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7:40 AM
morning
 
morning
 
8:16 AM
morning
 
morning
 
an italian girl in our company ... suddenly, all males start speaking italian
mamma mia, they're crazy
 
8:32 AM
and your in italy i suppose :P
 
now, it sounds like I'm in Italy, but, nope it's Tunisia :p
 
8:46 AM
:D
 
italian company then? or i'm missing the point and they are trying to get the gril ("speaking italian")
 
9:01 AM
@Proxy I understood it to mean "An Italian woman started working there, and all the non-Italian men started brushing up on their Italian to impress her".
 
yeah most likely, but they would have to know the basics at least
i'm looking to much into it
 
@Proxy I assume it's mostly generic keywords like "ciao bella" and "mamma mia".
 
i always wonder if that stuff really flies...
or they think your retarded
 
@Proxy I'd guess "no".
 
eh man i'm totally antsocial :(
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan what is a "normal period" expected to get good with wpf? as in to get good and understand well how do events, delegates, mvvm work
its a stupid question but for someone with some basic c# knowledge when can he become as useful member of the team?
as in be able to do stuff on his own
 
9:16 AM
thanks @AvnerShahar-Kashtan :D
 
@Proxy It's a bit of steep curve, but with a supportive team, that can help with questions and give you good learning tasks inside the system, I'd expect that one should be able to start contributing in a couple of weeks.
 
:( i'm beyond any help
 
@Proxy No one is. If you're feeling stuck for a long time, chances are the team isn't doing enough to pull you in.
 
in the early 90's, we had access to italian channels, so most of 90's kids know some italian, and since Italy is the nearest european country, many people go there, most of them are illegal immigrants, so italian language is present in Tunisia
 
i just started like a week and half ago so its still early
currently i need to make a gui
that connects to redis and displays live data for the different signals sources (graphs,values etc)
but i can't judge if i'm doing well or not :(
@Hamza_L oh i see now :P
 
9:24 AM
just make sure you have access to quality content @Proxy
and have a good mix of learning this content and applying it
and just do it
:)
 
yeah i'm trying... we will see in time i guess
i got the hang of how events work lets say
but i'm still not 100% there
its hard to explain
i know but still i don't know
and it take a lot of trial and error to get going
 
so you're lacking theory
 
@Proxy A week and a half isn't a lot.
 
no i think i understand it in theory but i lack practice... and when/how to use it
 
in your situation, I'll look for a big book, theory + practice,
It always works with me.
 
9:34 AM
I have no shares but pluralsight courses are great
can accelerate video playback so you don't fall asleep
works for me
 
since im at it... so i have an ICollectionView on which i bound obesrvable collection. In my obesrvable collection is a model class that bessides other stuff contains a bool field that i use with a checkbox. i had to implement sorting so that checked items move to the top. I did it in way that i bound a command to my checkbox when its clikced
and then i make a sort based on that
is that okay way to do it
 
mmh
not sure that helps
<CollectionViewSource x:Key="Items" Source="{Binding YourObservableCollection}" >
    <CollectionViewSource.SortDescriptions>
        <scm:SortDescription PropertyName="YourBooleanProperty" />
    </CollectionViewSource.SortDescriptions>
 </CollectionViewSource>
 
yeah i found that but my way is working too but i don't know is it a good way to do things
 
you're talking about binding the checkbox to a command ?
 
9:42 AM
yeah that is how i did it
 
the best code is the code you don't write
 
I think it's ok
 
yeah but i also have 2-3 commands so i don't know if its a bit too much
ah well maybe i'm looking too much into it
 
 
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11:54 AM
Hi everyone
 
hi
 
Is there any way to hide Resource not found warnings from the output stream?
 
@WilliamMariager Probably a known issue: stackoverflow.com/questions/10822003/…
The second answer may help but there's no way to turn off the warnings, it seems
 
Peculiar. What's even worse is, I get the warning for a perfectly valid resource.
And the layout looks just fine as well.
 
