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12:34 AM
wtf is a return of escrow
 
@Mutch95 here is an amazing description for you
 
wow, that's quite smart you've discovered that.
sarcasm.
 
smart answers for smart questions :P
truly hope it helps
 
I already tried that, I didn't fully understand it
I think it's just a cancelation
 
Double l
 
12:43 AM
hepa derp
 
Double l mutch.
 
which is what I want
opps
 
lol
escrow return is usually a failed sale so your items held in escrow are returned to original party
party/parties
 
yay!
 
what kinda ide would popcorn-time use to dev their working guis that look near identical on mac, windows and linux?
 
12:47 AM
what
 
the app popcorn time
if you look at their desktop source its just one zip that can be compiled across all platforms, what kind of ide do they use to build it?
i mean the program is written in ceh plus plus for the most part but how it look so pretttyyyyy
 
1:02 AM
hard work and diligence
You have the source so you have the answer right?
 
Yes! i understand every single line of it no problem
its qt
 
Then they use an editor capable of working with Qt
Perhaps the Qt IDE?
 
are other ide's capable of working with qt?
 
Maybe the C++ part of it
 
#way above anything near my level of knowledge
 
1:23 AM
I get to sit in a car for 4 hours tomorrow
to do nothing, this is how much my time is worth.. woo-_-
 
Seems enjoyable.
 
1:50 AM
@Maximilian Chauffeur?
@nil I've found a way to defeat you. By creating a chatroom called NSArray, you will be forbidden from entering
 
user457812
You have fun with that.
 
Unless you transform into NSNull
 
user457812
The thing that should worry you is that my insertion into the room will crash the room.
 
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Foiled Again
 
He's got you beat.
 
1:56 AM
Damn you Nil
 
user457812
This room is the Obj-C Esoterica.
 
Damn nil is right, I keep finding him when unwrapping an optional value.
 
I'll get you one day Nil.
 
user457812
The only way to get rid of me is to switch to Haskell.
 
Might consider it.
 
user457812
1:59 AM
Probably ill-advised. One of the worst communities on the net because it's impenetrable.
 
Apparently functional languages are worth learning.
Is that out of personal experience?
 
user457812
Outside looking in
 
user457812
Haskell is basically academia. It has its own special, difficult to follow terminology and doesn't really like you bringing in your ideas from the outside.
 
Maybe you missed it
I can't comment, I've never learned a functional language
 
user457812
If the phrase monad means anything to you right now, whatever it is, it's not what it means in Haskell
 
2:01 AM
However, the Haskell logo is absolutely sick.
 
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The only other problem with Haskell is that it really likes weird operators.
 
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Scala did this too, since you could define your operators
 
How is that not cool .
 
user457812
Swift lets you define operators but I'm hoping it doesn't end up like Haskell and Scala
 
define operators?
Like =
+
-
or
and
That sounds pretty crazy
 
2:04 AM
I'm already horrible at this, don't add defining operators into that mix. xD
 
Defining operators is not a new concept
 
Was it formerly hardwired in assembly
Or something (for C)
Or does C allow you to define operators?
 
Nope
Actually I am thinking of overriding operators
Defining new ones is relatively new
 
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Not really that new.
 
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Just new-ish in modern imperative languages
 
2:07 AM
Hey @nil, long time.
 
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I suppose. I see your status change on Skype every now and then.
 
Hehe, I've recently had to use it. I never use Skype.
If it changes, it's probably a third party integration doing it.
 
user457812
I have to use it at work because a few of my coworkers suck at using hipchat.
 
Hehe. I'm still in school - my coworkers don't chat at all.
How ninja are your Xcode skills
 
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We currently have at least three different IM / chat programs open because there is a small war going on between hipchat, jabber, and skype.
 
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2:11 AM
I have about five because I also use IRC and chat.so
 
Messages for Mac!
Protocols > Platforms
 
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I'm pretty sure I'm not a ninja, but I helped removing the requirement of opening xcode from our SDK build process at work, so there's that.
 
So that counts for some experience with the command line build tools then.
 
