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2:14 AM
#about
 
2:50 AM
Yow!
 
 
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5:21 AM
Heya @uni
 
@miniHessel Yeah obviously you would want to play chess with my after I've gone to sleep.
Heya @Ita!
@fge That was the original plan too, but then having an excerpt is always better.
@fge Sure, would be great. ;)
 
So the JavaBot has been renamed to Java's initial name OakBot :)
 
No, that's a different bot. :)
TBH JavaDoc sounds like an amazing game for a bot, but JavaBot still sounds better.
brb
 
JavaDoc sounds like an amazing game for a bot ? :S
 
 
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9:00 AM
Hello Guys
 
Hiya
 
How are you @Vog?
I hate my Job
 
I am quite fine.-..
performing final proofread on a small "paper" or whatever you may call it of mine..
and I, too hate my job sometimes..
 
I have been working as java developer in the software market since last 3 to 4 years and guess what, have worked only two to three months on java
That's really crap software industry where you don't have to work on java @ all and you are hired as a java dev
 
What do you work on?
 
9:04 AM
@ItachiUchiha I rarely fix bugs in application which are mostly data related so have to perform db fixing, mostly, they have work like creating new forms in application from UI, fix some XML related stuff
And then they expect us to be a kickass java developer
I am working for IBM (you won't trust that)
My bad luck since I stepped in the software industry, I found large companies to work in and you know, large companies don't have work @ all
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My morale is -infinity right now
 
eeee? there's worse you know..
 
@Vogel612 Is there?
 
not having a job at all for starters..
 
@Mr.777 TRUE :D
 
or... having a completely derpshit rertarded Superior.
 
9:08 AM
@Vogel612 Dude, trust me not having a job will do better, atleast I will have time to work myself
 
I wouldn't be so sure about that...
 
Now you spend 8 to 10 hours a day in office learning nothing
 
anyways, back to minor corrections...
 
@ItachiUchiha What job do you do?
 
@Mr.777 I work, something similar to you :P
 
9:11 AM
@ItachiUchiha lol then how do you manage to learn and have so much knowledge?
 
HELLLOO~! :D
 
hi
 
hi
 
suggest some interview questions for java for five years experience
 
Dpends what technologies are you preparing for interview
 
9:24 AM
looking for core java questions
 
I wish I have a job in which I could do nothing.
 
@Unihedron you don't trust me ....
 
@Unihedron Trust me, you don't wish
 
It's excruciatingly crappy
You'll feel like your whole life goes to waste...
 
At least you get paid.
 
9:25 AM
@Unihedron Yes, it seems good in the start
 
i'm starting to hate eclipse
 
but with the time when you feel like you are far behind in new skills etc
 
and was
 
why? @Rudi
 
"server starting time over 300 of wtf mega error" ... "the server is started correctly"
i preferred it does not runs
 
9:28 AM
@RudiDudi Then you shouldn't hate eclipse. Tweak the time out settings for the server
 
at least i would have some certainties
 
@Unihedron of course!
@uni but admit I had a good one going!
 
@miniHessel and then what went wrong?
 
i'm not racist, i hate everything today
 
@Mr.777 I got an important call and there was no pause button..
 
9:29 AM
@Mr.777 Why would? Sure it would be great if you are on cutting edge development. But then again it all doesn't matter that much when it comes to making a living.
 
Cutting edge development?
 
For example, top algorithms of programming all involves research level maths. i bet most of us in this room doesn't do research level maths.
 
at least i have not to have any important call
 
or something that implies relationship
 
9:31 AM
I mean that's the point
@Uni, you learn from doing and what if you are working sine 3 to 4 years and you are not proud enough of your skills
 
@Mr.777 Then you don't learn anything new from working.
 
@Unihedron Exactly that's my point
Learning & earning if both goes parallel seems satisfied but only earning and no learning is crappy
 
Learning could be important if you're working with cutting edge tech, but I beg to differ.
How often do people write 3D scene demos anyway?
 
@Unihedron I am not sure
See, the point is, what if you are earning good but in the end of the day, you have nothing new or in the end of the year, what will you do if you were in my place @uni?
 
Which would you rather pick, rich or famous?
 
9:37 AM
@Unihedron I will pick knowledge
so yeah famous
 
I guess we have different objectives. At the end of the day, I didn't really get anything out of building a compiler. YMMV.
 
@Unihedron Why are you working on JCE, BTW?
 
@Mr.777 Because CE is in Python.
 
@Unihedron And what are you earning from it?
 
9:39 AM
and accessing python from java is meh..
@Mr.777 who wouldn't want a chatbot??
 
@Vogel612 I am trying to make a point to @UNi :)
 
@Mr.777 Nothing. But if I could pick I would still ditch it and go find a job, if only programmers has demands at all over here.
 
@Mr.777 I know..
 
He has the objective to be rich
 
i need to learn GUI programming, Does Javax.swing.* suffice for GUI programming(thick client) or java.awt.* is any more required?
 
9:40 AM
@overexchange swing is retired..
 
