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9:12 AM
@The6thSense I like A song of ice and fire and Black sails, if I confine my time line to recent fiction.
 
9:58 AM
@RomanLuštrik haven't seen them :P.
 
10:28 AM
If you've heard of Game of thrones - it was done after a book series called A song of ice and fire.
 
Yeah heard of that it is in my series to watch list :P.
 
 
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11:57 AM
GOT is nice, books have a fairly complex world.
Black sails is the prequel to Treasure island by Stevenson.
 
12:30 PM
Evening all \o
Yet another busy day, coming back home now.
 
12:41 PM
Morning @josliber \o
afk Need to eat something for sustenance
 
@BhargavRao Thanks for reminding me, I feel like making a sandwich as well.
 
 
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2:14 PM
back on board
 
 
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3:15 PM
Hi @Andrie \o
 
3:34 PM
\o/
 
Hello @Jon :-)
 
What a surprise to see you here :)
 
Yep, I dunno which room is this
 
my sarcasm obviously wasn't strong enough - shall I try again?
 
Listening Instrumental atm
Became busy after taking up a new proj
 
3:59 PM
@BhargavRao Morning!
 
Good morning @josliber, Have a great day ahead!
afk Dinner time
 
4:26 PM
@BhargavRao oh - what you making me for dinner? :p
 
4:41 PM
btw @Jon , we're still not clear on what's missing as far as community backing to get a dataframe tag made chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/29753953#29753953 and, of course, we're still getting more questions that need retagging stackoverflow.com/posts/36432202/revisions
 
5:04 PM
@Frank why ask me? :p
 
Back
@JonClements Whaddya like apart from Scooby Snacks? :P
 
well, if you've got a lamb shish kebab going - I'm up for it :p
 
Sure! I'm sending some across for you :P
 
5:22 PM
@JonClements deferring to Bhargav's decision to ask you
but also, you already had a look and drew a conclusion, but it wasn't clear, so faster to get you to clarify than to ask another mod to take a look (... and they'd no doubt also want to know how running it by you went)
i'd be fine with asking josilber if you don't have time or feel qualified to judge the extent of community backing for the idea
 
okay - I'm not an R expert - I do work sometimes in pandas - however, I don't consider myself qualified to exert any opinion I'm afraid
 
ok np
 
josilber is definitely an R expert, but he's not a pandas one - so it's swings and roundabouts I guess
mods will generally support a community decision - we'll act on those wishes if it's beneficial - until it can be proven one way or t'other, or is a real problem in the mean time, we tend to not get involved that much
 
@JonClements the relevant question is "what do you recognize as a community decision?" then
 
@jon mea culpa, I thought you knew [pandas] so I jumped in.
 
5:28 PM
@BhargavRao oh - I do know - but it's quite different from
 
again, if you don't feel qualified to recognize a community decision here, that's okay. but maybe you can clarify what you mean by the term...
 
@Frank I think a post was already raised on meta re: the dataframes?
 
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Q: “One frame to rule them all.” How to handle [data.frame]/[dataframes] mistagging

Procrastinatus MaximusRecently, David Arenburg posted a feature-request to warn r users from adding the dataframes tag and instead encourage them to use the data.frame tag. This issue was brought up about a year ago as well, with a request to retag all mistagged questions. In a community effort more than a week ago we...

 
yeah, which was a follow up to a post a year earlier
and another more recently
the only disagreement was from Braiam , who could not be bothered to edit to clarify what he meant ...
 
@Frank If the community can reach a consensus on what should be done for instance?
 