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I'm a fairly CLI-heavy person.
 
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This drives a few of my coworkers insane.
 
2:14 AM
Lol, I wish I were. I like my Xcode though.
 
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One of 'em the other day mentioned that they liked how instead of pasting a bunch of numbers into a spreadsheet, I just saved them to a text file, opened pry, and read them all into an array to mess with.
 
haha
 
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'Cause, really, there's no reason I should have to touch my mouse normally.
 
True that.
I transitioned to trackpads years ago, and hope to move away completely one day.
 
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As for Xcode, I hate it. It's slow, the UI is awful ever since Xcode 4 (Xcode 3 did it right-ish), it crashes a lot, it doesn't have basic programmer's text editor features, etc.
 
2:15 AM
I liked the new UI in Xcode 4+.
Never crashes for me - guess it's a matter of taste?
 
Are there no alternatives to Xcode?
 
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I liked it initially but found that the sidebars being in fixed positions and the general lack of screen space on most computers to be an enormous hindrance
 
Well I assume you could write everything somewhere else and then import it in.
 
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Whereas in Xcode 3, you had different window layouts, including the one for the old Project Builder (was renamed to Xcode) where the project window, the editors, the inspector, etc. were all separate windows
 
You could toggle the sidebars, and resize all the panels.
But you wouldn't know that because you don't use your mouse. ;P
 
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2:17 AM
So you could have your windows in whatever layout you wanted in Xcode 3 by just arranging them differently
 
Ah, I see you what you mean.
 
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Yes, but the sidebars take up the whole 100% of the window height
 
Right.
 
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And they're usually showing semi-useless information on 75% of them, particularly the inspector which mysteriously always has that dumb item picker thing at the bottom
 
@Owatch There's one alternative: jetbrains.com/objc
 
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2:19 AM
Then you get to the problem where if you have sidebars open and open a UI editor, you have so little screen space to work with, and as a result you just end up with never quite seeing everything you need to
 
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You can now zoom out, but if you zoom out you can only look at things, since if you try to edit anything it goes back to being zoomed in
 
@nil The picker on the bottom can be collapsed, it's got code snippets and UI components for those of us who interface with devices besides for our keyboard. :p
 
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The snippets are mostly useless since you can just type them in and they'll be completed.
 
@nil I taught myself two keyboard shortcuts early on: Command + Shift + 0 and Command Zero.
 
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The UI components are only useful when you're in the UI editor, otherwise.
 
2:20 AM
@nil Snippets are mostly useless, and yeah, I hear that.
33 secs ago, by Moshe
@nil I taught myself two keyboard shortcuts early on: Command + Shift + 0 and Command Zero.
 
user457812
Also, editing anything autolayout related is ghoulishly mean.
 
Auto layout makes a lot of sense in code.
 
On the other hand, I can't stand multiple windows
 
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Seriously, you try to click on something and it'll just select a different view. You have to hover for like a second before it'll register either, but after that it'll still select another view. ಠ_ಠ
 
Unless someone has a way for me to easily switch between them using the keyboard
 
2:22 AM
@nil But UI editing varies. Xcode 6 improved on those things a lot.
 
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@borrrden ⌘`
 
Xcode 6 can toggle on and off various things so it's not so cluttered if I recall
 
user457812
Xcode 6 improved things but it still sucks compared to Interface Builder.
 
IB will let you try to run it on Yosemite, but will crash.
 
Oddly enough that command doesn't work on a Japanese keyboard
 
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2:23 AM
The only other issue is that if you have a large enough storyboard and lots of stuff to layout, Xcode will of course be slow as hell
 
It's ⌘ + the space where the ` key would be on a U.S. keyboard
That is one reason I mostly stay away from storyboards
 
@nil Yeah.
 
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I like storyboards, but they're limited utility
 
I'm learning them.
 
user457812
shortcatapp.com ← Also, on the topic of mouse-less navigation.
2
 
2:26 AM
@nil Well well. Thanks.
 
obdev.at/products/launchbar/index.html with shortcatapp helps in finding items
 
@nil perhaps you want to help me with my crazy goal.
I want to restore Xcode's Java capabilities.
Do you have any idea what I'm talking about?
 
user457812
I have no interest in making Java work anywhere
 
lol
 
Oh well.
 
