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2:59 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
"I've been made aware the posts were not self deleted, and that would have been what I'd like to see simply due to the scale and amount of work needed." Note that users in this situation would generally be unable to self-delete a large number of posts like this due to the rate limit on deleting one's own posts. — Ryan M ♦ just now
 
3:18 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
..... I mean, this isn't exactly a normal situation... — Journeyman Geek 22 secs ago
 
3:37 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dijkgraaf
Do you mean to remove the Tag synonyms from [generic-programming] to [generics]? Or are you proposing that all 51,165 (currently) questions tagged with [generics] be reviewed and retagged? If so what are the criteria? — Dijkgraaf just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Benjamin Hodgson
Remove the synonym. (I had a question about generic programming and was unpleasantly surprised to find myself forced to use the generics tag.) — Benjamin Hodgson 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Benjamin Hodgson
I suspect a large majority of the questions in generics are legitimately about generics (in Java and similar languages) and not about generic programming which is somewhat more niche. — Benjamin Hodgson 5 secs ago
 
4:04 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
I generally agree with the gist of this. However, one possible meaning of "valid" could be "on-topic, focused, answerable, and not a duplicate", in which case a question being "valid" is a pretty good reason to keep a question around. I worry that someone might read a statement like "A question being 'valid' is not even remotely sufficient reason to keep it around" and get the wrong idea. The issue essentially boils down to different ideas of what constitutes a "valid" question, and I've seen people advocate for closure of questions that could meet SO guidelines with a community edit. — Ryan M ♦ 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Well, yes. My point is that the people I hear actually use the term "valid" when complaining about question closures, almost never have in mind a meaning that is compatible with the question closure reasons and guidance. — Karl Knechtel 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dijkgraaf
Then probably remove the retag-request tag from the question. — Dijkgraaf 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
Stupid Comment I guess: Are you sure "X is (not] reason to/for [...]" is grammatically/syntactically correct in English...? 2nd time I come this syntax across on 'Meta' in 10min (+ in this Answer => search for "There's reason to argue"). only 56 hits on 'Google' but OK, I could accept that construction... // But I got stuck on that sentence in your Answer (and couldn't read any further, sorry,), googling for 1h if it was grammatically correct or not, I didn't find a clear Answer... So...? — chivracq 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by chivracq
OK, Thanks @Karl, Paki/Indian English I understand, apparently accepted in the "Standards" anyway... Previous Comment removed, I'll remove this one in a few minutes... — chivracq 58 secs ago
 
4:42 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
It might be good to specifically call out in the answer that you're referring to usage of "valid" to mean something along the lines of "on-topic (i.e., about programming) and posed by someone who actually needs an answer". — Ryan M ♦ 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
Should we do a [chemistry] experiment by combining this tag with oxygen in a high temperature environment? — CPlus 1 min ago
 
 
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8:00 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
@RyanM I agree. Maybe I'll be in a better emotional place to do so tomorrow. — Karl Knechtel 52 secs ago
 
 
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10:44 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
Generic programming - "Generic programming is a style of computer programming in which algorithms are written in terms of data types to-be-specified-later that are then instantiated when needed for specific types provided as parameters."Peter Mortensen 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Peter Mortensen
cont' - although the best known example is the Standard Template Library (STL), which developed a theory of iterators that is used to decouple sequence data structures and the algorithms operating on them."* — Peter Mortensen 12 secs ago
 
11:06 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
Why are upvotes not required to to submit a comment in your proposal? — Security Hound just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cuzy
@SecurityHound An upvote is a pretty clear sign that the question/answer is clear and helpful, downvotes on the other hand mean that the "question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful", which is a very vague description, espescially for newcomers. — Cuzy 8 secs ago
 
11:25 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@Cuzy - A downvote and upvote are equally in their ability to grant or take away a privilege. I see them as equally being important. I also have seen user upvote spam and ChatGPT, so if we’re going to require comments to explain downvotes, we absolutely have to require it for upvotes and hold those who abuse their ability to upvote (in cases of spam and ChatGPT content) responsible. The description of an upvote is equally vague. — Security Hound 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cuzy
@SecurityHound I agree that both are important but I don't see why leaving a comment on an upvote is equally as important as leaving one on a downvote. If everything is fine with a question, I don't feel like I need to point out what somebody has done well. If something is not fine however, pointing out what exactly isn't fine with it seems like a good idea. — Cuzy 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Syed M. Sannan
@SecurityHound ^ This. I'd go as far as to say that even though all votes should be used carefully, one should be especially careful and cautious about when they should upvote. A user with undeserved privileges is far worse a case than a deserving user without them. — Syed M. Sannan 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by cigien
Are you sure you meant to post this question on this site? This has nothing to do with how Stack Overflow operates. — cigien 52 secs ago
 
