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5:21 AM
Sheesh, 15 hours since last posting? Stop having fun on the weekends!
I'm having a 'Good Code Day', which is the developer opposite of a 'Bad Hair Day'.
 
 
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user868935
6:52 AM
hello?
 
user868935
@nil you there?
 
user457812
I am but my level of cognition right now is somewhere around seal levels
 
user457812
Possibly crayfish.
 
user868935
so you been drinking lol
 
user868935
@nil just had a quick question
 
user457812
6:57 AM
I haven't been drinking, I'm just extremely tired and about to go shower.
 
user868935
what does "objItem" at the bottom of this page mean?
 
user457812
Only thing I see at the bottom of the page are some "related questions" and a copyright notice.
 
user457812
re: the code, figuring it out is your job. That's why you're a programmer and I'm a writer.
 
user868935
"I dont know" would have worked perfectly :/
 
user457812
7:00 AM
Sorry, but it's one of those things I refuse to do.
 
user868935
You must understand that not everybody knows the same degree of knowledge of any particular area. Someone may be an awesome debugger. Some may know this or that area. But what you said is not a good attitude, because you may need help too with something also
 
user457812
Well, I'd think if someone's only an awesome debugger, they should probably quit their job
 
user868935
you missed the point...
 
user457812
And if I need help with something, I'll create an SO question for it, not ping a random person in the chat.
 
user457812
If that helps you understand my annoyance with being singled out for a question about someone else's code.
 
user868935
7:06 AM
Then why are you here in the first place?
 
user457812
For discussing random things.
 
user457812
Not to be pinged with random requests that I parse someone else's code.
 
user868935
Who's?
 
user457812
Especially not if it's on a Q/A site other than SO.
 
user457812
Who's code? Whoever wrote the code you linked to and asked me to figure out for you.
 
user868935
7:07 AM
Ummm, that code is not unique
 
user868935
Furthermore, people have been passing that code as their own for points
 
user457812
And now I get to point out that you missed the point.
 
user868935
You went into left field with that one
 
user457812
It doesn't matter who the other person is, the point is that it was written by someone other than me, and I don't want to parse someone else's code that isn't relevant to me or what I'm doing.
 
user868935
So why are you here in a chat room if you dont like questions?
 
user457812
7:09 AM
I'm not interested in parsing random context-less code either.
 
user457812
To chat with folks.
 
user457812
I like discussing other folks' projects and discussing my own without it being a Q/A thing. If I want Q/A, I go on SO.
 
user868935
Well you've come to the wrong place for random talks
 
user457812
I think you might be confused if you think I'm the one in the wrong place.
 
user868935
And not all questions are Q/A. A lot of questions are just for insight
 
user457812
7:11 AM
I don't think you can claim your question up there was anything other than "I need to understand this code so I can copy it."
 
user457812
I highly doubt "insight" factors into it.
 
user868935
Far from it
 
user868935
By your own words, textbooks are nothing but copying and pasting
 
user868935
Professors are just walking answers
 
user457812
I've no idea how you'd come to that conclusion.
 
user868935
7:13 AM
Reading comprehesion
 
user868935
Critical Thinking
 
user457812
Professors offer you avenues that you can explore, not answers
 
user457812
As a student, if you choose not to explore those things, you get a bad grade. That's how things work.
 
user868935
And I have and do explore
 
user457812
And yet you seem disinclined to explore that other fellow's code. Why is that?
 
user457812
7:14 AM
Nevermind that you don't seem to understand why I'm annoyed at your question.
 
user457812
I think if you took a moment to sit down and think about it, you'd realize that I am pretty justifiably bugged by your behavior.
 
user868935
I've explored many of the same variations and came to the conclusion that most (99%) are too incomplete, badly written, and poorly constructed
 
user457812
@ChocoMan Hey, you there?
 
user457812
@ChocoMan You wanna take a look at this random block of code and explain to me what one random identifier means?
 
user868935
I've no problem with answering questions here.
 
