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m59
12:00 AM
I think that's the opposite.
 
'I'll that a win'
 
@m59 no. Miszy is right.
 
m59
I'll call that******
 
you can't write <input ... /> in HTML5
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, you can, but the slash gets ignored.
 
m59
12:00 AM
Must be a difference in terminology....
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's valid, but it's not a self closing tag.
 
m59
That's exactly what I mean
 
@BartekBanachewicz you can even do <input...>
 
@Miszy okey
 
m59
It's self closing (ie - you don't need to close it)
 
12:01 AM
ah lol in that sense
 
@Miszy how about <img .... />
?
 
m59
You can do that, but you don't need to
 
@m59 Nope. In HTML4/XHTML <div/> meant <div></div>.
@m59 That's self closing tag.
In HTML5 <div/> means <div>.
 
m59
So what do you call elements like <img>?
 
It's not self closing, slash gets ignored.
@m59 Um, elements, tags?
 
12:02 AM
@m59 non-closed tags?
 
m59
non-closed it is then
 
@Miszy that page was not changing through various widths of monitors... should I do it?
 
@Cicada3301 depends. he will answer yes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz XD
 
@m59 It's just discussion about wording, they changed it in HTML5 and they use it differently ;)
They call it void elements
 
m59
12:04 AM
Ah.
 
Per spec:
> area, base, br, col, command, embed, hr, img, input, keygen, link, meta, param, source, track, wbr
 
m59
Yeah, I know how it all works, I just confused the term.
 
But still sometimes they refer to "self-closing tags" and I get confused...
Okay, now I get it.
There's no such thing as self-closing tag when refering to HTML5 tags
But spec allows existence of self-closing tags for foreign elements such as MathML, SVG etc.
@Cicada3301 My answer is: YES, learn by experience.
 
@Miszy awwwkay
question: in the dom of this page, in the head there is an empty style... why?
 
@Cicada3301 suckage
 
12:13 AM
@Miszy good news: I could get to the text displaying in the middle! today the text, tomorrow the site... in some time the world!
copot.eu/matei/recreation
 
@Cicada3301 text should be aligned by text-align, not margin
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's the whole div... you'll see in a sec, lemme update the stylesheet
 
If you're going to copy code linked from a comment, at least explain it first. — RUJordan 1 min ago
Like, I'm not against using comments to win an answer, they should have answered, but ffs explain the code.
 
as you can see the original page is all centered @BartekBanachewicz
 
@Cicada3301 yeah, and the text is not :)
you centered the div, not the text
 
12:17 AM
@BartekBanachewicz have you been here all day?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't see any centered text in the original page
other than the footer
 
m59
@SomeKittensUx2666 ^^^
Throw me the chess piece, the day is mine.
 
@m59 that's... cool
 
@RUJordan I'm working all day.
 
it's like an open to all who know the link project?
 
12:19 AM
well and I made a soup
 
m59
Except that the css won't load until angular bootstraps, compiles, and the ajax call for the css comes back.
 
or... no, nvm
 
@Cicada3301 you said "text centering" :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah... it took me some time you were talking about what I said and not what is
 
m59
!!afk
 
12:20 AM
@m59 As stupid as that seems, wouldn't that actually save an http request?
 
m59
dernit how does afk work?
 
Why is everyone using plnkr now?
 
@m59 IIRC disabled
 
m59
@SomeKittensUx2666 because you can create files and it's purty. I use jsbin if I don't need to ajax stuff.
Be back in 20.
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 plnkr?
 
m59
12:21 AM
and it's created in Angular =D
 
!!google plnkr
 
Ah
@BartekBanachewicz dang that's a long shift man
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not disabled, just the auto response.
There's also a two-minute timeout before it takes effect.
 
@RUJordan I'm used to it shrugs
 
12:25 AM
look! I even added a good shadow to it!
the progress is really rapid
 
Your website?
 
@RUJordan a recreation of a website
 
Are you recreating the layout or is this one of those "I like this business I'm going to copy it and make money"?
 
@RUJordan an exercise consisting of trying to express another website with my code
 
Watch out for copyright infringement
 
12:32 AM
Me thinks you could have chosen a better website to try and emulate
 
^
 
@monners what seems easy for you for me means 'meh...'
 
