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12:25 AM
Joke is over.
 
 
7 hours later…
7:09 AM
STEFAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
2 hours later…
9:09 AM
What the hell does $"{blah}" do in a string
ah c#6.0
 
Yeah, new feature in C# 6 - Interpolated Strings
 
not sure what I like it
 
More laziness
 
 
1 hour later…
10:36 AM
Why is my xpath only selecting one?
Path="/ATLConfig/AudioTriggers/ATLTrigger/@atl_name"
 
maybe because there's only one
 
nah other code was broke :)
 
 
1 hour later…
12:00 PM
Good morning
Happy Friday!
 
yay
stag party this week-end :D
 
:)
Morning, franssu
 
good afternoon Alex
 
It's going to be a scorching weekend here
38 c or hotter
 
wow
 
12:51 PM
@Alex Hope you have access to a pool to enjoy...
 
@Maverik Seems my name's become a running joke. Don't know whether i should feel honored or insulted...
 
you should ask the ones using it?
i'm merely getting dragged along with you in that same sentence, i'm not sure how can I help with that
if you can quote one line where I have started something explicitly mentioning you, i'll be happy to respond
 
Anyway, how have you been?
 
busy busy
as usual
hows your back
@Kevin probably a good time to make an appearance!
 
lol been doing lots of exercise
 
1:00 PM
so i guess you've recovered? when we last spoke you couldn't even get up from the bed
 
Yeah, I'm fine now.
 
well glad to hear that
nothing much has changed here I'd say
other than usual room owner changes with some old ones moving out and new ones coming in
 
well.. i knew it existed but i see there have been updates!
 
May 24 at 15:59, by Maverik
mm must have happened when he was visiting stefan then
Wasn't that hard...
 
1:10 PM
it appears to be a response
lets dig out history.. cos why not
May 24 at 15:57, by Kevin
lol. he's in the basement with Stefan
nope, i'm pretty sure that doesn't count as me starting it
wasn't that hard to read
 
you didn't like the joke @StefanDenchev ?
 
@Maverik OK, OK.
I have no problem with it, just messing with Maverik.
 
I may respond to people when they make this specific mention, but i've never started it
responding is inevitable when you disappear and we just end up with the dungeon joke.. i've no idea how that came to be
it's not like i enjoy having a dungeon
 
yeah yeah let's pretend there's no dungeon and this is the real Stefan
 
1:17 PM
:D
 
@LynnCrumbling Believe it or not, I don't know how to swim. Maybe I'll stay in the shallow end :)
 
It's never too late to learn!
 
Maybe once I get married and have kids
@StefanDenchev Dang, sign me up for that. Will it make me good looking like the model? ;)
 
Probably.
 
1:29 PM
Then I'm in
 
(that, and an airbrush)
 
BTW, there was talk yesterday about CC2 style coding. Pardon my ignorance, but what is CC2?
 
That model has an unnaturally thin waist though, wouldn't want to look like him, personally.
 
Photoshop victim
 
1:33 PM
Hey, this is a busier day in this room than usual. Most days, you can see a tumbleweed blow across this chatroom. Not a criticism, though. There's also less drama here than other chatrooms
 
!!!!!!!!!!
i literally am smiling in silence at my desk
 
Yep, Stefan is here
 
Ok... submitted a question. Preparing for the barrage of downvotes.
0
Q: Determining the availability of a bucket object via a signed url

Lynn CrumblingOur download is hosted on Google Cloud Storage. For a while now, we've been creating a signed url on demand (as the user clicks the download button), and then redirecting the user to that user. This code has been in production for months, but recently we noticed that there's a race condition: so...

 
Oh, I get hammered sometimes. Do people's rep go up each time they down-vote? I get that feeling sometime
 
I was using your name in a non-derogatory manner @Stefan. We were trying to figure out where you went and I always blamed it on Maverik. Please do not take offense. I missed you! Welcome back!
@Alex yes
(This is NETscape by the way)
 
1:36 PM
I get pleasure up-voting good questions; some folks just love to down-vote, especially noobs who just posted their first question
 
@Kevin Thanks, i was just teasing Maverik, it's OK.
 