user457812
7:16 AM
@ChocoMan You don't? Well that's just rude.
 
user868935
Its an exercise
 
user457812
Does it make sense yet?
 
user868935
Ask a question, try to solve a problem
 
user457812
Yes, ask yourself a question, try to solve your problem. If you can't solve the problem, post a question on Stack Overflow, not ping someone on chat and see if they're willing to offer their dedicated services to you.
 
user457812
Does it make sense yet?
 
user868935
7:18 AM
And before I even bring a question up in the chat, I exhaust my resources from the people I know, scour pages and books
 
user457812
Answer my question. Do you understand why I would be annoyed at being singled out to figure out code for you?
 
user457812
Do you comprehend what you did?
 
user868935
If you dont like questions, fine. Do you. But dont be so disrespectful with your replies. Nobody is here for that. People come here to discuss things ask questions on different topics and so on. If you just wanna chat, there are plenty of other places to do that.
 
user457812
That's not answering my question.
 
user868935
You are not being singled out because you arent the first person I asked
 
user457812
7:21 AM
And yet prior to pinging me, you asked nobody in here. Why is that?
 
user457812
Why ping me and not just ask the room in general?
 
user457812
Why single me out?
 
user868935
3 letters: n-i-l
 
user457812
Do you think I'm just the help receptacle/dispenser?
 
user868935
because my index finger was closest to the the N key lol
 
user868935
7:22 AM
Now your ego is just getting too big
 
user457812
In the future, I don't want to see you pinging random people for questions unless there's a precedent for you needing to ping that specific person.
 
user457812
The fact that you haven't yet understood my point is enough reason that I'm simply going to make that a rule for you in this room.
 
user868935
Trust me, you are far from the talented. I've been in here with some very talented individuals. They didnt give me answers. They helped me understand the problem with real suggestions and with the attitude that you so freely give to everyone else that comes in here
 
user457812
Let me be clear, I don't care if it's because you think I'll give you an answer or because your finger was closest to the N key. I care that you are pestering people without reason.
 
user868935
Im not looking for you or anybody to feed me a fish. I would rather learn to fish so I can feed myself
 
user868935
7:25 AM
You are the only one offended
 
user457812
Offended? No. Annoyed? Yes.
 
user868935
From my time being here, there has only been 2 of you, and you are the second
 
user868935
I think you enjoy this
 
user457812
So keep that rule in mind. I'm going to enforce it.
 
user868935
All the sarcastic, yet needless response
 
user868935
7:26 AM
So now Im getting threats?
 
user868935
Because I asked you a simple question?
 
user868935
Nobody is asking you to write someone's program for you lol
 
user457812
@devilsmind Rejected due to low quality questions/answers.
 
user868935
@devilsmind dont mind nil. He is just rude
 
user457812
I'm not being rude, I'm just telling him why he isn't getting write access.
 
user457812
7:29 AM
If he improves his questions and answers, he'll get write access.
 
user868935
So now you are playing God here?
 
user457812
No, this is just how write access has always worked.
 
user457812
It's not my policy, it's how things have been done in the room since making it a gallery room.
 
user868935
So you are just denying him because...
 
user457812
Because his questions and answers are of a low enough quality.
 
user868935
7:31 AM
Who are you to judge?
 
user457812
I'm me, and if another owner makes a different decision, that's their call.
 
user457812
That said, if I read his questions and answers and feel like they're poorly written and lack the kind of qualities I expect in a good question or answer, then I make the call to reject him.
 
user457812
And I did just that.
 
user457812
It's not like I'm flipping a coin here, I'm evaluating him on what he's put on SO.
 
user868935
Wow... You are stupid period...
 
user457812
7:35 AM
Yes, I'm stupid for taking into consideration what someone has done and deciding whether they look like they'd contribute to the room. I apologize, master Choco, for doing the same thing that gave you write access.
 
user457812
Somehow it's unfair that it's applied to him but not you
 
user868935
Instead of letting him in your God-complex kicked in...
 