@Unihedron Exactly, so right now, you have nothing to earn but you are doing it for learning, right?
 
JavaFX is the new thing
 
package name?
 
I'm not really learning anything but meh. Whatever.
in Shadow's Den on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 22 hours ago, by DroidDev
@ShadowWizard @Uni and @Pro :D
in Shadow's Den on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 22 hours ago, by DroidDev
@ShadowWizard bot-masters :D
 
@Unihedron haha you simple ended the discussion with nothing
 
9:42 AM
I don't know how else to put it with, considering JCE is kind of made in the thought that JavaBot's networking code is becoming spaghetti and there really needs to be an easier way to programmatically use Stack Exchange chat.
 
@Unihedron Few days ago you were thinking of what if static methods could be inherited but then you found something nested class (I consider this as learning)
 
Sure, you can put that. Writing code gives you access to more practical aspects.
Touche.
 
Exactly, so you learn by doing
 
On that topic, inner classes are totally broken by the way. It isn't a virtual class in the case that inheriting classes enables you to override their existing inner classes, instead builds upon them. Honestly, it saddens me.
It's so not modular.
 
you often put the new learners in the direction to write as much code as possible and read the good code
 
9:46 AM
Software industry jobs are like... 75% of your time will not be spent programming.

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I should teach a class about "All the stuff they don't teach you in college that you need to know to be a software engineer."
 
So, how should one still manage to learn?
 
You can't.
 
So, there is no hope.
I don't know why people dream of working for Google, IBM etc
 
Mandatory comic ^
 
@Mr.777 learn outside your work. i work for the sake of earning for survival.. i learn somewhere else, via books and other stuff.. LOL. idk, i dont even know if i was on context with what you and @Unihedron is talking about
 
9:51 AM
@LeeJeong there is no time for learning. You spend 8 to 10 hours in office and then you are exhuasted
 
i managed to learn Java from reading on my travel on the way to work or going home... i dont want to be a bother with my colleagues asking so many trivial questions that they think on their level i should already know.
 
Morning
 
Morning
 
morning @Gemtastic so did you recognize your mom today at the crowd outside?
just kidding! :D
 
What would you rather be then? A project manager? To be honest, the TIMES article once listed the worlds' best jobs. Mathematicians remaining top, while software engineering and STEM roles were about defined as great as being doctors, at 6th-12th.
 
9:55 AM
@LeeJeong Nope, I did not :P
 
TBH, jobs are drudgery. That's why they even pay.
 
that's why they're called jobs
 
jobs sux
 
You don't say?
 
jobs are systematic way of entrepreneurs to manipulate the general public to create bigger money while keeping employees at controlled satiety
 
10:00 AM
but hey; if you have to work with something; programming is pretty neat.
 
id rather work for dancing and arts... but its meh, not money at that field.
 
no, selling your body is pretty neat(I guess?)
 
depends on the quality of the body. xD
 
... So yeah, I definitely wouldn't be sad to have a job where I do nothing. Honestly. YMMV.
 
@miniHessel :P
@Unihedron I bet, you will be
 
10:04 AM
@uni are you ready for sexyChess ?
 
Hey, I unlocked mechanization!
@miniHessel ಠ_ಠ
 
I totally agree with you @Unihedron ! Doing nothing unlocks the possibility of doing things you love(like browsing things you have actually interest in)
give me an invite!
 
(What the world? Copy pasting the face of disapproval gave me a quote.)
 
My main hobby was computers, until I started working it..Then I had to find a new hobby.
 
@miniHessel Here's the catch, programmers has zero to no demand over here.
 
10:07 AM
Come to me, I give you a job on the day.
Now, chess!
 
10:28 AM
seen somewhere on the web, a programmer with lotsss of screens as in super hardcore programing scene, but on his right window a beach, and lots of dumbells and barbells. Now that i do it, doing bits of lifts from time to time to make blood flow, im realizing it was not an extreme scenario at all then..
and i find posting here and talking is much more ok than browsing my FB newsfeeds.
 
Legendary checkmate: I checkmated @miniHessel in four moves
 
hey
 
nice
 
I slept with everyone in the world!
shemales as well!
thats legendary check mate
 
/me wonders when miniHessel will start playing seriously
 
10:34 AM
<- bad loser
 
That's a lie since you did not sleep with me
 
ಠಿ_ಠ
 
I should have won the previous game uni..
 
not even in the literal sense
 
don't get cocky
I slap it!
 
10:34 AM
Yeah that's what you've said for every past game.
 
Hey, admit it
 
I spectated your first game
@mini you were exposing your King too much to @Uni and was not thinking at all
 
lol ^^
 
@Unihedron True that
Want to play with me?
 
Sure, I can try to play both of you at once ;)
 
10:40 AM
lol
okay invite me to a game
 
8 mins + 5 sec/ move
 
taken suicide
 
10:51 AM
FINALY!!!
 
Congrats, you won 25% out of all games we've played! Consider yourself a hero.
 
it was like having sex at the first time, clumsy but goooood
I accept that you are a better player than me.
but it felt good to finally beat you.
btw, I believe it's like 10%
 
Good game @Mr.777!
It was a draw.
 