@Alex Hah. No, in fact, it's -1 rep everytime you downvote an answer.
Downvoting a question incurs no rep hit for the voter.
 
@LynnCrumbling Good to know there's a penalty for it
Ahh, so that's why a question can get bashed in a matter of seconds
 
@Alex CC2, probably just another made up styling guide by java programmers.
 
Yeah, it's pretty rare for me to downvote an answer, unless it's just blatantly wrong, or answering a completely different question.
 
1:38 PM
@LynnCrumbling pretty sure there's a -1 for question and -2 for answer
i've taken hits for both
 
You mean if you're the recipient?
 
nope
let me downvote you :D
 
@Kevin Glad I've not done java for 5+ years
 
HAHAHAA
 
nope.. doesn't appear to affect on question
 
1:38 PM
hey I wanna try. whats a good answer to downvote you on lynn? ;)
 
It's to keep downvoting constructive, this ain't facebook.
 
Kevin, find one of mine... you're welcome to downvote, I won't take offense :)
 
downvote on answer is definitely negative points
because somebody in here downvoted me to make my rep a whole number
they incurred hits too
 
I'm kidding of course.
 
1:40 PM
(downvoting wasn't a bad thing - it was on request xD)
i wanted exactly 3000 i think :D
i know somebody else wanted to stay at 666
 
Mav, btw, whats your avatar of? looks like a tiger + almost prince symbol + dagger
 
thats also when we discovered there's a thing called "Serial downvoting reversal"
that SE does by itself :)
 
Will you all stop chatting? I need to get some work done :)
 
amagawd!!
 
@Kevin That's been asked already.
 
1:41 PM
GRIEVER!! Make them bleed!
 
@Alex No.
 
Its a big day today. Mav has been missing for weeks, Stefan for years.
@StefanDenchev I believe you. I was probably the one who asked it too lol
 
Yeah, where has Mav been? Haven't seen him here
 
yea i was pulled in to get a project over the line that had been delayed so many times they stopped giving out deadlines
 
Yikes.
 
1:41 PM
so i was working over weekend even
 
picking up someone elses slack? cough
subject change!
 
it was nobodys fault - the raw data that we were supposed to port to the new project was far more horrible than anybody could have anticipated and the more we tried to tame it, the harder it got
 
Dang, Maverik. Doesn't sound fun
 
well its kinda part of my job :)
i'm in the last line of defense team :D
 
1:43 PM
Ahh, good-old data cleanup. I've taken flat files from VAX and wrestled with them. But mostly awful Access db's
 
things dont usually make it my desk (unless they're my own projects) unless shit hits the fan :D
well the good thing is, i've learned PowerQuery out of it!
1 step closer to F# (Powerquery is M which is a lot like f# i hear)
(This is Excel Power Query btw)
 
@Alex where do you live again?
 
NC, Triangle area, U.S.
 
Ahh. I want to move to Raleigh one day
 
It's a nice place. The traffic can be bad sometime, but it's nice
 
1:45 PM
PS: it's good to be back here - i missed your spam :P
 
A technical question... When you do a group by in SQL, how do you handle null values? I'm trying to group by county, but not everyone's county is filled in.
 
I went there on vacation, I didn't have to drive anywhere. I left the friend (who is local) do the driving. Working for RedHat would be nice. Also have a friend working at NetApp
 
This might be what I'm looking for: stackoverflow.com/a/9258303/177416
 
@StefanDenchev still developing over there?
 
Not really, I do still code for fun.
 
1:57 PM
LynnCrumbling: Fist fighting a sandstorm?
 
More or less.
I think the people in this room are the only reason that my question has any views :-/
 
@LynnCrumbling Is the issue in the url generation or the way google handles it afterwards?
As in it updates it's urls asynchronously.
 
oh not what i was referring to Lynn :) -> Sia!
I just discovered that exclusive track yesterday and was checking if you're aware :)
 
though.. lemme read the question too :P
 
I was having a headache and coming to this room cured it.. Magic O.O
 
@StefanDenchev Just edited the question. Others are likely to ask the same thing that you just did.
@Maverik Ahh, nice... listening to it now.
 