5:32 PM
@JonClements the community backed my idea, sure looks like. regarding whether we talked to enough people...
in GMTs, 20 hours ago, by Frank
i mean, we've consulted pythoners to the extent possible, i guess, and it seems spark is too small for much additional feedback (and besides, they do have and so would not really be affected until/unless they wanted to syn that against the proposed )
in GMTs, 20 hours ago, by Frank
not sure about julia. no one's reached out to them yet, i guess, but we've only got 45 qs in that intersection http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/julia-lang%20dataframes?mode=all
also, i'm not sure you saw/got this point:
 
and mods can only bulk rename tags - not go through each and every post to make edits
 
in GMTs, 20 hours ago, by Frank
@JonClements anyways, just to clarify, the request is that you help us make a new tag, the community could still be left to do the synonymizing
@JonClements we are asking that a tag be created. the community is blocked from creating a tag called [dataframe] because [dataframes] exists
after the tag is created, the community takes over, synonymizing against it
 
okay - I missed that bit then, my bad
 
R folks will not be imposing their will on others, since the others are free to synonymize or not
np
 
need to be careful though - syn'ing tags is not always the best route
 
5:35 PM
i mean, we're open to other ideas (which is why the meta post was made). what cons do you have in mind?
 
@Jon what's your thoughts/opinion on the other answer? - Making different tags for [python] and [r] dataframes?
 
well, it's potentially possible that the same tag has been used across various things, so would require human editing - not just a bulk rename
 
@JonClements by bulk rename, you mean synonymizing? yeah, we tried to take stock of all of its uses... luckily the term means the same thing in every context -- tabular data with columns potentially having different data types
Braiam (below the other answer) raised one concern -- we'd be giving more people dupe-closure powers, but quantitatively that doesn't seem like a big deal
 
if anyone wants to laugh - my fist ever entry into SO
 
@JonClements gimmetehcodez ಠ_ಠ
 
5:41 PM
wow, that post went very well. my first answer was some ugliness involving plotting a matrix and then my first question was self-deleted within a few minutes (don't remember what about)
 
@Frank search "deleted:1", sort by time and that'll be the last one
 
@BhargavRao well, I'd like to think I've come a long way in the four years :)
 
> I think if someone would be so kind to point
Puppy was still young :P
 
@BhargavRao ah here we go: stackoverflow.com/q/13368771/1191259 since then, i've abandoned learning plyr and ggplot2 and never looked back
 
@JonClements Didn't ya find some Ninjas in any chatroom? (like how I did :P)
 
5:44 PM
still waiting for my kebab :p
 
I've sent it through DHL :/
@Frank data.table then?
 
Ideas floating around?
 
@Jon so, uh, still not sure where this dataframes thing stands...? shall we wait for josliber or is there a technical obstacle to your making the tag, too?
 
well, will it help you do a clean up?
 
@BhargavRao yeah, data.table is a good sub for plyr, but i still can't make pretty graphs (what ggplot2 is for). i've just gotten by with ugly ones
@JonClements i'm not sure what you are thinking needs a cleanup. if the tag is made, the synonimization is just a matter of a few votes. there will be no mistagged questions after it (unless i'm missing something)
 
5:46 PM
Be careful bout ggplot2 when Didzis is in the room :P
 
hey, i'm not dissing ggplot2. wish i knew how to use it. plotting is messy in any language, seems like
 
@Frank okay - let's this the other way around - if I create a dataframe tag - how does that differ from dataframes?
@Frank try matplotlib at your own risk :p
 
@JonClements it serves as a target for synonymization. we will give it a wiki that is generic enough to apply to all uses (as in my answer). then, each tag can synonymize against it if they want to -- and it seems that they do
yeah, i've seen matplotlibs graphs. it sure does look good
 
use some "seaborn" with that - they look fantastic
 
oh, haven't heard of that before
 
5:50 PM
okay um... so if I create a dataframe tag - you'll go through posts and re-tag appropriately?
 
@JonClements no. i will go to the synonymization interface for and cast my vote. i think you are imagining that after synonymization there will be mistagged posts, but... there won't. even after is synonymized against it, we found no instances of posts where the new wiki and tag name would not be suitable
we conducted all the searches, like dataframes -python -python-2.7, etc.
 
@JonClements yes, isn't it the case that if we set up dataframe and then vote dataframes as a synonym for it that those are retagged automatically. again, this may be a technical thing that i am missing
 
For data.frame in R and Python Pandas, use - nope
 
nope to what?
 