12:06 PM
Yep, I've had this issue as well I think. Haven't done WPF for a month or so. Knee deep in ASP.NET MVC/Bootstrap
 
I moved the resource to the App resources instead of the control resources. This removed the warnings. I guess it might've tried to use them before the dict was loaded? And when the dict loaded, the bindings kicked in, making everything look fine.
 
Hmm. So there is a solution for some of these issues. Good to know
 
How do you like working with MVC/Bootstrap? I'm not big on web development myself, it annoys me too much all the issues that arise because of the dozens of browsers you have to support.
 
@WilliamMariager If you take a step up from raw javascript and use an established framework, like Angular, you'll find that you hardly need to do any browser compatibility hacks. The framework does it for you.
Styling/design probably still needs a lot of manual tweaking, but code? Not as much.
 
Well, having done web dev in the days of Netscape 4.7 and IE 5, today's tech is so much better. Remember having to do if(document.all){...} to detect IE. Yuck
Now, with jQuery, Bootstrap, Angular, a lot of the pain has been hidden away.
 
12:13 PM
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan Yeah, I'm mostly thinking with the styling/design. Code isn't too bad.
 
The styling isn't too bad. Bootstrap simplifies things. Throw in SCSS and you can have mixins, nesting, etc. for styles.
Plus, tons of add-on libs to make any task easier
 
@Alex Yeah, but very flaky, as the LeftPad fiasco showed.
 
Yeah, for the curious, more details here
With web stuff, you never get that solid feel of WPF
 
There's a few tool popping up for that though. cshtml5.com was pretty good last time I tried.
 
Well dang! Didn't know you could do this...
Create HTML5 apps using only C# and XAML with the new free "C#/XAML for HTML5" extension for Visual Studio
Thanks, @WilliamMariager. Now have another tool :)
 
12:22 PM
The output is obviously very bloated. But it works.
 
Yeah, it's auto-generating stuff, so it can't be like clean code written by hand
 
@Alex And that's the way it should be ;)
 
waves from cubicle
Hi Lynn
Gotta get some caffeine before I do a face plant on my keyboard. BRB...
 
Good morning Alex :)
My coffee is brewing atm...
yawn
 
When WASM gets here. If it gets here. Writing C# for the web front end will be easier.
 
12:30 PM
googles WASM
 
@LynnCrumbling Let me tl;dr it for you. :)
 
Ah! Right...
I remember reading about this in an ECMAScript spec I think...
 
It's a proposed standard for a common binary runtime for browsers. Right now Javascript is the de-facto machine-language for the web - any other language (TypeScript, CoffeeScript, CSHTML5 above) have to transpile to Javascript to be executed by the browser.
WASM proposes a binary format that languages can compile to, similar to .NET's MSIL.
 
How cool is that...
No more just-in-time hit :)
 
When/if browsers support it fully and natively, you could write pure C# against the browser runtime (instead of the .NET framework and runtime), and run it in the browser.
@LynnCrumbling Yeah, the main impetus, from what I've read, isn't to allow other languages to compile against the browser, but to avoid the javascript parsing hit.
Javascript engines have gotten very efficient, so much so that heavy game engines written in JS work fine even on mobile browsers, but the parsing of the thousands of lines of verbose javascript becomes the bottleneck when loading.
 
12:44 PM
I love the idea behind WASM. It's going to allow for some interesting things. Aren't there already browsers that support it experimentally?
 
@WilliamMariager Not quite yet, I think. webassembly.org
 
> I’m excited to announce that WebAssembly has reached an important milestone: there are now multiple, interoperable, experimental browser implementations.
I guess you'll have to fetch Nightly to try it.
 
Wow, how far we've come. And this is only the beginning
 
There's a pretty strong coalition behind it - Mozilla, Google, Apple, Microsoft, all major browser vendors - so I hope it will actually happen.
I hope that in five years we look back at 2016 and say "how did we live in those dark times?"
 
so should I continue to ignore web development for five years ?
 
12:55 PM
@franssu If you can get away with it. :)
But no, I think we're at an interesting place in web development. The Javascript framework landscape is awfully fragmented and full of churn, but it's possible to carefully navigate it.
 
