rd
it just takes place in-universe after #6
 
4:39 PM
Haha okay
 
Sorry to interrupt all. I asked this before and didn't get any feedback but you guys were in a hype of discussion on something else. Ask again: I'm creating ui buttons for my web app / site ... I have a whole bunch of different buttons for actions .. eg. opening a modal, saving something or a refine a filter button. For the best practice and for seo ... should I use links for such buttons when no linking is actually done or div blocks (no semantic meaning) with special cursors assigned to them?
 
I'd use <button>
 
hrmmm @Elizabeth just make div buttons
 
I don't know about SEO, though
 
crl
s/on//
 
4:42 PM
@JoJo That's what I thought but divs have no meaning at all and is not semantic.
 
why do you care though, would semantic help a screen reader there or something?
 
crl
seo! man
 
And there's Fast & Furious 8 coming out in 2017 apparently
 
div buttons would help SEO, making the text readable
 
@TylerH Ooh, thank you! That's awesome
 
4:45 PM
If you do watch them in chronological order, the very end (post credits scene) of #6 spoils the end of Tokyo Drift, so be careful
it wasn't a big deal when it came out because Tokyo Drift came out first
 
@JoJo I was told semantic is very important in web development for seo.
 
@JoJo how come I see so many designers use links for ui buttons .. is it only for the cursor?
 
@TylerH I'll keep that in mind!
 
@Elizabeth cursor can be styled with css
div:hover { cursor: pointer; }
 
4:49 PM
@Elizabeth links have built-in action on click so they can double up the functionality of a link button with no performance cost over a non-link button
 
@SomeGuy Take a look at this too. It tells you bout the <button> element. Thanks @JoJo1
@Billy That's what I thought.
@TylerH Oh, is that why designers use them.. they get lazy?
 
Well as the saying goes "good programmers are lazy"
write as little code as necessary to do what you want, etc.
dont repeat yourself, all that good stuff
 
4
Q: CSS Horizontal Menu: display: inline AND block? Make link cover whole LI?

MrBubblesNormally, to make the link fill out the whole li, I use display: block;. But with a horizontal menu, I need to set it to display:inline; so it goes in one line. I've tried display:inline-block; but that doesn't help. I've seen horizontal menus that accomplish this, but I can't find out how from t...

 
with an anchor tag you can have onclick behavior for anything you want via JavaScript and have a built-in link option if you want, or new tab/window/modal open
 
jsfiddle.net/xv4e8k9z/1 why not use anchor tags again @Elizabeth?
 
4:55 PM
Anchor tags was what I meant when I said links or divs.
I see everyone using anchor tags, but for my ui buttons there really is no linking to be done to any other page except an action.
 
cool
 
The reason I asked is because I see the vast majority using it ... is this because anchor tags cause more semanticness or other benefits in best practice or seo. Since the web app I'm developing needs to be in high speed, best practice and ranked high.
 
@Elizabeth Semantic is just a synonym for meaningfulness
People use anchor tags because they're easy and that's what they had to use before things like <button> were available
 
crl
ew, I realise only now that <a> stands for anchor.. took me some time
 
5:04 PM
@Elizabeth making a link look like a button helps to draw the eye towards it. you dont want to do this for every link, of course, but you do want to do this for elements that you want your users to find/use
 
I see no reason for @Elizabeth to not use a <button> element in this case as it completes the requirements of being seo friendly, semantic and fast.
 
@JoJo the button element heavily implies form submission, from a semantic standpoint.
 
@Elizabeth if something behaves like a button, use a <button>
 
5:13 PM
I have quite a few action buttons to be made. Because I'm developing more of a web app .. there is a lot of actions. Eg. Nav Menu button, open a help modal button, jump to top button, favourite button, bookmark button, share button ... etc.
@TylerH Haha. You love jsfiddle.
 
It's very useful
 
generally speaking, unless youre actually using a form, you probably dont want to use the button element.
i wouldnt use one for a "jump to the top of the page", but i could see one for favoriting because it is sending data back to the server.
 
I use buttons just to keep users occupied throughout the browsing experience of my page
just place a button at a random location that says "click me! ...you know you want to"
and then it moves
 
@cimmanon What about the nav menus?
like burger button
 
@Elizabeth you can use anything for that
 
5:19 PM
@TylerH thats so old... but the one i saw was "how do you keep a dummy busy? click here" :p
 
I typically use <li> elements
@cimmanon hehehe
 
which is just a variation on "how do you keep a blond busy? flip it over" on a piece of paper. the same thing is written on both sides
 
I did a similar prank in middle school
 
@cimmanon haha. +1.
 
