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4:29 AM
morning
 
Good morning guys
Has anyone here knows how to setup free price in google in-app billing?
sorry for the question now I know why I can't set the price to 0 or Free
 
 
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7:18 AM
hi !
 
7:49 AM
morning
 
8:06 AM
@Ahmad it's really stupid with the bounty I even had a question with a bounty once, where my answer was the only one and still the bounty was lost oO
 
8:31 AM
@user2097211 Rejected for default username.
 
user457812
Hey look cats
 
user457812
Nice to see the old rules are still working.
 
what up oscar...Ocus, I thought you had given up on ownership? Apparently you can't stay away :P
 
user457812
Am I still the last one to voluntarily drop ownership?
 
hey nil
 
user457812
8:43 AM
Yo
 
@LeoC rejected. 14 days member, 28 reputation, only questions...
@ManishSharma you are requesting tech support. Rejected
 
lucky: I do what the heck I want ;p
 
hahah
spoken like a true owner
 
user457812
You're not a true owner 'til you depose another owner.
 
OcuS go depose Warren
 
8:47 AM
yo lucky not much... learning... and stuff... and you?
@WarrenFaith BEST PIC ever yesterday :D
oh actually it was from jul 31
 
nil: before deposing a true owner, I need to pratice more on the deny accesses. Maybe starting with you ? ;)
 
just getting ready for my driving test today haha...it has been a while since I took the test
 
why do you have to redo it?
 
you mean Jessica?
 
Mine expired...and I waited too long
and I got a ticket a couple weeks ago
 
8:49 AM
yes ;)
 
where is the pic??
 
@luckyreed76 hear you only have to do the test once and drive forever then :P
 
user457812
@OcuS You could, but it'd be sort of rude to remove write access from a past owner.
 
in france, they never get expired. I'm 16 on the picture ; look like a lil' baby ^^
 
lucky it starred onthe right side, the last one
 
8:50 AM
last one on the star list, Lucky
 
haha...I know it sucks
nice
 
nil: I do not care ;p
 
user457812
Hey Warren, gimme ownership status again.
 
haha
 
8:54 AM
haha
 
Ocus you better remove him before he takes you out
 
user457812
Lalit, weren't you an owner?
 
here? No I wasn't!
 
user457812
Must be thinking of someone else.
 
you might be thinking of Raghav!
he is owner here
 
user457812
8:56 AM
No, I definitely remember Raghav.
 
you might be thinking of me, I was owner, but then I generousely gave my power away again, because other people couldn't handle me
 
I will not enable nil to start an owner war
just to be honest: If you call me The Beast, I can't imagine the name you will give nil
5
 
well his name is quite obvious THE PENGUIN
 
user457812
I was basically pure evil to anyone who broke the rules.
 
user457812
Incidentally, I'm still part of the rules.
 
9:02 AM
even in the android people room :D
 
user457812
Also, I wouldn't start an owner war. I'm just mean to people who request write access.
 
user457812
I did remove owner status from someone in NSChat, but that was after they went off the deep end and started removing people from the room for disagreeing with them about whether Inception was a good movie.
 
lol
 
Inception was a good movie!
 
user457812
9:03 AM
Not even like angry disagreements either, just a civil "well I didn't like it"
 
user457812
Was the weirdest thing I've had to do.
 
I liked it, too
@LeoC nope, rejected, again. Please do not request access again. Join anther android room if you need help. You will not get tech support here!
 
@WarrenFaith lol, I didn't know that Android People Room too has a list of Rules :P :D
 
user457812
I liked Inception, but I can't imagine removing someone's write access over it.
 
yeah seems to be new.. also that they are in gallery as well
 
user457812
9:06 AM
Hahaha, holy crap, I'm in their rules too.
 
user457812
I wonder if they know the rule is about me.
 
I doubt it
 
if I had owner ship I'd remove acccess from lucky, then let him back, then remove it again, until he'd be on his knees and begging me to let him stay... I think this would only be fair
 
user457812
Actually, looking at their rules, they're also copying stuff out of the NSChat rules.
 
user457812
"Ask for write access but don't be surprised if it's revoked when you go against their spirit." is pretty blatantly taken out of the NSChat room description.
 
9:13 AM
@luckyreed76 FYI, I created the demo, you can have a look at it :-)
 
@nil I haven't expected anything less from them
my respect for them is... well... non existent?!
 
user457812
Well it's apparently more than I have for 'em.
 
user457812
Yo.
 
9:31 AM
hello!
 
