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12:00 AM
Damn man sorry to hear that
Been there. It usually leads to better opportunities for engineers
 
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A: How to develop excellent software with agile methods?

Martin MaatThe formal answer is you misunderstood agile, agile does not dictate requirements, stakeholders do. The core of agile is not to carve your requirements in stone but rather have them emerge as you go, in close contact with your client, benefiting from progressive insights. But that's all theory. ...

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@Allenph, don't worry about it too much, its not your fault
 
> A great idea that hardly ever works out well because people are just people, doing people things
I think that sums up every thing ever imagined
(from the answer above)
shutdown SO, we found the new hemingway
 
the embarrasing thing about agile software delivery is that at the end of the day, you still need someone half decent to do the coding
don't get me wrong, i love agile when it works and i get to work with people that care
but in my experience, there are definitely places that follow agile processes for the sake of following agile processes
and then its just painful\
 
yep, i've recently discovered that our place is like that
they even hired a scrum master for us
and then fought with him tooth and nail
and eventually fired him
 
12:11 AM
is it only me, or does this page claim to have things on it but doesn't? sailsjs.com/documentation/tutorials
 
oh man, scrum masters like that are worth their weight in gold
 
they did that at my last job
took on all these js gurus to help us move from clunky old winforms to sexy new web app
then fired them all because they advised serious dev process changes, use of third party tools etc
I left because they were effectively porting the crappy software into some godawful asp.net mutant
 
yeah, managers don't like being told they're wrong
the sprint after they fired him they decided to 'extend' the sprint of team 1 (not my team)
but only for that one sprint
which of course messed up all the metrics
and made the entire team depressed
made them all work late
one of the guys has quit and is considering changing professions
 
if i'm still stuck here by december, i'm going to quit and find a job stacking shelves
not kidding
or maybe working at a cafe
it'll be good excercise and free coffee
 
this guy is thinking barista
 
12:21 AM
if money wasnt an issue I would be a floor mopper somewhere where there is a large floor to mop
I love mopping floors
when I worked at KFC I was the best floor mopper in my city. I had to go to other stores to train their cooks how to mop floors as well as I do
 
i was thinking the other day what kind of company i would want to start if i had the chance
and what it would look like
 
I like programming, and it pays well. It affords me a balanced lifestyle. I can ride my bikes, play with new tech and relax in the evenings.
But I have to deal with users and make horrible changes to my software (imo) because users want something different and you have to give them what they want, or they will pay someone else to do it
 
i like dealing with users :/
it gives you a glimpse into what their life is like
more often than not, they don't actually want to use the software, they just want to solve some sort of problem
 
Funny that
 
I'm a Capitalist. Ultimately it's the consumer who dictates what is worth money. The price system is beautiful.
 
12:27 AM
and sometimes, the software is a technical bandaid over a people problem
 
Ultimately, we serve a purpose.
 
depends on the users
when they're combative because the system doesnt work for them, but it does work for 80% of the users
then they suck
 
@hsimah It works both ways. If they're not worth developing for for their money...they're Not worth developing for.
 
like, there's a steering committee for one of my projects. they dictate what happens. then you get pissy users haranguing you over things that you were told to do
 
oh jeez a "steering committee"
 
12:29 AM
@hsimah My fight is with designers, not users.
 
well if the designers talk heaps with the users, maybe you're fighting a proxy battle
 
Also, a steering committee? Let's add a layer of bureaucracy. That always helps.
 
nah man, we need change managment board as well
all changes need to be tracked via RFCs that get approved or denied by a PMO
 
@derp, no. It's more things like "You completely missed CRUD. You want them to be stuck in a state?"
 
where my gf works they sit about 5m from the in-house software team who develops their software. she talks to some team in another state, who liaises with another team in another state, who then get back to the software team. it's like chinese whispers and often is wrong.
 
12:31 AM
The user doesn't always know what they want to achieve. It's easy fall into a pattern of reacting to what users think they want
 
I think users tend to be limited by designers, not programmers. Programmers want maximum functionality. Designers want it to look cool and have a certain "feel."
 
whereas she could just walk over to the team and tell them directly what is failing her
 
let me guess, there's some official Process with a capital P
 
it's a national level telco
 
Almost always they want to forgo functionality for a "flow".
 