@Cicada3301 I fail to see the difference between easy and meh
 
and this is simulation, not emulation
 
@Cicada3301 he wasn't talking about skill level
 
12:33 AM
@monners meh= it will get some time
 
I think something's wrong on my machine.
 
That website isn't that good. It's simple, bland
 
@RUJordan which is how a good website should be
 
@Cicada3301 Either way, I don't think Monet would have become the painter he did if what he aspired to master was recreating mediocre works
 
Simple yes, not bland
 
12:35 AM
@monners name a website and I'll try that... but I'm sure his first recreation wasn't anything too fancy
 
@Cicada3301 rlemon.ca - Simple, yes. Bland, no way!
 
@monners I call that a bit bland sincerely
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 -_- copy/pasted source?
 
LOL
 
12:37 AM
iframe cheating LOL
 
not even bothered to copy paste...
<iframe src="http://www.hoteljafferau.it/en-en/home" style="position:fixed; top:0px; left:0px; bottom:0px; right:0px; width:100%; height:100%; border:none; margin:0; padding:0; overflow:hidden; z-index:999999;"></iframe>
 
Just imagine how confused the poor dev that's watching this site's analytics must be. Sir... we're getting genuine hits from ALL OVER THE WORLD!!!
 
what the hell is a z-index??
!!google z-index
 
Since when is an iframe cheating?
 
12:38 AM
@RUJordan the depth
 
@RUJordan Seriously?
 
@RUJordan we live in a 3d world
 
@BartekBanachewicz or... do we?
 
@monners yeah, I've never seen that before
 
@Cicada3301 yes.
 
12:39 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I "see" that
 
for all practical purposes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz proof it XD
 
@RUJordan Welcome to the light, my friend. Here, have a layer.
 
@Cicada3301 you wouldn't understand.
 
@BartekBanachewicz i'll try
just don't use overcomplicated unneeded terms on purpose
 
12:41 AM
@Cicada3301 move something by [0,0,0,1]
like, something on your desk
 
m59
So, am I afk?
 
@BartekBanachewicz done....
actually I can't stop it
 
@Cicada3301 you didn't touch it
 
it keeps moving
and I didn't touch it
 
if you're talking about time then it's lame as fuck
just FYI
 
m59
12:42 AM
!!bak
 
@BartekBanachewicz I first thought the same... then I found out it's actually a space dimension... wait... i'll send you a vid
 
@m59 welcome back, meatbag
 
@Cicada3301 yeah, I said you wouldn't understand.
 
12:43 AM
So, the z-index is just rendered by highest index, the number itself means jack?
 
m59
yep
 
@RUJordan yup.
 
@RUJordan It's how you layer stuff on top of each other
 
there's another property for z position
 
@BartekBanachewicz and if you don't consider that a dimension there are other theories about us being in a forth dimensionalworld...
 
12:44 AM
But remember to give the element a position declaration, otherwise z-indx doesn't work
 
@Cicada3301 no, really? so what?
 
can perceive only 3, can only see 2, can feel 1
 
you still can't move a thing by 1w
 
m59
@monners LOLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
I didn't realized what you posted
I was just googling for "What is Love" music video
 
@BartekBanachewicz I may be able to, but I may not perceive it
 
12:45 AM
lol, great minds :P
 
m59
indeed
 
@Cicada3301 no, that's just bullshit
 
m59
Great one =D
 
@BartekBanachewicz take the us all in a pc thinghie: proof me we're not changing the bits contained in the four dimensional being people's pc?
 
that doesn't make sense.
 
12:46 AM
@BartekBanachewicz becouse maybe you didn't hear about it...
 
you should stop talking about stuff you don't understand like you understand it
@Cicada3301 or maybe I've actually heard about that and many other things.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Where's the entertainment value in that?
 