9:59 AM
 
I hate this week...
 
user457812
I'm rather enjoying it because I actually got a somewhat realistic chance of getting hired.
 
congrats as soon as you have signed the contract...
 
user457812
Like I said, "chance."
 
like I said, "as soon as" :D
 
user457812
10:07 AM
I'm trying to be optimistic enough to not just assume I'll be rejected off the bat.
 
user457812
It's hard to not be pessimistic.
 
"I try hard to be optimistic but I know I will fail of being so."
 
user457812
I'm pretty sure pessimism helps programming.
 
Only if it doesn't prevent you from trying.
 
user457812
I'm too lazy to not try.
 
10:14 AM
"Trying is the first step toward failure." Homer J. Simpson
 
user457812
I'm basically so lazy that I will invent stuff to further my laziness.
 
The best programmers are ^^ I do to.
(That does imply I'm a good programmer lol
 
 
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11:43 AM
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Q: Unable to login and Call SIP/VOIP library doubango with TLS for android?

KhanI am also new to NDK development and I am try to develope application based on SIP/VOIP protocol. Application etc. After searching I found this library which used in application library for second app link And downloaded and managed code from the given example according to my need and on UDP...

 
hello ;)
 
12:05 PM
@Khan removed access. Your first message here is a question link. Well played...
@DwivediJi rejected. You join only to get tech support
hey dawid
 
12:22 PM
@WarrenFaith thanks
 
sure
 
> Don't star nil messages and unimportant messages.
LOL
 
woooo sorry for that.. :)
 
Like actually. They wrote their room rules just like they program
Copy & paste all the way
 
indeed
 
12:24 PM
or do they mean the nil like the one in obj c?
Wouldn't make sense though
 
SilentKiller: please never forget... :D
23 hours ago, by OcuS
don't ping him, don't ping him ! you'll summon The Beast !
 
hahahaha sure sure.. you are hard working guy.. :)
 
someone wanna join me for a test?
I just need one
 
> Please use global language "English" to communicating each other. (If you are using your local language, you'll be lose your access)
Something paradox.
Sure, shoot
 
12:27 PM
Ahmad is English this much important..??
 
sillent....
 
I think every programmer should be able to speak english. I don't comment my code in german. I always use english :)
 
Ahmad... even i dont code/comment in Arabic. but the thing if a person can not able to share in english with local developer he/she can share with him/her in local language.. thats all...
 
Yeah sure, but most programming books are in english; the docs of most languages or frameworks are in english and most stuff you will find about your specific programming language will probably be in english. So yeah, you have to at least be able to understand that.
 
Ahmad.. agree for that completely agree.. but all are not same. don't have sharp mind. so i just want to say that we should support them not to neglect them.. :)
ya if this thing repeat we can take strict actions.. :)
 
12:36 PM
Yeah you're right about that. I always forget that. :)
 
I had this discussions dozens of times
 
Warren Sir, Please correct me if i am wrong.. it wil be pleasure... :)
 
@SilentKiller maske marna band kar ab
 
please, with an e :D Warr e n
 
sure..:D
 
12:38 PM
Please don't use 'sir'. I can imagine, that this makes him feel old lol :D
 
my basic opinion is that even a newbie developer should go through the tough school of learning english.
 
agree warren
evey one should learn english
 
I got the second worst mark in school for English (1-6 and I got 5)
 
in Smart Developers' Lab, Jul 31 at 12:03, by Aamirkhan
1 hour ago, by Aamirkhan
Jul 22 at 5:41, by Aamirkhan
This is for all who are in this room: "Kindly Note down to have a Conversation in only English Language,we are having developer from out side india also,so be care full while speaking" Thanks
this i posted in smart developer's lab so many times
 
the problem is not especially that we don't want to help people who have a hard time explaining their issue in english
 
12:39 PM
Really warren? a 5?
:D
 
it is, imho, more important that others can read the question and the answers as well
 
to help people we need to have a comman communication meduim
 
Yup
 
to make that possible we should stick to the programmer lanugage: English
 
everyone are not that much intellegent. as you have native language is English you guys can speak. but in Asian countries they don't have English as native so problem arises.. :)
 
12:40 PM
yeah,it will help fresh coders more
now @SilentKiller you lost :P
 
<- German, English in school since 5th year
 
Warren not in all schools English is compulsory
 
I had 8 years of English in school and still the biggest stuff I learned after school while reading English books, watching English television
 
i learn english because i love english :D
 
I know, but today with the internet it isn't that hard to learn English
 
12:42 PM
my national language is hindi
 
same here... even you had revoked my access because of bad english last year.
@Aamirkhan all don't have sharp mind like you.
 
I have to admit, that I never read a programming book in german. It just feels weird.
 
good morning everyone
 
my mind is not sharp,mind it
 
Even i always try to see movies, read news paper and books as i want to learn English that helps me alot..
 
