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Q: How can we bring multiple low-quality posts from a single user up for review without prejudice?

Jarrod RobersonThe standard guidance for voters on Stack Overflow is, "vote on the content, not the user". This dates back to 2008, when Jeff first realized it was probably a good idea to audit votes for signs of abuse: If you irritate another user, they might be having a bad day and decide to take it out o...

 
eh, the cards are just stacked against us when the user gains x amount of rep/positive contributions, enough to bypass the throttling from then on. It has nothing to do with whether or not the content is low quality.
I'd argue that the 90 minute threshold should be the bottom line, no one should be able to post questions faster than that. but... even that wouldn't affect the user i'm looking at, they generally post 3-5 questions a day.
 
@Servy How so? It deals with the problems we are facing when we find a user whose contributions are all really bad. We cannot act upon those contributions the same way as we would with bad contributions coming from separate users.
 
@Seth But the title sounds like the question is about whether the content should actually be considered low quality when the post is actually asking how to deal with users when most/all of their content is low quality.
 
There are additional aspects: Many users with LQ questions just delete them when they get closed/DVed. That way the postings don't show up in the history, making it harder to see if this is a serial-LQ poster. They also don't care about having not more than 1 rep, so DVs from other users just decrease their reps, not that of the LQ posters.
 
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Meta begs for, nay demands Buzzfeed titles!
 
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@BSMP Mh, true.
 
@Olaf Those users are the ones that actually do get question banned.
 
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@Servy - they do not get question banned if they never get enough negative feedback.
 
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My Buzzfeed title will get more eyeballs from the general meta reader than yours, that is why.
 
I concur with Servy that the question title doesn't seem to reflect that the question is asking about moderating users.
 
@JarrodRoberson "Is close-voting on multiple LQ posts which happen to be from a single user targetting or a quality assurance measure?"
 
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How do you come to the premise that low-quality content being posted by a single user would make it higher quality? I don't follow that logic.
 
@JarrodRoberson They would, actually. The ones that don't get question banned are the ones that have like one super old RTFM questions that got lots of traffic/upvotes, thus counteracting any amount of closed questions. Just deleting zero score questions after they get answered time and time again will get you q banned. The problem with the q ban is that just a few even moderately well received questions will allow for an order of magnitude more bad questions before it kicks in. This is a problem, just not in the specific situation Olaf described.
@TylerH He comes to that conclusion by saying that low quality content posted by a single user is resistant to the most important quality control mechanism (downvotes). If that same content was posted by different users, he would have a tool to aid in addressing it, but when it's from a single user, he can't use that tool.
 
@Servy: This is not about users asking many questions a week, but over a longer period (see the text) they ask (allmost) all LQ questions.
 
@Olaf If someone doesn't have any well received content then the will get question banned. The situation where a user is posting dozens (or hundreds) of awful questions can only happen when they have at least a handful of questions with at least a moderately good score. The content can be lots of bad content, even many dozens of consecutively bad questions, but if they're exclusively bad then the question ban would actually work for that user.
 
@Servy: Considering most questions e.g. in the C queue get at least 1 UV, no matter how bad they are, I don't think this is a great obstacle. (I already asked myself if there is some script doing that).
 
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@TylerH - the word effectively is there for a reason.
 
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I have never had any moderator actions taken against me, so I don't actually know how they work, but here's what I think would (theoretically) happen, and how it should (ideally) be handled: you encounter a crap question, you downvote and vote-to-close. You encounter another crap question, you downvote and vote-to-close. And again. And again. As it turns out, several of those questions were posted by the same user, and thus your votes get reversed by the serial-voting script. Assumption #1: you will get a notice to that effect. You can then reply to that notice, explaining that you weren't …
 
yeah you don't get a notice and you can't reply to it, unless the notice was sent directly by a moderator maybe? but that likely doesn't happen often either... serial voting reversal is automatic. Unless your sock puppeting i would expect nothing to happen
 
… serial-downvoting that user, you were serial-downvoting crap, and that user just happens to post a lot of crap. A moderator investigates, finds your explanation to be reasonable, warns the offending user, and keeps an eye on him for the next weeks. Is that not what would happen?
 
That's pretty much what happens, @JörgWMittag. Unless you're going through the list of posts in their profile voting as fast as you possibly can, in which case the system just silently invalidates your votes and there's no appeal.
 
@Shog9: well, in that case, the system seems to be working as intended, and I don't see what the fuss is all about.
 
Yeah, I don't know either @Jörg.
 
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If the same user has been posting garbage for 5 years, and still hasn't been actioned on it, and can still post freely on a daily basis more poorly researched RTFM garbage, it's not working. It's extremely frustrating to routinely see this same user with the same garbage. Downvotes/close votes don't seem to have any effect against such users.
 
@KevinB: Flag for moderator attention with extensive details and documentation of their behavior, and they might get manually banned. It has happened and worked before: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/261062/2988 in this case, a veteran, high-rep user with multiple gold badges received a one-year(!!!) ban for posting low-quality questions and being ignorant of comments trying to help them improve their questions. There are things that can't be detected automatically, and there are things that will be wrongly detected (e.g. serial downvoting). The solution is to communicate respectfully.
 
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@JörgWMittag - The case of a veteran user abusing the system and getting attention is not the same as dozens/hundreds of new low rep users doing the same thing. You will get a declined flag and maybe an explanation to let the system take care of it. The problem is there is a donut hole that the system misses and it is getting bigger.
 
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@Shog9 - looks good to me, thanks!
 

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