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2:30 AM
Besides that, I talked with Apple engineers before Xcode 4 was released and they said support was still in there.
 
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Might've been removed since then.
 
I mean, I got an external build system target to compile a fixed file, but I don't know what to do next.
 
user457812
If you need to do Java stuff, use IntelliJ.
 
@nil I think it's still still in there - I poked at the internal frameworks and stuff.
Looks like it's all there - I just don't know what I need to do to turn it on.
 
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Depends on what it being turned on means
 
2:32 AM
Three parts:
 
......I'm trying not to giggle at this
 
1. New files don't support Java.
2. Editor support doesn't work with Java.
 
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1. Save file with .java extension.
 
Sucks 4 you
 
3. Compilation support.
 
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2:32 AM
2. Not much of a surprise.
 
This aint no java room
 
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3. Probably stripped as of Xcode 4.
 
@Maximilian It' an Xcode conversation.
 
Xcode to java?
 
@nil So the thing is that it's not entirely stripped. I can easily use javac as an external build system.
 
2:33 AM
without my hair I feel so free
 
@Maximilian Yeah.
@nil So I want to get an Xcode 3 window open so I could play with the templates and stuff. That's how I bricked my Mac last week.
 
@Maximilian I also keep my hair short.
 
I tried running Xcode 3 and to see the templates, and to do that I changed my system version in the PLIST that defines it. Bricked my mac.
 
I used to have it really long, like below where my cheek is, and then i started getting it shorter and it was still longish, like bangs in my eyes and such, and now its super short
 
I don't like my hair long.
It's difficult to manage
 
2:39 AM
I used to, but my issue was always washing it:P I hate washing long hair because when its really long, then your face is still wet forever while it drys.. if its a bit long then its in your eyes while wet, and still need to shake it off longer than when its short.. takes like 2 seconds to make my hair dry:P
 
That too.
 
Also when its wet like a strand will curl towards inside my ear and annoy me
 
My hair is somewhat water resistant too.
 
Im renaming this room, NSHairChat
 
Takes forever to get throughly wet.
 
2:40 AM
I want my NSHaircut
same
 
let's not take that out of context
NSSalon
Is more suitable
It would be nicer if my hair was a little thinner
It's not that thick, but it does become annoying if it's long
 
NSShave
I wish my beard and mustache would grow faster, i mean it grows within a week but its not thick at all and so I must shave it off again cuz i look weird
 
Yeah, never trust your barber with autolayout. Your hair will end up in all kinds of ambiguous layouts.
 
My last one didn't speak English
Pretended to though.
 
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Can't imagine why Xcode 3 would brick a modern Mac, but oh well
 
2:45 AM
LMFAO Moshe, tats hilarious
 
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Weirder still since I know someone who uses Xcode 3 still
 
Anyways, I started cleaning up Flow:D I had multiple methods, like one called openURL and one called search: (which was in another view controller!) which had the same code basically and made the same web view do the same thing-_-
so redid that, and now removing lots more code.. too much repetition in my app
I am implementing key commands in my app:] its cool
and I'm lucky my dad owns a keyboard
I probably have the same code to add a new tab in 1 view controller like 20 times-_- I need to clean this all uo
Also need to make URL scheme handling better... Lots of repitition
 
@nil It didn't directly.
It just refused to run, so I tried tricking it by changing SystemInfo.plist
 
Damnit
I typed:
-> vs .
In google to try and refresh what the difference was quickly
And I get Victoria's Secret
 
user457812
3:13 AM
-> dereferences and accesses, . accesses.
 
lol yo
 
How do I define a method that may take two different object types?
Perhaps I should clarify, it will take one or the other
 
user457812
One or the other what?
 
Not two at a time.
Nevermind actually.
 
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Kind of a shame the drone hijack scene in Metal Gear Rising isn't gameplay.
 