12:32 AM
bureaucracy out the wazoo
 
but if your gf did that, there would be like 30 middle managers out of a job
 
exactly
 
30 middle managers...with budget control
and fancy embossed cards
 
people who got there because they were probably promoted out of a position that accomplished something because they sucked at it lol
 
i worked in a telco once...
 
12:32 AM
With those telecommunications companies, it tends to be a lot about government, not surprisingly.
They're the number one contributed to campaign financing here in the states.
 
there's no real competition because its not like a competitor can start digging up the ground and laying new cables
 
We're at a time in human society when for the first time production is trivial and information flow is not.
@derp There is if there are no permits.
Who do you think invented those permits?
 
exactly
not even google can win in the states xD
 
I believe poles and wires should be installed and maintained by a public company, like the roads and water and sewerage
 
isn't it like that in australia?
 
12:35 AM
then have private resellers selling the internet connections etc
not entirely
it is in NZ
in Aus telstra owns a lot of the infrastructure, and they're partially government owned
 
and then you got the NBN
 
@hsimah The government creates monopolies. There is no such thing in a free market.
 
but they also have a monopoly on the good infrastructure (which the public paid for when they were Australian Telecom)
and can squeeze out competitors
 
some public monopolies are good thoguh
 
NZ did the right thing, they split the infrastructure from the service and sold of the service business
 
12:37 AM
@derp They are on the surface.
Read The Wealth of Nations.
 
public own the infrastructure, private entities sell the usage of said infrastructure
 
@hsimah That is a recipe for censorship and bureaucracy.
 
i dunno, i wouldn't trade the australian health care system for what the US have
 
And a few people with a lot of faceless money.
 
because when the public owns the monopoly, they're metrics aren't about how much money they can extract out of it
 
12:38 AM
@derp I wouldn't either. But it is the interference in the market, not the lack thereof that causes our problems.
 
and plus governments by default have a monopoly on one important thing
violence
 
@derp The price system is a perfect abstraction of demand.
 
@Allenph well in estonia and sweden and south korea it seems to work
 
@derp Yeah, in Anarcho-Capitalism we call that the monopoly on the initiation of force.
 
and plus not everyone has the same amount of money
we're super priveleged
 
12:40 AM
@derp That is a good thing, not a bad thing.
It is in the initial struggle for value that we become civilized.
 
Capitalism isn't always good - when the rich amass two much wealth regulation needs to be put in place in order to make smaller businesses competitive to encourage entrepreneurship
 
Not the jump from 70,000 to 100,000 in salary.
 
if i was super poor, i woudl go around shanking people for food
i don't want to get shanked
 
So anti-trust laws need to be put in place - the market should be free but regulated
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You forget about wealth creation and that in a free market the wealthy invest.
 
12:41 AM
so i'd rather a social system so i don't get shanked
free market doens't allow for that
 
@Allenph yes, but once the wealthy become super wealthy they accumulate too much power - and lean towards being monopolies, competition stops and the consumer suffers
 
@derp What other system do you know that makes people who hate each other legitimately be nice to each other with no central beurocrat other than Capitalism?
 
It needs to be a balance
 
now why do people hate each other?
if i was starving, i would hate people who had food too
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum In a truly free market there is no legitimate initiation if force which leads to a truly empowered user. The poor have never suffered more than under the yolk of managed economies.
@BenjaminGruenbaum There is no such thing as a balance when you have delegated the right to initiate force.
 
12:44 AM
The poor aren't just a category
they're people
 
@Allenph that's the thing - if a player becomes too large in a field and becomes a monopoly - they're managing that economy since they are much more powerful than the rest of the market
 
@derp Exactly.
So, wherever they do the best...
 
You need to ensure it doesn't become an anti-trust market
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum and your solution is legitimate violence?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum sort of like how the pharmaceutical giants are able to inflate the prices so dramatically?
 
12:45 AM
@SterlingArcher Exactly.
 