I printed out a hundred different official looking signs and placed them on doors in my school to rooms that had two doors in separate locations
each sign said "please use other door"
Turns out it's actually fascinating how easy it is to influence the flow of pedestrian traffic
 
5:23 PM
Hahaha
 
i had a hamburger style menu button as part of a responsive design a few years ago, where the button was an illusion. it was a pseudo element, and the onclick handler was on the parent element. kinda wished id been able to fully flesh that out.
 
Okay. So conclusion: Buttons that sends data back to the server ... even outside of a form ... use <button>s. Buttons that needs no herf ... use div. Buttons that could benefit from a bit of change in the url (eg. modal .. or jump to top) ... use links ... anyhow I would need to know how to change url back when modal closes.
How does the conclusion sound?
I could still be wrong.
@cimmanon I love to see your work if you could dig it up.
 
@Elizabeth its permanently gone. long story.
 
@TylerH Great experiment! I could never do something like that. Too goody two shoes! :P My school years were lame. Easier for boys though.
@cimmanon :(
 
@cimmanon I usually use one <li> element with a ::before and ::after
@Elizabeth You cant really change a URL back to something unless you go back to a previous web page
 
5:31 PM
here is a quick demo, but it uses hover instead of click: codepen.io/anon/pen/bVQWKK
 
If you just want to stay on a page, you can use a CSS or JavaScript modal "window" which basically just pops up an element in front of the page and looks like a window but it isn't actually a window
!!afk lunch
 
@cimmanon Neat. You could do a lot with pseudo elements css-tricks.com/pseudo-element-roundup
So is ui action buttons meaningless?
Because it seems that no matter what I use ... they all seem to be meaningless.
 
not sure what you mean by that
 
If you don't like those meaningless href's, a <button> can seem like a nice alternative. But unfortunately outside of the context of a <form>, a <button> is equally meaningless.
By chris coyier
And if I use divs, they are also meaningless.
 
buttons arent meant for navigation, thats all. "go to the top of the page" is navigation
 
5:45 PM
@TylerH We could use url manipulation right?
 
@Elizabeth TylerH is afk: lunch
 
@CapricaSix Got it!
 
she is a bot :p
 
Honestly?
 
yep
 
5:46 PM
You're joking right?
 
!!help
 
@cimmanon Information on interacting with me can be found at this page
 
!!whoosh
 
@Sippy was that directed at me or her? because ive seen people come in here and flirt with the bot
 
5:49 PM
I'd flirt with her
 
probably get further with the bot than a real girl, amirite? :p
 
!!/listcommands
 
@CapricaSix Wanna come up and see my oil paintings?
 
@Elizabeth 3, 666, help, listen, eval, coffee, refresh, forget, info, listcommands, tell, afk, ban, unban, convert, define, doge, google, hang, imdb, jquery, learn, put..it..back...ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ, phucket, gtfo, moneycantbuylove, catmode, coffeetime, lifeban, stopmyself, instagram, kendallfrey, excited, manigga, meinneger, dgaf, infiniteriot, okay, feelsgoodman, fabulous, sausage, playerpimp, installjavascript, moarkittens, kendall, kfc, uwot, nsfw, facepalm, somekittens, erase, fry, dudeism
hahastillhere, onebox, morecoffee, steve, whoosh, burn, woosh, roomowner, phony, really, inur, coffeescript
 
!!tell Elizabeth sandbox
 
5:50 PM
@Elizabeth Please go and play in the Sandbox
 
Hah
!!phterp
 
Long shall it be remembered!
 
!!poopslide
 
@cimmanon That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
5:52 PM
that not the right command for that one?
 
!!slidepoop
 
Wow. This is really neat. I never knew till today. She just seem ... different.
 
in JavaScript, Mar 13 '13 at 1:40, by rlemon
(Random Fact, when rlemon was 13 he pooped on a slide. he isn't proud of it, but he felt it was time to confess. I'm sorry slide.)
 
Haha. So strict. I thought she was the moderator.
No wonder she never helps!
@cimmanon So use a button for go to the top of the page? Now I'm confused. Maybe I'm overestimating the importance of these buttons but my whole app is going to be action buttons and I want to be consistence and semantic.
 
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