I see... Maybe you should contact Google, then.
 
yea sadly i haven't had much luck when dealing with google content
i gave up without even bringing it up to a proposal for team
(not this specific scenario.. other general stuff)
 
They can't even make a descent search engine algorithm these days...
 
2:12 PM
@StefanDenchev I'd love to. Not sure what the correct venue for that is, through...
An email address...?
 
Indeed.
Assuming your package includes support.
 
HAHAHA. Look what resources are listed under "Cloud Storage"
 
2:15 PM
:-|
 
@LynnCrumbling thats not true. I haven't looked at it yet :)
 
@StefanDenchev can't tell if this is sarcasm or not...
 
Silver support package is 150/month...
@Kevin It's a statement.
 
oh, i'd say it is suffice after using Bing
 
2:19 PM
Sure, it's just that i think a proper search engine actually helps you find things you're looking for.
Which google search doesn't do for me.
 
checks Stefan's search history
 
But I realize the problem may ultimately lie with me, since it's designed for the average user.
 
what search engine do you use?
 
Google. T_T
Since there's no real alternative.
 
stop being so advanced! time to dumb it down
 
2:26 PM
Actual search entry of mine.
 
We keep wondering that too.
 
I'll likely do a write in this year.
one candidate should probably be in prison and the other should probably be rotting in hell
 
Clearly shows google didn't understand what I was asking for.
@Kevin Democracy is great.
Isn't it?
 
Sure is. I can burn my flag if I wanted to, isn't that cool?
 
"I've said it before and I'll say it again: Democracy simply doesn't work." -- Kent Brockman
 
2:38 PM
"But I want a mass murder as president!"
 
so long as the justice system says they aren't a mass murderer, then you can have one as president!
 
AWESOME!
 
3:06 PM
SignatureDoesNotMatch is under 403...
Probably an issue on Google's end. You can always parse the body, seems that's what the doc suggests anyway.
 
@StefanDenchev Odd. It seems to be returning a 200 with that xml. One thought, was to check the content-type for text/xml.
The head request doesn't give us a body.
 
3:22 PM
I know, I'm suggesting you do a get after the head returns 200 since this appears to be a bug. I know it's sub-optimal, sorry.
 
No worries...
The problem is that if it succeeds, the GET is going to start pulling down a 70M file.
 
Yeah, i get that.
So maybe do an async get and stop it if it exceeds a certain size.
 
Either way, thanks for making the effort to put brain CPU cycles towards it :)
Yeah, a partial GET is one of the options on the table.
 
 
2 hours later…
5:19 PM
OMG @STEFANDENCHEV
 
Oh, Hi Rudi.
 
That's what we've been saying all day!
 
Yes but I'm fashionably late
 
No worries :)
 
Oh, come on, a friend of mine disappeared for 5 years, nobody was worried.
True story.
 
5:23 PM
We're so ............
Erm
We're so #awesomeandoldIcan'tthinkofaword that we don't need excuses
 
Like the hashtag
 
71
Q: Were there women who were against giving women the right to vote?

ThunderforgeThe TV show Sherlock prompted an interesting question about the historical role of women during the United Kingdom's road to women's suffrage. In the episode "The Abominable Bride" (set in Victorian London in 1895), there was a scene where Mrs. Watson says that she is part of a campaign to give...

Oh, i'm sorry, i believe that may be slightly off-topic.
 
haha
 
That's brilliant
 
i saw videos in uni of women get beat by other women during protests at the white house, so i'm not at all surprised. there are always people against everything, so all those questions are "obvious" to me
in North Korea, you'd probably find that the majority of women don't think they should have rights, while a select few think they should.
 