@Allenph wait, what? I would never say that.
 
australia has single buyer, it works out pretty well
a prescription is like 20 bucks
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's literally what government is.
 
@derp cheaper on the PBS too
 
@SterlingArcher yes, in Israel (or Canada) it would have been impossible since medicine prices are regulated and covered (you only pay a fraction of the cost when you need medical aid - but pay a tax)
 
12:46 AM
when my mum had cancer everything was $5
then she went and died and now I have to pay full price again
 
@derp Imagine how much cheaper it would be if that competition was between billions instead of a single large contract.
 
it wouldn't
 
Sorry, that was insensitive
 
:37234685 lol
 
@Allenph yeah, I agree - a government should regulate the economy but not participate in it - and encourage the free market by pretty much leaving it alone and supporting it when new laws need to be made
 
12:46 AM
because billions don't have the purchasing power
and there's one seller
due to the patent system
 
@SterlingArcher nah, I opened the door ;p
 
@derp It definitely would. People said the same thing about goods before the industrial revolution.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum hire me remote, 1 day a week, full benefits, 200k USD/year? :D
 
Read The Wealth of Nations. I've read the Communist Manifesto, and several Keynsian books as well.
 
i think you should do it, he's got a beard
 
12:47 AM
@SterlingArcher hire you for whom?
 
It's true, the salary markup is for the beard
@BenjaminGruenbaum iunno, you need a coffee boy who is good with ES6?
 
@derp Intellectual property is not property and would not exist in an Anarcho-Capitalism society achieved through Agorism.
 
@Allenph blah blah, we've all read those and they do not give anyone authority for it
@SterlingArcher for what?
 
I can't physcially get you the coffee, but I can outsource to a free intern
@BenjaminGruenbaum for TipRanks :P
(I'm joking)
 
@SterlingArcher I quit last week :P
 
12:48 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum What is the purpose of government?
 
how's the job search going @SterlingArcher?
 
No way
 
(Not joking)
 
Voluntarily? Good terms?
@derp not good, it's hard to break into startups
 
@Allenph to make sure there is order and justice for the people, and to ensure everyone gets to write their own life's story.
 
12:49 AM
I'm drunk. I should not be causing a stir here.
 
@SterlingArcher yes and yes, on good terms after 5 years.
 
@Allenph I wouldn't call this is stir, everybody is responding very adulty
 
what are you going to do now?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum How do they achieve that?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum wow, what are your plans? Are you excited to move on?
 
12:50 AM
step 1) don't be a dick
 
Why am I excited for you
 
@SterlingArcher Got more and more to the point I was managing and not programming - quit to do more of that programming stuff, and very. Was starting to feel burnout and decided it was time to move on.
New place is Peer5, they do really cool stuff, I'm joining July 1st
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ah, that's literally my point right now.
I'm more management than dev, and I hate it
 
Why do we not have some sort of voice channel for these chats?
 
@Allenph we sometimes use hangouts to chat
 
12:51 AM
@SterlingArcher have you considered creating your own startup?
 
@SterlingArcher Let me know when we do that if I've been here long enough to join.
 
@derp I'm nowhere near financially stable enough (or idea-smart enough) to do that
 
My significant other is here. So...
 
@Allenph are you in the US?
 
@Allenph by creating a system of government including a code of laws, process of decision making, a protective arm, and strategies for providing various essential services to the people. I find the Mayflower compact inspiring in that regard - people agreeing to bind themselves to law.
 
12:54 AM
yep...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum that's why I'm diligently looking for something I would enjoy. Unfortunately, despite my skillset and verbal communication skills, I'm still seen as barely a mid-level due to my years worked, even when they see I've successfully led a team and saved a $25 million contract from failure.
 
@SterlingArcher are you interviewing a lot?
 