12:43 PM
it is kind of nonsense to do because there will always be a mixed wording. You shouldn't translate Array or Collection (though some authors do that...)
 
Hi jcaruso
 
Jcaruso Good Morning...!! :)
 
Thanks for the edit and upvote ahmad
 
np :)
 
good morning silent
 
12:45 PM
Its going to Night here in 1 hour.. :D
 
look at this
down vote
 
hahaha what is this..??
 
i had it around last september, i complaint to admin but no reaction
it's me
:D
 
Consult to Gordon..
 
What happened there? haha
 
12:46 PM
some one just down voted one by one to my all questions and answers,feeling annoying
 
somrthing fishy there.. :D
 
it's not that much bad,even not mentioned the reason of downvote
 
i am talking about left pannel so many windows. .:D
 
@Aamirkhan holy crap
 
that's my desktop
 
12:48 PM
:D
 
@Hardy you are in 12 chat rooms. There is no valid reason why you should chat here, too.... if you can keep track of 12 rooms, you should think about doing something more important with your time...
oh, that means: rejected
 
ouch
 
i am so tired
now time to go home
bbye every one
 
bye
 
I would love to join... still some hours of work ahead...
bye
 
12:51 PM
join me on iftar party :D
 
@CapDroid rejected. You ping, you paste code... no chance here
 
dang... warren knocking them down left and right this morning
 
it's time to leave bye friends
 
@SimonZettervall Welcome! Please read the room rules.
WHAT
WHY
 
12:56 PM
I knew this was coming this year :D
 
The constant sound pisses me off. I could go berserk if I hear it one more time.
 
lol
 
you can disable it on the top right... just for you to know :D
 
Yea but I want to hear it when I'm mentioned, not from this stupid access request overlay.
 
we will keep your seat warm and, well, wet :D
 
12:58 PM
:D
 
I could have written a user script to suppress it but well, let's be honest. My interest in Android is lim n → 0
 
well I thought you already hit 0 kelvin :D
 
Microsoft, die Meister des Vermöglichbarens.
That's totally not from HIMYM.
 
hahaha
 
1:04 PM
On that note, a last message.
o/
 
bye
 
Ahmad : Allahhafiz. :)
 
o/
 
That's a person waving lol
Khudahafiz
 
1:07 PM
i am toooo Innocent.. :D new thing for Me...
 
I am usually too lazy to type things out.
 
hahaha.. In Sha Allah i'll also learn.. ;)
 
 
hahahahaha
Finally AllahHafiz.. Dua-e-Khair.. :)
Bye bye leaving time @all....
 
1:23 PM
@Ahmad Thanks, I have been a member before but it seems I got reset or something?
Anyway, I am looking for a SurfaceView in Java, have you heard of anything like it?
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Q: Dedicated drawing surface in Java like Android's SurfaceView?

Simon ZettervallI am looking for a dedicated drawing surface in Java to draw 2D very fast in succession, very much like Android's SurfaceView. I have been using JPanels but I am not sure about the performance and efficiency when calling repaint() multiple times. The documentation says that: If this componen...

 
jpanel is the thing to go...
at least I have used it :D
in the video from Octavian you see a protestant with a shield: "Race mixing is communism"... shortest explanation of stupidity I have ever seen. Both in ethic and political meaning....
 
@WarrenFaith Yeh I tried to use it but then I have to call the repaint() and it is like invalidate(), not instantaneous. SurfaceView then you have the Canvas to draw on and I want that control in plain old java too. :/
So weird that no one knows a good equivalent.
 
well the draw thread isn't instantaneously, too
you lock the canvas to draw on it
locking means you wait for the next switch cycle of the framebuffer
on android that means every 1/60 of a second (roughly 16ms)
@rahulserver rejected, you want tech support...
@Priyanka rejected, you want tech support...
Simon, have you measured how many redraws your JPanel can do on your pc? I would say easily more than your screen can display (above vsync level)
 
2:28 PM
 
@WarrenFaith Sorry, by saying instantaneously I mean that I have full control over the canvas, the swapping is faster than the invalidate method
I have not done any measurements yet, and maybe I am damaged from working with Android too much :P
 
why do you assume that you don't have full control?
 
If you compare a View and it's invalidate method which takes a lot of time to finish if you call it a succession, to a SurfaceView and it's underlying Canvas where you lock the canvas then do your thing, with SurfaceView I have more control
By control I mean speed control
 
I still think you are looking for micro-optimization
you can't compare a invalidate call with a canvas draw call
 
But is it not the same thing with repaint()?
Being an invalidate call
It traverse all the other components and draw according to peer or whatever?
 