12:13 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
YouTube still allows downvoting, it just doesn't show you the total number of downvotes. — F1Krazy 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rbaleksandar
@SecurityHound Closing reason is rather vague at best. "Needs improvements" for example is BS imho if not feedback is provided. — rbaleksandar 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by E_net4
Feedback isn't guaranteed, that's true. But forcing people to post a comment alongside their downvote would not necessarily make things better for the feedback receivers, and would definitely make people vote much less than what they already do. The number of downvotes in total is but a mere fraction of the total number of upvotes. — E_net4 35 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rbaleksandar
@F1Krazy True, sorry about that. I meant it's not shown. Which is even worse. :D — rbaleksandar 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
What does that have to do with requesting an explanation for all votes? Speaking of justification we should require an explanation for awarding bounties. — Security Hound 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@rbaleksandar - For the individual casting the close vote their reasoning is clear otherwise they wouldn’t have casted a close vote. If we need better close reasons. I can support that feature request. Requiring a comment for a downvote won’t guarantee the feedback you think it will. I can write 500 words that fulfills that requirement but will actually say absolutely nothing. — Security Hound 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rbaleksandar
@SecurityHound A comment provides far greater flexibility than expanding e.g. close reasons (my feature applies to both downvoting and flagging). While your logic is valid regarding "500 words and still no actual content", it can also be applied to everything else. A system can always be abused.. — rbaleksandar 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Syed M. Sannan
@AngeloFuchs And the way you use SO is objectively the right way of using it as it was intended by its founders. All of its policies reflect the same. StackOverflow is a library of high-quality programming Q&A and there is a priority here to make content here more helpful for future visitors, that's one of its main visions. And I'll be honest here, I have riped more benefits from the site viewing other people's Q&A than from asking questions / answering them myself. — Syed M. Sannan 39 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
sigh, do we need to beat this dead horse yet again? — Dan Mašek 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Syed M. Sannan
@R..GitHubSTOPHELPINGICE that the primary goal is to provide a carefully-curated resource of programming knowledge rather than actively answer people's questions. That is literally THE goal of StackOverflow defined by the founders and often echoed throughout its policies and through the site moderators. — Syed M. Sannan 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@rbaleksandar - I am not opposed to voting requiring feedback, I just want it to be applied equally to all voting. When my feedback to this feature request is meet with reasons, that upvotes shouldn't require feedback, I stop taking the feature request seriously. I want to see a better close system, since I agree, having to choose between 1 of 5 canned reasons isn't always the best. That does not change the fact those questions, where the "best close reason" is being selected still are out of scope. — Security Hound 26 secs ago
 
1:12 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dominique
I can confirm this: I once made the mistake of setting a bounty of 500 points on a question and in no time, I had two answers. I was in the middle of investigating them when a StackOverflow moderator intervened saying that both answers were A.I. generated. — Dominique 20 secs ago
 
1:39 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by President James K. Polk
There have been many MSE questions suggesting this, and some of the reasoning behind them resonates with me, but I recall being most swayed by an answer to one of these by user shog9, but I cannot find it right now. I will try to locate it. I notice your title says "force", but in the text of the question it also says "allow". — President James K. Polk 49 secs ago
 
1:55 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
A bit off-topic but was the post 'greyed out' a little bit when you saw it in the review queue? — TylerH 25 secs ago
 
2:37 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
@PeterMortensen I very much doubt MicroPython is used professionally - nobody would add an extra bloat layer just for the heck of it. — Lundin 33 secs ago
 
 
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4:01 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
What is generic programming and why does it need its own tag? I've never heard of the concept, but it sounds, well, generic. — TylerH 33 secs ago
 
 
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5:21 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dan Mašek
You posted this on the wrong site, this is Meta. — Dan Mašek just now
 
 
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6:43 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Sidenote: The server monitors voting behaviour and reverts bulk voting and other suspicious patterns. Normally behaviour like what you describe results in some suspension time, but that doesn't seem like it will be much of a deterrence in this case. — user4581301 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by tdy
@MarkAmery Oof... then maybe I'm overestimating the robo-review risk. But in fairness, edits bump posts while comments do not, so it's much harder to spam 80+ useless edits per day than 80+ useless comments. — tdy 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mah Neh
why the downvotes ? it's quite a clear question since i have been without a reason 2 times. — Mah Neh 7 secs ago
 