@monners typo :F
 
think that someday we could make even conscious things in programming: something that can really decide by itself: we may be one of them!
 
yeah, now wear your tinfoil hat
 
12:47 AM
@BartekBanachewicz you surely have, then why you still think we live in a 3d world? you don't believe none of them?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Way ahead of ya
 
@Cicada3301 I think our world probably has 11 spatial dimensions to accomodate M-theory and brane theory. So what?
9 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
for all practical purposes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz if so why shouldn't there be a 4th dimension? it is needed for the 11th
 
@Cicada3301 because it's nothing like 3 others.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oooo, layered dimensional theory?
 
12:49 AM
it's just a mathematical concept which doesn't map directly to anything we perceive as "space"
 
m59
the guy in this video is hilarious
 
so you can really assume we have 3 spatial dimensions and think about remaining 8 as something else and that will most likely make more sense
 
for now i'll just stick to the theory that no dimension may actually exist...
 
has anyone had experience with using the MEAN stack, with using an alternative to jade?
 
isn't that java something?
I vaguely remember jade as being terrible overcomplicated bullshit
 
12:53 AM
it turns html/js into something akin to python or Ruby
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have the same recollections about my first girlfriend
 
@monners nice :P
 
no tag closures, everything is tabbed
 
@JoshuaLonganecker what's the use of it?
@monners heh
 
JADE is JATE
just another templating engine.
 
12:54 AM
oic
 
i hate jade, but it comes as a default templating engine for express
 
It's actually quite nice.
Significant whitespace, blah blah blah
I prefer Handlebars
 
Jade's pretty neat.
I like the lack of need to track end tags
Though significant whitespace can get annoying.
 
@phenomnomnominal yeah, that's nice
haven't used it much, but very pleasant so far
 
The ability to precompile everything is really good, does Jade have that yet?
 
12:56 AM
AFAIK, yes
 
i'm working on angular.js projects now with multiple devs, and a significant code base.. i don't want to have to parse things back and forth.
 
@JoshuaLonganecker why not use angular templates then?
 
that's the eventual goal, i'm just having trouble getting started working on a MEAN stack - by default the E in mean (express) chooses Jade as the default templating engine
 
copot.eu/matei/recreation strarting to look somewhat like something similar to a thingie
I explained myself, right?
 
@JoshuaLonganecker shouldn't it just be serving static files that just happen to be angular templates?
 
1:00 AM
again, original website hoteljafferau.it/en-en/home
 
that's what i'm working towards
 
When running express you can choose a different templating engine (say EJS)
 
the closest i've come to a solution is to set it to prefer .underscore templates, which is angular-compatible
so from that side of things i'm in the clear (i've tested, and it seems on the up-and-up)
now the problem is finding a tutorial on MEAN stacks that don't have all their example code written in Jade ~_~
 
Where do you work?
 
@Cicada3301 yep. nice work.
remove the border though
 
1:04 AM
all this MEAN stack stuff is for personal development, but i do localized testing of company projects with bootstrapped data sometimes
 
@BartekBanachewicz in the original website it looks like (didn't look in the code, I'm trying to do it all by eye) the border is a bit darker than the shadow... what do you think? (without looking at the code... and this is definitely too dark)
I think I got it right now @BartekBanachewicz
 
@Cicada3301 well
 
@Cicada3301 If you really want some practice, go and find a web design psd on deviant art (or where ever) and slice/prepare the assets manually. You know, like real developers :P
 
it doesn't have to be exactly the same
@monners I don't see anything wrong in what he's doing
 
@monners as of redrawing all of the images? thx no...
 
1:10 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Not saying it's wrong, I just don't think it's particularly beneficial or realistic.
 
@Cicada3301 what @monners means is that using photoshop, you can 'slice' out images from a PSD to get the assets you would need to build a website (background gradients, textures, logos, etc.) . This is a pretty common technique for building websites from a design
 
@JoshuaLonganecker oh... well... what I'm doing is try and do that not for copying, but for knowing how to do stuff like that
 
i worked at a site-factory as an intern for 9 months and we made websites like this, i built over 100 websites in that time
 
@JoshuaLonganecker Sucks, don't it :P
 
@JoshuaLonganecker when you have instructions on what to build it's not that hard (I think) XD, but when you have no clue what you should do...
 