3:16 AM
One type is a subclass of the other
I feel like I'm the road to confusion.
I've got a class I call "Item", a subclass of NSObject that holds a value and some other useless stuff
Then I've got a subclass of Item called "Container", which can hold instances of Item.
I've got to implement a method in the container class that allows items to be added to it. The problem is it should also be allowed to take other containers. So that a nested array configuration is achieved.
I'm trying to figure out how to define the argument that this method will be taking, since it should be able to take both items and containers.
Since 'Container' is a subclass of "item", it shouldn't be an issue, I'm not sure why I'm blankin
@nil Should I watch a playthough on youtube?
Sounds like an impressive game.
Would it be wiser to implement two different methods? One for containers, the other for items?
 
@Owatch My mom started reading this over my shoulder: "That's pretty inappropriate."
smh
Is there an Xcode build variable to grab all the files of a certain type?
 
@Moshe If you scroll back up you'll find more suprises
 
@Owatch Don't want to.
 
If Container is a subclass of Item...
 
$(SRC_ROOT) etc. But for .java files?
 
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3:30 AM
@Owatch Maybe. Depends on how much you like cheesy action and bisecting things.
 
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Or trisecting. Or really just dicing stuff.
 
All Pointers to containers are also by definition pointers to items
 
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Since dicing things up is kind of a gameplay mechanic.
 
@Owatch I saw those - and promptly ignored.
 
3:31 AM
You saw them.
It's engrained.
Your excuses will not save you.
@nil What do you mean by bisecting things?
 
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Exactly what it sounds like.
 
My you're difficult tonight.
 
user457812
I could make a video of it, but you could just look up a video of the gameplay on Youtube
 
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That said, it's a game where you have a sword and bisecting stuff happens
 
Bisecting as in the gameplay is split up into multiple video's because it's a playthrough so it's up to me if I like that stuff, Bisecting as in it's split between different characters and it's up to me if I like that stuf?
Oh, Bisecting in the sense of gore, and it's up to me whether I like that or not.
 
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3:35 AM
Bisecting as in your main weapon is a sword and things get cut in half
 
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Not necessarily things made of meat
 
There we go.
 
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I mean, I'm cutting up a watermelon right now
 
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'Cause I saw a watermelon and I thought "yeah, I'm gonna cut that."
 
You play on Consoles nil?
 
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3:39 AM
Only a few games.
 
I'm pretty sure MGR is XBone Exclusive
 
user457812
I'm playing it on OS X.
 
You. . are?
Oh, an older iteration?
Nevermind
 
user457812
I'm pretty sure there's only one iteration of MGR.
 
I'm thinking of a totally different game
Metal Gear Solid
 
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3:43 AM
I've never played the original Metal Gear or Metal Gear Solid
 
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Though I did play Twin Snakes, so I basically got the improved Metal Gear Solid.
 
I watched the playthrough for Aliens: Isolation
While the Alien's AI was a bit funky, I thought they did a fantastic job, at least from my perspective.
 
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It's a very pretty game, aside from all characters looking even more like mannequins than usual.
 
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Don't care for it otherwise.
 
The amount of effort that must have gone in is incredible.
The characters did lack expression though. Someone needs to bush up that motion capture
It was genuinely frightening to watch sometimes.
I loved the theme.
The combination of older clunkier technologies with modern space exploration.
I keep recalling that the central computer part was the most memorable.
Hurray, chapter 2 is finished
Challenge is complete.
I'm off to bed
 
4:06 AM
Good evening
 
user457812
Alright, second to last boss battle done
 
which game?
 
user457812
Metal Gear Rising.
 
Nice - I play iOS games, like Oceanhorn.
 
user457812
I mainly play games on Mac OS or the PS3.
 
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4:30 AM
It is now time to fight a giant, robot ant
 
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Piloted by a psychotic libertarian.
 
user457812
Also, I was slightly wrong, not actually second to last boss fight.
 
Good Morning
 
4:44 AM
Good afternoon.
@borrrden Did you check my Crossy Road score in Game Centre?
Your welcome.
 