7:08 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
OK, so question 2: where is my option to remove ALL my previous asnwers ? Again, if I can't, this is a violation of GRPD in many European countries. — Joel Falcou 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
You can't. By using SO, you effectively licence your content for others to use. — Paulie_D 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
It's not a violation of GDPR, it's not personal information so GDPR does not apply. — Paulie_D 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
and last time I check, a badly written LLM is not a person. — Joel Falcou 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
I have rights to ask my data to be removed. Where is the option ? — Joel Falcou 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
The only right you have is to delete your personal information linked with the content you posted. Meaning the attribution. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 45 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
dataprotection.ie/en/individuals/know-your-rights/… "You have the right to have your data erased, without undue delay, by the data controller, if one of the following grounds applies: Where your personal data are no longer necessary in relation to the purpose for which it was collected or processed." — Joel Falcou 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
@Dajila This form will end up in SO just anonyming data. I know the joke. — Joel Falcou 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by yivi
The data erasure thing does not apply in this case for your posts, since you are licensing them to SO when you post. Personal information is covered by GDPR laws, and you can request to erase that. But please, do check with your local GDPR lawyers. — yivi 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by David
"should I check with my local GDPR lawyers" - If you think a violation has taken place then yes. Debating law on a Meta Stack Overflow question is a fairly futile endeavor. Even on a more suitable platform it's still just people on the internet chatting about law, not an actual legal action. Actual legal actions with or against Stack Exchange are well above the scope of users and community moderators. — David 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by jonrsharpe
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
The licence I agreed to what before the obviosu grab of SO by the OpenAI mafia — Joel Falcou 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Abdul Aziz Barkat
You can at max dissociate yourself from all your posts, you can't take them down since you've granted Stack Overflow an irrevocable licence when you posted your content. — Abdul Aziz Barkat 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
yeah I wrote it there before it was moved — Joel Falcou 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Paulie_D
Related? Exact dupe!! ☺ — Paulie_D 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe
As an aside, because it apparently hasn't been mentioned yet, most or all data on SO (and elsewhere on the internet for that matter) is likely already in OpenAI's training data, even prior to the deal with them. The only thing you can do to avoid them getting your data is to stop producing more. Anything already out there is probably already in the dataset. Welcome to 2024 — Zoe ♦ 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
I like how eveerydody find this situation normal. Now, the question is, which sauce do you prefer with your boots ? — Joel Falcou 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Warcupine
Everybody does not find it normal see here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/399619/… They are disagreeing with the specifics of your post, not the general sentiment. — Warcupine 21 secs ago
 
7:38 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Evelyn
As Tyler pointed out, the wiki for "Generic Programming" apparently is entirely about "generics", they seem to be synonyms. Here is a PDF from 2001, "Design and Implementation of Generics for the .NET Common Language Runtime - Andrew Kennedy, Don Syme, Microsoft Research, Cambridge, U.K." that says, "Parametric polymorphism is a well-established programming language feature whose advantages over dynamic approaches to generic programming are well-understood", it seems that "generics" == "generic programming". — Evelyn 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
@Tsyvarev sorry for the late response. Let me explain why it should be a synonym with an example. Take tensorflow; we don't have py-tensorflow or r-tensorflow or cpp-tensorflow. We have one tag and we use it in combination with python, r, or c++, etc. This is not much different if not the same. From the tag excerpt: "TensorFlow is an open-source library and API designed for deep learning, written and maintained by Google. Use this tag with a language-specific tag ([python], [c++], [javascript], [r], etc.)"M-- 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
Reminder that you can express dissent, dissatisfaction, or even anger without either violating the Code of Conduct or otherwise just ranting unproductively. As a bonus, it's usually more effective at getting what you want. Several comments have been removed (by multiple moderators, not just me) for being more inappropriate than they were useful. — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
if that distracts you from thinking about the fact this website just sold out, fine. — Joel Falcou 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by President James K. Polk
Define "sold-out"? This website has always been a for-profit operation, so is it more sold-out than it used to be? — President James K. Polk 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
AI companies are parasits and ecocide perpetrator. You can make profit without making the planet boils so VC can get more money in an unethical way. It shows that americans didn't use guillotines enough in there story to accept such blatant common good grab by random private companies. — Joel Falcou 51 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by President James K. Polk
I can't make any sense of that comment, sorry. — President James K. Polk 56 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
you can make a profit without enabling destruction of an ecosystem by using technology with dubious benefit and high environmental costs. — Joel Falcou 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
that + the stress put on mining rare earth to make their hardware. — Joel Falcou 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by President James K. Polk
Are you referring to the high energy footprint of AI companies due to the power load they use to do their computations? — President James K. Polk 56 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Tsyvarev
"we can edit tag wiki for plotly if needed." - This is what your question post should start from. In the current form the tag plotty means specifically JavaScript library, so its appliance for Python questions doesn't look correct. If you want to treat plotty as language-agnostic library, then following retagging has a sense. (But as I already said, synonyms looks weird). — Tsyvarev 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by President James K. Polk
I'm not going to tell you what you should or shouldn't care about but for my own part I'm having a hard time knowing who the good companies and the bad companies are. Is OpenAI worse than Google? Or Microsoft? — President James K. Polk 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dalija Prasnikar
I guess you missed the AI partnership with Google meta.stackexchange.com/q/398127 This one is no different. — Dalija Prasnikar ♦ 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Security Hound
@JoelFalcou - "I have rights to ask my data to be removed." - Your answers are not part of your personal data. So I will repeat what others have said. Your questions and answers are not applicable to be removed by GDPR. — Security Hound 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
They are all equally bad. — Joel Falcou 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by M--
@Tsyvarev it's already edited. I took out "for javascript" part. p.s. if you look at excerpt history, that was my mistake anyway. — M-- 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by TylerH
"I have rights to ask my data to be removed. Where is the option ?" No you don't. You legally forfeited any such right upon creating it and submitting it to the site. That's how the Creative Commons license works. — TylerH 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@TylerH /shrug - I don't know. I think you probably do have the "right to ask", but the answer can be "no" ;-) — NotTheDr01ds 42 secs ago
 