Thanks
 
Unusual start because I kind of wasn't focusing between two windows. :D
 
10:59 AM
My lead was walking around me so couldn't really concentrate a lot but yeah that was fun
 
:P
Be right back, gotta do something.
 
:O
AKA "brb gotta take a dump"
 
No, there's spam on drupal.
And now it's on sharepoint!
 
11:32 AM
Break the silence.
 
Thanks, that was very helpful. I don't have anything interesting to talk about though.
 
Neither do I.
:D
@Uni
 
@Mr.777 I learn by doing :)
@miniHessel heya, good that you are getting better at something other than sex :P
 
Why don't you just say something new about Java stuff so that we all could learn
@ItachiUchiha But you do exactly what I do at work :D then how can you learn by doing ;)
 
@Mr.777 I have my ways :P
 
11:39 AM
@ItachiUchiha tell me too so that I could also learn dude
Alright, so why should one use Lambda expression at all?
 
@Mr.777 First, whatever you wanna learn should excite you
For example, someone pinged me today and asked for help on
 
@Mr.777 Because they tell the Java Compiler to write indy bytecodes, which allows better runtime execution decisions to be made instead of defining classes and constructing them over and over again.
 
You can do the same, it will increase your insight and knowledge
 
indy is "invokedynamic" btw
 
@Unihedron Thanks and @Itachi What if I want to learn the whole java api
 
fge
11:42 AM
@Mr.777 why? Just have a link to the JDK API javadoc handy
And read it
 
@fge Read it a lot already. But like @Uni, @Itachi and yourself, when people ask something, you people don't open the docs, you answer them
So, that means you have a lot of knowledge about this
 
@Mr.777 That's because we've read them some point in the past.
You see, I've dealt with IntegerCache before, among other stuff you probably never touch. So I know about IntegerCache.
 
@Unihedron I have read them too, infact a lot
 
OK, explain a BitMap in your own words in under 50 words?
 
I just can't remember them because I never practiced as I didn't get time at all.
 
11:44 AM
No googling. :D
 
BitMap is a map with bits :D
 
fge
BitMap or BitSet?
 
BitMap, BitSet is like a boolean[].
Or... Maybe I messed up something. Is it even called a BitMap?
O_o
 
fge
ByteBuffer then, maybe?
 
Bitmap, i have heard this term often used for images
ByteBuffer is more like an array of bytes?
 
11:46 AM
ByteBuffer is a buffer for bytes, you can dump bytes and get something back if you're lucky, or get a Stack Overflow Exception.
 
Buffer or Array are same?
 
No, not really. At least a StringBuffer doesn't give you individual strings, but the entire string after concatenating.
 
fge
@Unihedron you're harsh with this class; it's actually a pretty good one, especially for networking protocols
 
@fge :D
 
@Unihedron Now, I didnt know that ;)
 
fge
Actually you should use a StringBuilder nowadays
All methods on StringBuffer are synchronized, which is a waste
 
@fge I know StringBuffer is synchronized version of StringBuilder
 
@fge It's not threadsafe though, but I agree programmers should handle thread safety themselves. synchronizing everything is a waste.
Oops, beat me to it. :P
 
fge
(sure, the JIT does lock elision as an optimization, but still)
@Unihedron I have yet to see code actually using a StringBuffer across several threads ;)
 
Jit does lock elision? Means?
 
fge
11:53 AM
@Mr.777 meaning that if the JIT sees that a lock is useless, it will elect to remove it entirely at runtime
 
@fge And how does JIT decides if this lock is useless?
May be some reading on it?
 
It's like how \Q\E triggers a fastpath when the interpreter sees it within Patterns.
 
fge
@Mr.777 ask the JIT gurus
 
@Mr.777 It just does.
JIT does lots of magic.
 
:P
 
11:54 AM
@ItachiUchiha :D
 
One case where that can be done unconditionally is method local variables that do not escape the scope (the jit does escape analysis)
 
Thanks to the JIT your code runs faster and faster across the session (under the assumption that you don't do stupid stuff like constructing boolean arrays)
@kiheru Yeah, it turns stuff like "Type a = b();" into "b();", and even removes it if b() doesn't do anything useful.
To prevent this from happening, use volatile.
 
What's stupid in constructing boolean array?
 
It takes 1-2 bytes per boolean value to store when as an element in array, where as a regular boolean takes only one byte.
In cases like these, use a BitSet!
 
fge
@Unihedron err no, primitives always "eat" as much space as the underlying alignment requires
 
11:57 AM
volatile is just to maintain the state, what it has to do with preventing the JIT removal election?
@fge So, if we create Boolean[] and boolean[], they are different in memory consumption?
 
I think volatile stops the field from being optimized away. JIT leaves volatile stuff alive.
 
fge
@Mr.777 yes, since one is an array of objects and the other an array of primitives
 
@fge Noted. So, if I have to create an array anytime in the future, I will use object arrays rather primitives, thanks
 

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