1:14 AM
@monners Ewwwww.
Real developers write code, not markup
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 sniffle
 
it's a technique that's going by the way-side now, anyway. with css3, there are many easier, faster ways to build sites. the more css you use in place of static/repeating images, the easier it is to update sites when designs change.
 
^^
The good news is that us real developers will be forced to write much less markup
 
yeah @SomeKittensUx2666, just save the whole page design as a .bmp and use image-maps right? :3
 
I'm a markup monkey. Nothing more. T.T
 
1:20 AM
I'm having trouble looping over all orders of an array, I can run a thing for however many values thier are, and have an array that is different for every value, but I can't convert those values into orders of the array.
 
i started in web dev by slicing psd's to html.. i went from there to writing backbone.js apps, then A/B Testing and site analytics, then writing a stock graphing widget for a bank, and now working on angular.js apps
 
@theHeretic orders?
 
it's been a busy two years
 
like 1,2,3 could also be 1,3,2 or 2,1,3 or 2,3,1 or 3,1,2 or 3,2,1
 
permutations.
 
1:22 AM
explain phenom?
 
The correct term is permutations. That should help you search for what you're looking for
 
also phenom: were you the one who rewrote the one thing I asked for help with?
 
@theHeretic maybe?
 
on oscillator sounds.
 
1:23 AM
oh yeh, that was me
 
also, I think I found some stackoverflow things on permutations, thanks for terminology.
 
@BartekBanachewicz it took me longer than expected copot.eu/matei/recreation
 
ya, I had a hard time reading what you wrote, but found the line I missed.
 
yeah you needed to connect the output
 
I think it was something like that, thanks for that at that time. I didn't get to think you when you did that.
 
1:26 AM
all good, it was cool. Make crazy as shit sounds, you should hook that up as a modulator of a guitar input and add some distortion, it would sound badass
 
@Cicada3301 what is the reason for this "recreation"?
 
@RUJordan exercise
 
No shit
What do you expect to get out of this?
If you say experience I will leave.
 
for who knows flash: is it anything easy to learn? as what is in this page hoteljafferau.it/en-en/home
@RUJordan satisfaction?
 
hook up to guitar input? guitars have inputs?
 
1:29 AM
Nevermind..
 
@RUJordan chill: I have much time to waste
 
@Cicada3301 Flash used to be nice, now it's kinda irrelevant.
 
Alright, so why this website?
Why not a game, or something more dynamic?
 
@RUJordan it was a good looking website and my father told me that all websites should be like that... I don't agree, but if it was only this for a common user then I wanted to try how hard/easy it would be
and we know the owner of the website, so maybe I could re-visit it and get a job from him
 
@theHeretic i mean hook up a guitar to the WAAPI and input it into your thing
 
1:33 AM
Is this just HTML & CSS?
Or are you going to make it JavaScript fun?
 
@RUJordan and some marketing js and flash
 
@theHeretic um, yes?
 
@BartekBanachewicz to be fair, it's more common for them to have an output :P
 
Flash?
 
1:34 AM
@RUJordan I'm probably gonna add mobile and more type of screens support, the js galore!
 
Ew, I hated flash
 
orite, you got me there
 
That website looks like it would make more sense to make in html/javascript, maybe even on one page so people don't have to load multiple pages? (links change the innerHTML data)
 
@Cicada3301 no, no js. At least not for that.
 
Other than maybe the rectangles that wipe down, that might be easier in flash.
 
1:35 AM
@BartekBanachewicz don't worry, I'll do it after all of this is finished
 
@theHeretic flash is outdated and irrelevant anyway
 
the obsolescence and lack of maintainability of flash means that nothing is easier in flash.
 
we get the point that flash is outdated...
 
I don't think I'm getting the point. @phenomnomnominal can you tell me more?
 
@RUJordan You're a penis head :)
 
1:37 AM
@RUJordan the point of what?
 
@phenomnomnominal stahp y u so mean
 
I'm a big fan of penis heads.
 
user image
2
 
@phenomnomnominal that website uses flash... I may want to recreate it all in jquery later...
 
Say No to jQuery
2
 
1:41 AM
I think I will get around with this copot.eu/matei/recreation
 
^ "You look mighty tastey, DOM."
 
don't think it will really impress the owner with that.... the not being able to animate thingie
 
Can someone @rlemon make a poster like the "This is your brain on drugs" adds, but with jQuery?
 