8:35 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"The licence I agreed to what before the obviosu grab of SO by the OpenAI mafia" That's what open-source licenses are like. You don't get to restrict who uses the thing that you publish, either prejudicially or in retrospect, simply because of an ideological conflict with users, ethical qualm with something they did or anything else. By design. The CC licenses are the same idea for writing (and artwork) rather than code. — Karl Knechtel 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I definitely vote for adding the link back. Along with the others that are missing on Stack Overflow but seen on other Stack Exchange sites. As for "[ham]burger menu", I suspect that this term still doesn't have universal enough recognition to be all that useful. To make it clearer, an guide with images is necessary. (One gets the impression that the company doesn't want you to create chat rooms. Or log out, for that matter.) — Karl Knechtel 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
"Suspensions were and are still not intended to be punitive" - is there anything in the toolbox that is intended to be punitive? Or is there some philosophical reason for not "punishing" wrongdoers in this system? — Karl Knechtel 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joel Falcou
Where is my attribution in the great molasse hole that is any LLM ? — Joel Falcou 40 secs ago
 
9:10 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Hovercraft Full Of Eels
@VonC: I think that I speak for many in inviting you to address in comment, or as an edit to your original post, some of the more common, pertinent, and non-inflammatory issues that have been brought up in many of the comments and several of the answers. Hearing more from you would be instructive to all of us. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels 32 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user4581301
Same as all of the authors of fiction: whatever you and your lawyers can claw back. — user4581301 40 secs ago
 
10:10 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Seth
Blocking the entire *.cookielaw.org domain and all subdomains has finally made the popups go away. — Seth 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Seth
I've just blocked *.cookielaw.org, and that seems to have finally solved the problem. I'm no longer seeing the cookies popup at all on any SE sites. — Seth 11 secs ago
 
10:48 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
The context for this appears to be this deleted question. — Ryan M ♦ 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
The context for this post appears to be this deleted question. When you deleted it, you invalidated the reopen review. You'll want to un-delete and re-edit it, following the instructions in "This question already has answers here" - but it does not. What can I do when I think a question is not a duplicate?. — Ryan M ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
(also, your explanation should be more than "The two questions have little in common" - it seems like the implication of the duplicate vote is that you should have quoted the assignment, which seems at least related) — Ryan M ♦ 51 secs ago
 
11:07 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
I don't know what question you're referring to, but the other ones I see that you've asked so far suggest a fundamental misunderstanding of how the site works. As a quick hint: putting the words "and then" in the title practically guarantees that you are asking something that Needs More Focus and will be closed for that reason. — Karl Knechtel 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
Short version is we deal with behaviors not people, and negative reinforcement is generally a last resort — Journeyman Geek just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
Above all else, please keep in mind that the purpose of the site is not to fix your code, but to answer questions. — Karl Knechtel 56 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by kmt
Thanks for the responses. I will undelete my first post. I deleted it to try and speed the process along as my options were "edit" or "delete". I am not looking for fixes to my code per se, but answers - which is why I post sample code snippets that illustrate the concepts I am trying to understand versus "here is my entire script, please fix it for me" — kmt 58 secs ago
 
11:55 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by nobody
@kjhughes So why did you mention it? Again, the fact that Google is or is not exiting the business is not relevant to the question. We do not need to "note" it. Mentioning it is pure noise that adds nothing productive to the discussion. — nobody 37 secs ago
 

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