If you're a developer, it's good to at least get your feet wet with web dev
 
It's easy to get bedazzled by the latest and greatest, but most of those will be abandoned in 6 months time.
 
It's funny how browsers are slowly turning into an operating system inside your operating system. :P
 
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan The challenge is to pick something like Angular that has shown it's going to be around and supported.
 
Check out the mainstays that have survived the last year or two. Angular. React.
@Alex Exactly.
 
12:58 PM
Low level access to resources, highly optimized assembly like languages. :P
 
Some years back, used Backbone. Wasn't crazy about it. It seems to have fallen off the radar
 
And these days the kids were all off about VueJS, and I was like "vue who?"
 
If you're going to go Angular, the question is should you learn Typescript? Most of their examples for Angular 2 are in that language. Will it be a dominant language or just another one that will be forgotten in a few years?
 
But it's the best case scenario when you can work with new js frameworks, in many cases you can be stuck with frameworks like Backbone and Aura that proved to be inferior to the new ones.
 
@NovitchiS The point is that they're not necessarily inferior. Just older.
The JS ecosystem in 2016 does not value stability much.
 
1:08 PM
I guess everybody already read this: How it feels to learn JavaScript in 2016
 
@NovitchiS Yeah. :)
 
Little stability means lots of disruption. Hopefully things like WASM will help us devs build better apps without the current confusion and more standardization
 
@Alex Of course, it runs the risk of more fragmentation, when people use Javscript, Typescript, C# or C++ to write web apps.
 
1:37 PM
@NovitchiS God dammit that was painful :P And oh so familiar.
 
quick survey : how many screens do you guys have, at what resolution ?
 
Main: 30 inch at 2560x1600
Right of Main: 17 inch at 1280x1024
Currently looking at a good setup with centered screen in landscape mode and then one on both sides in portrait mode.
 
@franssu At work - 2x24", at 1920x1080 each.
At home, a single 23" at 1920x1080, but I don't use it to develop much.
 
3 : 1920x1080, 1920x1080, 1366x768
 
2 17 inch at 1280x1024
 
1:48 PM
Oh right, Alex were the guy with the tiny screens. :P
 
we've received 4k screens here, I'm impressed
 
Yup, just rub it in, why don't ya? :)
 
@Alex I can fit like 3 of your screens on my main screen. :P
 
not for dev though :(
 
@franssu I've looked at some 4k screens for my upgrade, but I don't see the point if it's for dev, since you don't need a high DPI for coding.
 
1:50 PM
If I end up staying longer than a year here, I'll ask for a new PC and better screen
 
Personally, I find 2560x1600/2560x1440 to be the perfect resolution on a 28"-32" screen.
 
The web devs down the hall get new machines with 32GB RAM and SSD. We're lower on the totem pole... new PCs with 16GB and no SSD
 
@Alex Screen, screen, screen. The difference between 16GB and 32GB is smaller than between a 17" and a good 24-28".
(SSD is important, though)
 
Yeah, I'd definitely go for a better screen before going from 16 to 32 GB of ram.
 
Yeah, it took months just to get a decent chair for me to use. They had to send two people to do ergonomic assessments
Last year, at my contractor position, worked on my laptop with a 16" display
6GB memory
So this is a step up
 
1:55 PM
VS in a 16" screen ?
 
Yep. Web dev work too.
 
That's horrible :P
 
You're telling me!
 
I can't stand using VS on my laptop.
 
And the company won awards. Bosses had new BMWs parked in back, hoping we don't see them
 
1:57 PM
@Hamza_L Hey, I developed a whole WPF app, from scratch, on a 13" laptop.
 
"So, Alex, keep up your hard work and you never know... next year, we'll be able to buy another new BMW. All thanks to you!"
 
@Alex Yeah, I had bosses like that too. Denying requests for a second monitor while gloating over new all-leather seats for their office. :-(
 
at home I have a 15" laptop, but God ! it's painful to use VS on a small screen
 
I wonder what the bosses think they're saving. With a limited work environment, you get limited work done.
I'm clearly less productive on my laptop compared to my desktop. All because of the loss of screen estate.
 