5:55 PM
Pandas doesn't have a "data.frame"
it's "pandas.DataFrame"
same concept, different naming, but not related
 
"but not related" -- oh, really?
oh, just a sec...
 
perhaps you should raise these arguments again on meta?
 
these are not new arguments; they're the same as on meta. the new thing is Roman's edit http://stackoverflow.com/posts/15156981/revisions

that edit does mean that 3000 qs need to be retagged as of now... not sure why he did that. guess we'll ask
and get back to you
anyway, yeah, i see what you mean he should have written DataFrame
@Roman so i guess you volunteered to retag 3000 python questions :)

(see conversation above)
 
at the end of the day - mods are exception handlers - we can do bulk operations if needs be, but we generally just sit in the background clearing up all the shit you hopefully never see to make your time enjoyable. We'll assist in stuff if it needs us to do so... ookay?
If it was in my area of expertise - I'd be on it. I'm just not convinced either way to make a judgement call. Sorry.
 
i am familiar with that characterization of a mod. what was is not clear here is your saying that you would intervene if there was community consensus -- and there is such consensus in this instance.

we are asking you as a mod, not as an expert in this area
40 mins ago, by Jon Clements
okay - I'm not an R expert - I do work sometimes in pandas - however, I don't consider myself qualified to exert any opinion I'm afraid
yes, but obviously your "opinion" is not something you should act on as a mod in any case
so that brings us back to the question of what constitutes adequate community consensus, ... ooookay?
and no need for such condescension when it is you who are (as far as i can tell) missing what i'm saying, and not the other way around...
anyway, like i said, i'm fine with waiting to hear if Roman has some other idea behind his edit
 
6:08 PM
I apologise if what I've said was perceived as "condescension" - that certainly wasn't the intent
 
well, that's what "...ookay?" means where i come from. like "i can't believe i have to tell you this. are you so thick?" anyway, that's getting a little meta, and i understand if you say it was not intended
 
bah - if you have the (in)fortune of getting to know me a little better etc... - I'm a really good puppy.
 
:)
 
@Frank That one - I've never really worked out
 
yeah, seems fuzzy
 
6:11 PM
sometimes things will hang for over two years, or sometimes they'll just go straight done kinda thing
 
Hmm, I leave the tab and go and see 23 messages. Another good day for the room
 
haha... @Frank and I in a constructive debate
 
yep, nice to have the room here for that use
 
@Frank I'll keep an eye on the post though (if that matters any to you).
 
ok thanks
 
6:14 PM
I'm sure you and @BhargavRao will remind me :p
 
Hey, wait I am still reading the "constructive debate" :(
You guys already are calling it off
 
@BhargavRao it's not going anywhere
the internet never forgets
 
might even drop Jos a ping - see what he thinks
 
Yep, It will stay here :D
 
ahh... need to replace a window
bought a really nice 600w sound bar
so put it up stairs (in the spareroom's window sill), turned it up to max to see if I could still hear it
 
6:18 PM
Wut? Sound destroyed a window?
Is it real?
 
cracked window :(
really great sound though :p
 
@JonClements Heh, Again Puppy-Hooman commn probs. Lol'd at that :P
@JonClements What about your ears?
 
well, thankfully I was down stairs and it's a wifi jobby, so turned it off after a few secs.
 
How did you come to know that the window cracked before pausing? Did it make a louder noise than the sound bar? :P
 
nope - just thought - omfg that's loud - went back upstairs - cracked window
 
6:22 PM
Thanks for the tip BTW, will never buy a sound bar again
Sigh, This week's newsletter has leaned a lot towards C and Java family ;_;
 
not the first time I've done this though :(
you know that scene from "The Matrix" where the helipcopter crashes into the side of the building?
 
How many windows have you broken?
Yep, kinda remember that
 
heh, i'd give up a window if it meant i had a helo
 
I'd bought a 7.1 surround sound system
plus I put it through my pre-amp, amp and post-amp sighs
so volume level 8 was noisy enough - it went to 60 though
so err, had a few beers one night with friends, watching that matrix scene, idiot thinking - you know what "I'll turn this up!"
 