user457812
Did you not understand the part about this being the way we handle write access to the room?
 
user868935
Ummm, nobody gave me access. I got in on pure reputation
 
user457812
So if I took away your write access right now, that reputation'd get you right back in?
 
user868935
7:37 AM
I've never needed write access
 
user457812
How much you wanna bet you don't need write access to chat in here?
 
user868935
Anyone want to talk android?
 
user457812
Let's do a little test.
 
user457812
Now, can you still talk?
 
user457812
I'm waiting.
 
user457812
7:41 AM
You've got write access again.
 
user868935
8:08 AM
わぁ~。。。怒るだなぁ~。。。それから、みんなさんはあなたが見えて。それから、あなたで、それがとても悪い。。。さあ、じゃね!
 
8:27 AM
hey @all
 
user457812
Yo
 
hey @nil do you know of places to advertise for apps in the google play market?
 
user457812
I know .. adsense was it? did offers for Android apps.
 
@nil yeah that I know of I was thinking more of forums and such for free pimping of apps
I found a few, but figured there must be some more out there that I haven't heard of
 
user457812
I considered it, but ultimately it was more expensive and the stats for ads→sales were low enough that it would've actually cost me more than I could have possibly made.
 
user457812
8:30 AM
Not sure about forums.
 
user457812
I'm not a marketing person, it's totally outside my area.
 
did you advertise your app at all?
 
user457812
I posted it on a forum that I forgot the name of, that was it
 
nice
 
user457812
After that a few folks mostly came to me saying they were posting a review, making sure it was okay to use the icon in the review because it's my IP
 
8:31 AM
seems to have gotten a pretty good reception
 
user457812
Oddly, it was mostly just Japanese people..
 
oh wow they actually contacted you about it? That seems pretty nice
I found there are a few sites that just scrape info from the google play market
 
user457812
I have no idea why my app (a live wallpaper) was popular in Japan.
 
yeah I saw soemthing similar with a ton of downloads from saudi arabia
 
 
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5:20 PM
hi there
 
Yo
 
5:38 PM
@ProfSmiles Happy Bday!
 
 
2 hours later…
7:49 PM
Welcome @DragonWork you now have write access. Please note that this is a chat room and that Stack Overflow remains the best place to find answers to questions relating to the android platform
 
user457812
8:34 PM
That reminds me, I don't think Chocoman is coming back. He seems to have anger issues when it comes to talking to me.
 
@nil, did you kick him?
 
user457812
No, he just got angry and stormed off after rambling in Japanese
 
oh well ... each to their own
... but scanning the previous fracas (?spelling) it seems that he has the complete wrong end of the stick regarding this room and so you are vindicated although you may want to avoid biting when you see a fly on the water
 
user457812
9:10 PM
It's rather difficult to avoid.
 
10:01 PM
According to my ability to type "define:fracas" your spelling of "fracas" is correct.
 
10:46 PM
thanks @WarrenFaith! :D
 
user868935
11:01 PM
Woooow nil... First you get high and mighty, then you become Joseph Stalin, and when you feel someone has best you at your own game, you crossed your arms and pouted your lip, then blocked me from speaking when I wanted to end the conversation and get back to talking Android... lol
 
user868935
Inbetween time, you rejected devilsmind from speaking, because his question didn't fit YOUR standard. I see why this room has died from being the place to go these last few months. Its your mouth and your attitude that turns people away. Others have spoken about you when you weren't here. Your sarcastic and disrespectful comments piss people off. Instead of giving a humble "yes, no, I dont know," you choose to berate people in a sly fashion when a simple answer to an query would be just fine.
 
user868935
11:17 PM
All I said in Japanese was the truth. I said you were angry and that everyone will see you for who you really are and that its bad (for this room). So you can keep your room since you feel almighty and and powerful in it. A selfish boy plays alone, so I hope you have a good imagination. じゃね!Translation: "PEACE!"
 

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