I don't photoshop, my swag level isn't high enough.
 
1:43 AM
anybody saying no to canvas at least?
good news: realized I don't know how to canvas!
!!lift canvas
 
@Cicada3301 That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
how was the lift thingie?
 
!!youtube devo
 
1:54 AM
@BartekBanachewicz dangit: almost got it first try
the menu
I think I got it right...
 
<div margin-top="0px" class="span3">
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 talking to me?
 
Nope, just in general
found that in the codebase.
 
2:26 AM
apart from the heavenly flash system it looks great copot.eu/matei/recreation
 
Did anybody just see Navorro Bowman's injury...
Oh my god.. horrendous
 
Nope, because noone else in the world cares about American Football :P
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 I forgot you were in the area... I'm hurt off that my old knee injury twinged up seeing that
 
http://www.copot.eu/matei/recreation/
http://firesidechats21.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/neutral-its-something-l.png
 
2:39 AM
@RUJordan 'in the area' === US?
 
Aren't you SF?
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 Canada, right?
 
@Cicada3301 <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> really? lol
 
@RUJordan :D
it's something...
 
@RUJordan Yeah, but I'm not that big on team allegiance.
More just enjoy the sport.
 
2:41 AM
@RUJordan wait... I know the solution
 
!!s/the sport/watching things with friends/
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 More just enjoy watching things with friends. (source)
 
Redskins for me. Win or lose
 
@RUJordan document.getElementsByTagName('br').display('none'); // C-C-C-COMBO-BREAKER!!!
3
 
I'm from Western New York. More like 'lose or lose'
 
2:42 AM
@monners +1
 
@RUJordan fixed
it was an overflow not controlled...
and I tried to fix with brs.... it's almost 4am here
and I didn't code all day... I feel the pain
 
Fixing with brs is just as bad as fixing with bears.
You just end up with an ugly stump of a hand either way.
 
Arrrrrggggghhhhhhh
 
@RUJordan and looaaaads of dead kitties :D that's why I like brs/bears
 
2:47 AM
HAMMAHTIME!
 
HAMMERZEIT!
 
<BEARS>
Or if you want to be hip: <div ng-BEARS>
 
m59
hahahaha
 
2:48 AM
<input data-bear />
 
!!define hammahtime
 
m59
anyone play Cajon?
 
@Cicada3301 No definition found.
@Cicada3301 My pocket dictionary just isn't good enough for you.
 
!!urban hammertime
 
@RUJordan Hammertime "Cool" kids can't say it anymore because they're too busy listening to Snoop Dogg and shitty punk emo.
 
2:49 AM
Well, I guess that's true.
 
that's what I found too... but never got to understand what it actually means
 
m59
<!-- directive: bears -->
(not as cool)
 
!!urban Snoop Dogg
 
@monners Snoop Dogg He does his own laundry.
 
that's.... very helpfull...
 
2:50 AM
!!urban Snoop Lion
 
@phenomnomnominal [Snoop Lion](http://snoop-lion.urbanup.com/6707119) Snoop Lion

The name Calvin Broadus, (formerly "Snoop Dogg") gave himself after smoking so much hardcore dank jamaican kush while simultaneously listening to Bob Marley that he had some kind of weed-enduced epiphany where he came to believe that he actually was Bob Marley.
 
:D
so... can anyone explain me plz what stop hammertime actually means?
 
MC Hammer
It's a song
 
but why is it used so much?
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 did you see Richard Sherman just trash talk Crabtree in the interview? omg that was so funny
 
2:55 AM
@Cicada3301 someone wasn't alive in the 90s :P
 
<-- Is not watching the game
<-- is working
 
@phenomnomnominal okeeeeee but I hear people at my age exclaming it often...
 
Stop working this is football
#FOMOF
 
anyway...
 
ITS A PALINDROME AND A HASHTAG AND AN ANAGRAM WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT
 
2:59 AM
I... cheese.... but... dead kittens... sorry pa
anagram of what?
 
just had a pretty decent quake here - 6.3
 

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