I've only had 1 interview, nobody else will contact my brother back. I suspect it's because he's a recruiter.. but that's a different story. We're working together
On the bright side, they said I interviewed extremely well, they just wanted to get their principle engineers hired first so they would have a place for me. Kind of depressing
I really was amazed by their product
 
well tipranks has a vacancy now?
xD
 
1:06 AM
lol
 
@SterlingArcher you need like 40 interviews lol
Send a lot of CVs
@derp I don't think you'll get past the guy doing the JavaScript hiring at TipRanks now
 
i was referring to @SterlingArcher to go apply xD
yeah on the scale of things, i'm definitely still a JS noob
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum it's tricky because I'm simultaneously helping my brother get clients for his company
 
So stop doing that if that's stopping you from sending CVs
and send a lot of CVs
 
True, there's one place I think I'm going to apply without his help, because it looks super cool
 
1:10 AM
@SterlingArcher that was a determining factor in our decision too just fyi :/
 
@SterlingArcher make that 40 places
 
@Loktar oh I know, I know it's holding me back, but I'm in a good high ground that it's ok (for now)
 
I mean remember you're trying to find you a better job
 
Yeah, I already talked with my brother and he said he wouldn't be cross as long as I just told him so I don't waste his time
 
@SterlingArcher people hiring would rather talk to an engineer than to a recruiter
 
1:13 AM
recruiters often suck and know nothing beyond a checklist the client has sent them
 
lol, my agent made a syllabus for a NodeJS course with topics like "React" and "Webpack" and "Angular". Told her I would be making that instead.
 
@derp backstory: my brother is an amazing recruiter who has already helped me before
 
oh no offense towards your brother or anything, i've just had many bad experiences
 
He's not a checklist guy, he only works with quality, and never "scams" his clients like I've seen with apparently a lot of recruiters
 
He got you one interview so far
 
1:16 AM
No you're good, it's just my reason I'm working with him. I want his new business to succeed, and while I'm being patient, I'm using my skills at finding places to help him get clients
 
I bet you can get 10 by tomorrow by applying with your CV saying you can program in JS
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yup, and he prepared me exceptionally well for it too
 
Yes, but that's one option, you should have 4 good choices to pick from.
 
I know, he's working on about 8-9 places right now for me
 
You need to interview to at least 10-20 places and make a market survey.
 
1:17 AM
He sends me updates everyday
 
I see, but the pace it's progressing is a lot slower than most JS devs I've discussed interviewing with
 
I'll do that when I get frustrated, because him and I both know it's hard to break into startup like companies with a recruiter
 
but if it's a favor for your brother - I can totally understand
 
why are you limiting yourself to startups?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you've seen my CV, haven't you?
 
1:18 AM
Not recently
 
@derp -like. I'm over the culture of corps, I want a fresh, fast paced, laid back, aggressive style
 
i'm thinking that an environment like may exist in corporations with a startup culture
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum what do you think?
 
should be particated, past tense
 
Looks good, although it should definitely have your email and phone there
 
1:21 AM
wait is it past tense or present tense?
 
my real one does, this is a "model" i can show people without giving me personal info
@derp the real one also has fixed up tenses
 
but what if I wanted to send you a photo of my penis
I would need your personal info
 
all you gotta do is ask homie
 
youre being selfish
 
Then looks good
@hsimah smooth.
 
1:23 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum like, you'd hire me good?
(I look up to you, shut up, I know)
 
I would invite you over for an interview
 
i once interviewed a guy who had a very impressive resume
couldn't code
 
Also, I warmly recommend you build up your SO and GH, good answers and open source can do wonders
 
that experience definitely opened my eyes
 
1:24 AM
I wish I had the video of my sensor based security layer, I've been dying to show it to you
 
@derp I think he works for us in Sydney
 
oh snap
...you hiring?
xD
 
My GH sucks, it only has my game in there. My SO isn't horrible, it's already impressed some people
 
I hope no one looks at my github
there's a heap of aborted projects there
 
hey @SterlingArcher what did you use for lobby managment?
in your game i mean
 
1:26 AM
and my SO is just me asking stupid questions
 
@derp iirc I used Redis for everything
yup, redis
Everything except stats is dynamic key value redis data that is flushed after every game, to maximize speed
 
hmmm thanks man
i uhh gots some learning to do
 
same
 
Goodnight benji
 
1:40 AM
Hi.
 