> few beers
That tells ya the story
 
6:29 PM
ah, that was a totally different direction than i expected. thought you'd say you had a remote-controlled minichopper and flew it into your window
 
That - when the heli crashes into the building - was completely loud
@BhargavRao oh well - I'm still human puppy, right?
 
Thanks to a chemistry proj, 4 years back. I haven't been drunk anytime
 
drunkenly blew up your chem lab?
 
Haha, Nope
The project was Drugs, Alcohol, cigarettes and their effects
 
6:44 PM
ah ok, meth lab. yeah, it's bad when those blow up ;)
 
I read the news somewhere that they burnt a whole farm of weed and the entire ton went high for 3 days
 
See ya \o
 
\o\
 
6:57 PM
palindromic rep again! woot!
 
It will be nice when it is 66666
 
sadly wondering if I can get to 66666 :)
@BhargavRao beat me to it :p
 
Lol, you'll be there at 100,000 soon
Yay, Ninjad the Ninja puppy
 
well, seem to be getting 50/60 a day without doing anything - just existing stuff... so who knows - time will tell
 
My curve seems flat after I reached 20k, That was 3 months back
Got lots of new projects and became busy with other stuff
 
7:04 PM
yeah... I started off with a simple Q, then answered a lot, aimed for Python gold badge, then err, carried on until 20k, then figured, I've got all the stuff on the site anyway...
kept on answering for a bit - then turned my focus to the Python room and it's community and... decided to run for mod etc... etc...
 
So that's how you become a mod, Hmmm ...
scribbles in notepad
 
lol
and quite frankly - don't be too worried about being an SO mod - it looks exciting from the outside, but there's a lot of work to do - you're also open to more criticism etc... etc...
 
Yep, At the moment I am focusing more on my studies
That's what my SO Guru also told me, choose project, others can wait ;)
Hi @m0nhawk \o
 
@BhargavRao Hi/
 
@m0nhawk Hello, seeing you at a later time than usual. Hope all's fine there :)
 
7:13 PM
sometimes I wish we could show the community the messages we receive :(
 
@BhargavRao oh we got worse than that - one mod has had phone calls to his office, two of us have had death threats on twiter... etc.. .etc...
 
That one mod is Brad, rite?
 
maybe? :p
 
He was telling me that story the other day ;)
Brad is like teh transparent mod. He doesn't care about mod rules when it comes to transparency, that makes me respect him a LOT <- in caps :P
 
7:18 PM
@BhargavRao Brad's a great guy - I admire him - just don't tell him that :p
 
Haha, K sure. :P
 
7:34 PM
bah... wondered why my netflix was going a bit slow
probably would help if I wasn't downloading 880gb at the same time
 
What are you downloading?
The entire DBPedia dump is 30GB
 
A database I need to work on in the morning
 
Hmm, Sounds like you work on Panama Papers
 
Their dump is 2.2 TB :D
Hello @DavidRobinson \o
I wanted to ask Robin sumthin but I forgot :-(
 
7:38 PM
@BhargavRao hello
 
the entire dump would be 12TB
I've just taken 2016
 
Oh yeah, The April Fool repo, @DavidRobinson Where's it?
 
@BhargavRao You missed it? Take a look at my blog
 
@JonClements Are you storing it on a server or somewhere?
 
7:39 PM
@BhargavRao Just was having some go out for a while. :)
 
@BhargavRao To my laptop for the mean time
 
@DavidRobinson adblockr sounds nice :P
reading now
@m0nhawk Hope you enjoyed the breeze :-)
@JonClements 2TB space?
 
2x2tb ssds - 230tb NAS
 
Wow, Which laptop's that? Sounds insanely powerful
 
custom build
2 quad cores blah blah
battery life is pretty much non existent though - even if you put in two batteries
 
7:47 PM
@BhargavRao Fresh air with a bicycle is awesome.
 
@JonClements Wonder what'll happen to you lap though :P
@m0nhawk Yep, true! :-)
 
9:09 PM
Bye all, Time to sleep \o
 

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