Ahh, there's the operative word: "think". The bosses I had didn't know what that meant. It made their heads hurt.
 
1:59 PM
The reason I want the three monitor setup is so I can have documentation on the side screens while coding on the main screen. Another obvious increase in productivity.
 
Oh, the 13" was a lot less productive. But I was a consultant that hardly had a place to sit, much less a normal workstation.
 
I'm wondering if in my next job I'll have 2 screens
 
and really, how much does it cost
 
I have a mini heart attack just to have think about it
 
@franssu Peanuts, for the budget of even a small company.
 
2:01 PM
The setup I've looked at would cost me about $350, and that's Danish prices which inflates everything. I bet the same setup could be done for ~$200. That's pennies for the gains it gives the developer.
 
2:19 PM
on the topic of screens, i had 1280x768 in start too
but as I've learned over the years, if you want something - just go get it.. so I did :)
company later got me official stuff - cos if he can get it out of his own pocket.. he really needs it!
i've got so many bits and bobs that I've only ever used for office just to make life easier - currently on 1080p x2 screens
 
from my desk I can see 45 screens :D
 
Hack them all and you have all the workspace you need. :D
Go nuts with Synergy. :P
 
2:39 PM
hmm i remember stardock used to have multiplicity ages ago that did exactly that
 
@WilliamMariager, Synergy looks cool, is that a Jack Daniels on the shelf ?
 
3:08 PM
@Hamza_L Synergy is awesome, I've used it a lot. Since before it was even really a thing. I think I have like 10 free licenses to give away from being an early backer. Jack D sadly isn't included though. :P
 
@WilliamMariager If you've got a free license you're not using... do you mind if I take one? :)
 
Lemme check real quick. I got a mail a long time ago about it, but if it's still valid, then sure thing!
 
Thanks!
 
If I understood correctly,so if you have 3 PCs, you can share a mouse and a keyboard between them ?
 
@Alex Can you throw me a mail at nikolaj dot mariager at gmail dot com?
@Hamza_L Exactly. I've used it to test networked applications without having to move between machines. :)
 
3:14 PM
Cool
How does it work ?
I mean, how do one pc knows that you moved your mouse ? bluetooth ?
LAN ?
 
lan
 
You install the server on one machine and the client on the rest. It then makes the other machines act like an additional monitor through emulating displays, so move the mouse to the other screen and it's on the other computer seamlessly.
And yeah, it works through TCP.
 
@WilliamMariager Done!
 
awesome
 
awesome until you try dragging a window accross screens :)
 
3:17 PM
@franssu Hehe, yeah. It actually has support for that too, as a workaround if you don't have enough display ports. It sends the image to the other machine, which shows it, so it works 100% like an additional display.
However, there can be compression artifacts and such, since it's a streamed image.
 
oh ok
 
@Alex And back at ya. Let me know if it works.
 
Thanks. Let me try it
 
> Just give one code to each of your very best friends, and they'll get lifetime access to Synergy for free. They just need to copy and paste the code to the purchase page to get Synergy for free.
That's the message that came with the mail. :P
 
how many PCs can you use ?
 
3:22 PM
Hmm. I think they've disabled the codes. No place to provide it. Now to download the s/w you need credit card.
 
@Alex That's too bad. :( But like I said, the codes were pretty old. I can't even track if they've been used anymore.
 
@WilliamMariager No worries. Thanks anyway
 
@Hamza_L I've tried with two desktop pcs and a laptop. No clue what the upper limit is.
One part I find really cool is how it works across even different operating systems. Must be a pain to maintain.
 
yes, I'm reading the documentation, and it's really helpful
 
Interesting, just stumbled on this: truekey.com/#features
 
3:29 PM
A third password manager for me to try. :D
 
Truekey is free. Kinda unusual for a big company like Intel
Ahh, here's the catch
 
.. 15 logins? :P
It's a nice gesture. Usable for casual users, but I don't see 15 logins lasting long for most people.
 