5:41 PM
@Kevin Sorry missed you yesterday...
Did you still need to slack?
 
nope
low level question, SDK issue, figured out but not really
 
6:39 PM
Having some issues with Intellisense
Not able to see objects' members on "."
 
7:04 PM
 
ugh. it can't be the weekend yet. I still have 5 hours of coding to finish in the next 120 minutes.
 
Tea is your friend
 
sips coffee
 
And some music... especially epic music
 
/maroon 5 - payphone/
 
7:10 PM
That'll do the trick
 
/imagine dragons - on top of the world/ is on deck
 
Thomas Bergersen, Ocean Princess or Immortal. Just about anything from him.
 
huh.. I'll have to check that out.
This isn't at all what I expected.
(Already listened to Ocean Princess, listening to Immortal now)
 
7:27 PM
Empire of Angels is beautiful too. I've got a bunch of his songs on my phone
It's not everyone's cup of tea. Some folks said it was too intense for them
Age of Gods, Jump!, To Glory, That's a Wrap, and on it goes :)
 
We'd use to listen to some death metal after work at one of my old jobs. Bands like "Dying Fetus" and "HateBreed". Not exactly fun stuff, but somehow rejuvinating after our boss had sucked the life out of us
 
haha
 
7:43 PM
I quit that job, then a few months later my friend did too. Felt so proud of him :)
 
@Reed do you want to see something nasty?
 
Hello Johan.
 
hi, you are back!
 
Hey Johan. Must you show him something nasty on a Friday afternoon? :)
 
I asked before :)
 
7:47 PM
Then that's different. Go right ahead!
 
A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do...
 
@Johan Sure
 
this was the only way I could download https through the proxy.
Used code from your blog.
 
yes, that's ugly
 
:)
forki didn't want it in paket :D
 
8:05 PM
too ugly?
or just no need to get around proxy issues?
though that's nasty because it's using WPF types to build a context
(which isn't very necessary, tbh)
something based off github.com/StephenCleary/AsyncEx.Context/tree/master/src/… would probably make more sense
though there's probably easier ways around it - just need a queue, right?
 
@ReedCopsey The wpf refs are not ideal
It uses the webbrowser for downloading
 
mmm
 
would not work on mono
and perhaps ie needs to be installed
 
why couldn't you just use HttpClient?
it has proxy support
just trying to get it to auto run through the proxy with no config?
though HttpWebRequest auto gets the proxy settings from IE
so it should work with your proxy, too
 
8:27 PM
@ReedCopsey I have tried many things, not skill
 
WebClient/HttpClient should work
and not require UI libs
 
dropped every SO answer I could find on weblcient, restclient and httpclient
 
WebClient should "just work" actually - it pulls proxy info by default
 
I don't know much about proxies but feels like it has a whitelist of apps
I tried setting useragent but no dice
 
4
A: C# Connecting Through Proxy

JCH2kFoole's code worked perfectly for me, but in .NET 4.0, don't forget to check if Proxy is NULL, which means no proxy configured (outside corporate environment) So here's the code that solved my problem with our corporate proxy WebClient web = new WebClient(); if (web.Proxy != null) web.Proxy...

that should pretty much work - just setting proper credentials to connect through the proxy should let it happen
 
8:30 PM
<system.net>
   <defaultProxy enabled="true" useDefaultCredentials="true">
       <proxy usesystemdefault="true" bypassonlocal="true" />
   </defaultProxy>
</system.net>
I only tried first line in ^
tried countless permutations of the answer you linked
I'm writing f# right now :)
 
Nice
did you try the actual answer I linked?
because that should be effectively what IE (and WebBrowser) does
just set credentials to the default ones
and use them
 
I'm not at work now so can't try but I have many times
Works fine for http but fails for https
 
8:47 PM
Have a great weekend, everyone :)
 
@Alex Same to you!
 
Thanks, @LynnCrumbling
 
9:07 PM
@ReedCopsey, not sure if it was you, but do you remember pasting me a link for the Generic.xaml for a TabControl?
 
@Alex thanks!
 