2:34 PM
repaint shouldn't do remeasuring the layout
so invalidate on android should be totally different than the paint method in JPanel
basically draw() == paint() so in both cases you have the same "speed" and "overhead"
 
I thought the repaint did calls to measure stuff.. Maybe I did not understand the method
Would you recommend using Swing then?
JPanel and so on?
It feels "too easy" to be efficient.
 
according to the doc revalidate does the invalidation and measurement etc
repaint just draws
 
I see, so then I should be ok with just using repaint in a JPanel?
 
I would say so
you should use java2d, of course
Applications should not invoke paint directly, but should instead use the repaint method to schedule the component for redrawing.
 
But in the doc it says "If this component is a lightweight component, this method causes a call to this component's paint method as soon as possible. Otherwise, this method causes a call to this component's update method as soon as possible." Note the as soon as possible. This is what has been bugging me.
Schedule.
 
2:41 PM
like I say, the lock in android works the same
 
It will also merge calls if they happen in a loop fast
 
you always draw off screen
 
Yes on another buffer
Double buffered
 
yeah so you also just draw "as soon as possible"
and on android not more than every 16ms
on desktop you easily end up with 300fps
 
Aha, so they meant like that
I am still thinking about invalidate.. they also said as soon as possible
I just get a turn off when people say as soon as possible
But now I understand more clearly, thank you!
 
2:43 PM
sure
 
Will try the JPanel stuff and see how it goes
 
you should keep in mind to support vsync!
 
support = cap at 60?
 
partly :D
 
Lol I hate vsync xD
Oh well thanks again!
 
2:45 PM
well if someone has a 120hz screen, give him the chance to use it
 
I was thinking about just letting it run loose
 
I am not sure if you can detect the hz the screen supports
running loose means: waste of energy and possible heat up of CPU/GPU (which might make the laptop/desktop fans speed up as hell)
you don't want that :D
vsync also improves the visual feedback
no jitter and "in draw replacement"
 
Lol, then my direct translation did not go that well. What I meant was that if the guy has 120hz screen then let him experience 500hz if possible, no point in capping is it?
Maybe you meant what it meant for the user?
Never mind I see what you meant!
Thanks!
 
 
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5:31 PM
with this I say good bye for today:
 
have a good one warren
 
i wasn't really talking today, but at least i'll say goodbye: goodbye ^^
 
lol
Forgive can you take a look at:
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Q: PHP Insert seeming to rollback

jcarusoIt seems to me that this is not committing its work. It says that it inserts the data, and it get back an incremented id. However its not in the database. Am i missing a call to commit the work after executing the statement? <?php //Make connection $con = mysqli_connect('xxxx','xxxx','xxxx') ; ...

 
@jcaruso .... my php script days are over : www.yiiframework.com
 
lol
 
5:44 PM
@jason Welcome! Please read the room rules.
 
DENY!
 
5:54 PM
@jcaruso idk why....but this cracks me up everytime I look at it
 
lol
 
anyone wanna try to win a nexus 7, androidpolice has you covered (no I dont work for them....but I have won stuff in past years)
 
i entered
 
6:10 PM
so im trying to figure something out
im adapting my app for landscape mode, but during the splash screen its doing all kinds of crazy shit in the background thats going to just crash the hell out of the app if you rotate (which would cause the full lifecycle to go through and stuff)
it would run multiple instances of the login task and all hell would break lose
so i was wondering if there is a way to lock an activity in the current orientation its in when its created
like it supports both landscape and portrait, but once you load it in either it stays that way
all i can find now is ways to lock it on portrait always or landscape always
 
well i got back up to 61 rep quite fast
 
@JMRboosties <activity android:name="......" android:configChanges="orientation|screensize|keyboardHidden|keyboard"/>
 
hahaha
i doubt you mean to repy to me
 
d'oh!
then override onConfigurationChanged in your activity and check newConfig.orientation
 
Does anyone recall a blog post or video by one of the Android devs that showed how to implement the chevron that displays to the right of a selected item in the list?
I don't think it'd be hard to figure out, but I wanted to find that post regardless
 
6:28 PM
@forgivegod so adding those enums basically tells the app which config changes you will control, right?
 
yup
you may not need keyboardHidden|keyboard
that was copy-pasta/my-mistake
 
thanks
 
lol
 
6:54 PM
anyone know what "This FragmentManager should be recycled after use with #recycle()" means and how to fix it?
 
you using a DialogFragment with it?
 
yes
 
show with the FragmentManager instead of the FragmentTransaction
 
heres the syntax i have android.support.v4.app.FragmentTransaction ft = getFragmentManager().beginTransaction();
 
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