Enrico
 
@EnricoSusatyo What's your high score?
 
280 ish.
What's yours?
 
190 ish
Is it possible to add constraints programmatically?
 
4:55 AM
Yes.
I do that all the time.
 
Ooh, time to do some reading.
 
But hang on before you do that, what are you trying to do?
There are 2 major official ways to add constraints, and 1 unofficial way.
I use the unofficial way.
 
I don't exactly remember if it was you I was talking to about it, but I'm attempting to make this 'dynamic cells' for a table view, which expand and contract if needed.
Someone told me it was better to do through code, and not IB.
 
Ah, I think I skimmed through it.
Do you want it to be compatible with iOS 7 too?
 
lol my wife is still beating you Enrico
2
 
4:59 AM
Quite frankly, no, it would add more confusion for me, and this isn't going on the App Store, so iOS 8 is fine.
 
@borrrden GOD DAMN IT, I WILL NOT ADD HER IN MY GAME CENTRE EVER LOL
Zap: In that case, you can do either through code, or IB.
Hang on a sec, let me give you a blog post that I read a while ago.
 
@borrrden What's her score?
 
296 or so
 
Ok, if you really want to support iOS 8 only, read this: useyourloaf.com/blog/2014/08/07/…
 
Great, thanks, also just read about VFL so I think I can manage.
 
5:09 AM
Also, one more thing, I use Masonry. Even if you don't want to use it, read the readme section. It's a really handy tool if you want to learn to use it one day. only took me a few hours to learn.
 
Good Morning Guys
 
Good afternoon.
 
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5:35 AM
Final boss of MGR is really damn hard. ಠ_ಠ
 
Cocoapods is now fucking with me.
Don't say anything, nil.
 
after a long period of extensive studying i have finally come to the conclusion
 
5:50 AM
Please do share it.
 
"I have feelings for the same sex" ?
 
Enrico If I'm not mistaken you are quite experienced with parse right?
 
apple support is 100% garbage!
i shared it im sorry
 
Aw, I was so close
 
nayoso: A little bit.
Aww, I was going to get there too.
 
5:54 AM
the apple geniuses = useless x 100
4 hours on phone to have them tell me "they do not know" to my past 6 questions
 
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@EnricoSusatyo Fuck Cocoapods.
 
Hmmm what do you think is the weakness?
 
@borrrden i already am a lesbian so... :-P
or a troll, can never really tell
 
@nsij22 You ever spoken to a Samsung genius?
lol
nayoso: It's good, but it can get very pricey.
 
Samsung has genuis!?
 
5:57 AM
Recently they made things even sweeter.
 
I HAZ SAMSUNG
and lost password!
 
nsij22: no, but you know what I meant lol.
 
cant hey helz?!
lolol
 
really?
30 req/s is free right?
 
i actually need someone to hack into my google account for me!
can someone hackzor my google pass?
 
5:58 AM
and 1 million unique recipients for free?
 
Yes, nayoso.
For most people it's cheap.
I'm talking about if your users are in the millions.
But I have a few criticisms too.
Their support is shit, and their docs is also shit.
 
Ah I see
 
They copied StackOverflow style website for their support, and the answerers are kinda not that helpful.
Are you thinking of using them? I recommend them in general.
 
Hmmm I'm just looking for fast temporary solution for static push notification
for cross platform
 
But if you have some time, I would also look at Azure just as a second option.
For static push notif, Parse is so damn easy and reliable.
I give you that. Hahaha.
 
6:01 AM
OK enrico thanks
 
the new hobbits out on torrents!!
oops wrong chat
dont Dcma me!!!!
 
6:43 AM
I give up with these dumb self sizing cells.
@EnricoSusatyo Can a tab view controller store data to pass between the tabs?
 
6:57 AM
Even if it can, that's a bad idea.
Keep your data in your model class, and let your view controllers ask the model about the latest information.
 
I'm totally rethinking all of it, and I'm looking into this Parse thing I keep hearing about.
 
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