Sure
 
wait. that's not it
gonna search through ther
 
do you want the default style?
I use blend for digging out default styles for controls, only thing I use blend for
 
9:20 PM
@JohanLarsson, ya, that's what I'm looking for.
Haven't really touched blend other than opening the program, so not sure how to retrieve that info on my own yet.
 
hold on, I'll give you the steps
 
Very awesome of you
 
1) open bland with empty proj
2) add the control you want to snoop
3) rmb on it and select edit template > edit copy
that should give you a huge bloat of xaml with the styles
 
hmmm. Blend crashed on the first try to open it. Then it worked the second time. Thought I was going to have to ask you for the xaml anways
 
9:27 PM
OK, looks like I got it. Hope I can find my answer here.
 
9:47 PM
Gotta ask this one cause I'm confused. And I hope it makes sense. I am creating a custom TabControl. I have custom classes for the control, the tab panel and the tab items. I have a Generic.xaml which supplies a default style for my tab items. I also added a popup that shows all tabs in alphabetical order. If I use an ItemsControl, the actual tabs disappear from the tab panel and show up in the ItemsControl. Guessing it has to do with the default style for the tab items.
I supply my own ItemTemplate for the ItemsControl but that looks like it get's overwritten.
 
9:58 PM
first question: why do you need custom controls?
for the disappearing, an instance of a control can only be shown in one place
 
Thanks @JohanLarsson. Just figured that out too. Finally got the exception that's helping me understand what's going on: ItemTemplate and ItemTemplateSelector are ignored for items already of the ItemsControl's container type;
The custom TabControl is to allow for specialized reordering, "tear-out" tabs into new windows, and the ability to redock the tabs (like in chrome). A few other things too.
The actual reason for the derived TabItem is to make sure the template only gets applied to me.
 
    <UniformGrid Rows="1">
        <GroupBox x:Name="Box1" Header="1">
            <Rectangle Fill="Blue" />
        </GroupBox>

        <GroupBox Header="2">
            <ContentPresenter Content="{Binding Content, ElementName=Box1}" />
        </GroupBox>
    </UniformGrid>
Try running ^
@BrandenBoucher lib, I have never used it.
 
Hi guys
 
Can anyone help me figure out why can't we debug bindings in WPF but we can in SL5?
 
10:07 PM
how do you mean debug?
 
In SL5 you can set a break point on the binding.
 
in WPF I have only successfully used a debug converter
 
oh, never done any silverlight
what is the issue btw?
 
whoa! this is amazing!
thank you thank you thank yo!
*you
 
10:10 PM
:)
 
I wrote a debug converter that uses some heavy duty reflection to debug bindings, however in SL5 you can simply put a break point at the binding statement and you can inspect the binding result and binding source
 
@JohanLarsson, what am I trying there?
 
right in the xaml
 
@BrandenBoucher the second gropubox ~steals~ the blue rectangle from the first
 
Oh. Ok. I see that
 
10:12 PM
was a micro demo of the one parent thing
 
gotcha.
 
I am experimenting with an excel-like grid in WPF made from scratch. Debugging the bindings is a pain
 
@bleepzter what is the problem you are solving?
 
So I have a grid, which is bound to an observable collection of ObservableCollection of CellViewModelBase
 
maybe ^ is a fit for your requirements?
 
10:16 PM
Well, for every type of data I have a CellViewModel that inherits from CellViewModelBase
essentially a 2D array
I also wrote a behavior which attaches to the grid, and creates it's columns
in any case - if I create a DataTemplate for each CellViewModel type the entire thing blows up with a non descript error
The goal is based on the CellViewModel type, the content presenter of each cell to load the DataTemplate associated to that CellViewModel Type
this allows a column to have a DropDown, a check-box, a text-block... whatever
without actually being bound to a single data type.
My problem is I can't figure out where the error is being thrown because I can't debug the bindings...
:(
 
tricky one
 
yeah. If i have a content control in the cell, i can see each cell display the view model type in it's content. If I specify data templates - I get a non-descript error it can't load or find the resources (data templates).
 

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