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Q: FullCalendar displayed at wrong time

Renan CarlosI'm implementing FullCalendar in a project, I've inserted some Events into the database and returned them to Json. But by displaying them on the screen, they come with the correct date time, but the display does not show in the correct place. Example, the data comes with the bank start date of t...

 
{ID: 10, title: "teste",... teehee
 
lolol
 
user6820627
 
2:25 AM
sweet, new house of cards coming up
 
@Mosho down 3lbs for the weigh in :)
 
good job
 
Any native English speakers?
 
plenty
i got a C+ in english bro
 
[no in spanish]
 
2:28 AM
I was just contemplating what to eat
 
spiders
 
I think @Mosho is a native English speaker.
 
he is not
but he is flattered
 
It seems native English speakers tend to abbreviate expressions in a wrong way.
I have evidences.
 
pray tell
 
2:29 AM
let's see these "evidences"
 
@ZhengquanBai @phenomnomnominal is really the authority on native english expression abbreviation
you should ping him several times
 
He mustn't've heard that the English language is very abbreviatable.
 
What does it look like.
 
2:31 AM
What's it look like?
 
What''''s it look like.
What's it look like.
 
@phenomnomnominal that hurts because that's a word I'd use without even blinking
 
whats it look like
 
the It should not be capitalised
 
Can "What does" be abbreviated to "what's"?
 
2:32 AM
yes, the apostrophe can stand for multiple missing letters
 
I thought "what's" only stands for "what is " or "what has"
 
It is sometimes, but that doesn't make it correct
Although I guess it does because that's how language works
 
Doesn't make it incorrect either
if people understand it, it's valid.
 
though i could see how it would confuse foreigners
 
English is stupid.
 
2:34 AM
@phenomnomnominal u tink dis gud english?
 
@Mosho yas.
 
yassssssssssssss
 
ah that's just a typo @ZhengquanBai
 
2:34 AM
That is from Redux doc.
 
make a pull request.
 
I thought in some sense that "determing" is easier in pronunciation than "determining"
Yes. Made.
 
sounds a lot like "deterring" though (an unrelated word)
 
 
my favourite abbreviations are [these](https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/689) @ZhengquanBai
"wouldn't've" is another one i use
 
2:40 AM
Wow
GTK.
 
oh god i remember that from QI
 
Contractions are applied here and there by native English speakers. It's a phenomenon for us non-native to be aware of.
 
sometimes the apostrophes are left out; that's what you really need to watch out for
"wouldntve"
 
@Cauterite its sometimes an issue, yes
;)
 
2:44 AM
@Mosho lol the ol reverse gif
 
@Cauterite Jeff Foxworthy?
 
hmm, don't know that one
 
@Loktar I thought the other one was the reverse
did you see the hand swat
 
lol no
was that in Saudi Arabia?
 
Israel
you see the rabbi in the bottom left in the end
they don't have those in saudi arabia
 
2:49 AM
that gif took a ridiculous long time to load
it was 1 image when it was one boxed so wasn't sure what you were talking about lol
 
yeah that was a png :P
 
lol that explains it
yeah man that image above isn't reversed, that was going around when it first came out
that it was actually reversed lol that's crazy
 
which one's a png?
 
wait
what's the reversed one then
 
reversed I guess would be her going from a scowl to a smile lol
 
2:53 AM
yeah I think so too
 
but the real one is the one you posted
 
that's what i thought
 
I thought you meant that one is reversed
which would have been disappointing
 
wow.. too soon
dude works for CBS
 
for another day
 
2:55 AM
I wonder if that's real.. that's fucking insane
hah I guess he deleted it, it was real, mobile.twitter.com/David_Leavitt/status/866790014717497345
 
too late now lol
 
i like his sense of humour
except i *probably* wouldn't have said it in public
 
I've delete the tweet since so many people asked
 
figures he reviews games lol
games journalists are always the best.
 
funny little joke
but wtf is up with that profile pic
 
2:58 AM
LOL
I watched that earlier and was cracking up
he fucking LOVES walls dude.
 
I can confirm it's a pretty nice wall
 
I didn't realize no sitting president had gone before him
 

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