That's the free version's limit, which is still generous
Yep, for casual users
That's the point. Get you hooked, then charge you.
Reminds me of micro-transactions in iOS games. Free to run the game. Then if you want to actually progress, you gotta pay
 
3:47 PM
I just got my Dashlane fully refunded
I think i'll switch to truekey instead if it pans out
(refund reason had to do with them changing my subscription from 1 year to 5 year when I had to redo payment due to an error and they force default to be 5 year)
Left them a feedback request as well
 
4:03 PM
So far Dashlane has been the nicest. I tried LastPass, but didn't like it for some reason. Might give TrueKey a try.
 
yea I loved Dashlane as far as the product goes
but the business practice of changing my explicit selection of annual renewal to 5 year renewal without any notification -- THAT is what caused me to drop the entire membership
 
That is pretty bad yeah.
How odd.
 
I'm sure its more to do with with a shody "developer" than an actual business practice
I've left them feedback detailing the issue - lets see if they get back to me
 
I got what seems like a personal response that they'll get back to me with a response.
I made a support ticket, got the normal auto-reply that they received it.
 
changing the default to 5 year the first time I land on billing page - that i can understand
 
4:12 PM
Then 20 minutes later, I got a personal response, telling me that they'll get back to me. Seems peculiar.
 
i then changed it to 1 year - went for payment - had an error - came back to fix and resubmitted the payment -- and thats when they had quietly switched it back to 5 years
 
They did a study where they found out when a customer is angry about a product/service, s/he will tell an average of 11 other people how bad it was. That's a lot of lost business
 
I already told them that I've shared dashlane in a room full of developers and that I've also shared their shody business practice
if they don't care.. well good for me - i can try Truekey
since I'm already a paying customer, its a net gain for me as Truekey is a lot more of what I wanted than dashlane
 
A lot of times, the only thing they care about is money.
 
(facial recognition = total win)
yea but lets see.. i wanna give Dashlane benefit of doubt
they seem like reasonable people
took me less than 2 minutes to get a full refund
 
 
1 hour later…
5:35 PM
@WilliamMariager if you try TrueKey - import some passwords into it from your other password manager and you'll be upgraded to 30 days premium for free!
It even supports logging into your windows machine using facial recognition without special camera!
McAfee is now Intel?
 
^ Hope not
McAfee is awful, at least their AV
 
6:06 PM
I love the autocomplete from google when searching...
 
Alex: McAfee is now part of Intel Security
yea i hate their AV, but True Key seems to be pretty nice
 
Saw a friend sharing about trips do Johannesburg so I started typing on google. First things comes up "Is there something to do in johannesburg?" obviously translated
Good afternoon peeps
 
not sure I'd spend a ton of time hanging out in Jo'burg, but there's a ton to do in that area...
 
Idk, I'd go there just because of museums and to learn the culture
Heavy history to learn about the country
 
yeah - though I'd go outside of joburg - it's just not a very safe city, and you really don't want to drive yourself, etc
cape town area is awesome - I've heard durban has a lot of stuff to see
 
6:18 PM
I'm used to living in some kind of danger zone, but with all those riots that were going down, maybe another year
 
:)
South Africa is amazing, really
so it's worth a trip - just... joburg, less so - it's really just a giant city :p
 
 
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7:38 PM
@Maverik Thanks for the tip. I'll keep that in mind.
 
@Maverik You're right
 
8:17 PM
Isn't it convenient that Brazil wannabe president declares that will sell coffee and other seeds to foreign companies a lot cheaper and a week later the mainstream media comes out with a research saying that it is a lie that coffee is bad for the heart...
 
9:12 PM
I'd love if any property VS uses had the default value in the Intellisense
 
 
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11:09 PM
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Q: Is there a way to specify a post condition using resharper attributes?

Johan LarssonSay we have a method internal static void NotNull<T>(T value) where T : class { if (value == null) { throw new ArgumentNullException(); } } Is there a way to tell Resharper's static analysis that a value passed to this method is never null after?

 

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