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2:43 PM
hey
@JoshuaLamusga DDL & DML were used to explain the creation of the data structure and the change of the recipients of the structure (e.g the data). It dates back to the start of SQL (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_definition_language)
Honestly, don't spent too much time on it
it is like to know if a b-tree is better for an index than the hash. You understand the foundations, you understand how to create such an index if you need to but don't spent too much time. Btw programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/113256/…
 
3:16 PM
anyone using sql server and coding their database migrations by hand?
 
 
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8:56 PM
@StevenLiekens I really hope not, depending on the size of your database that could be a herculean task!
 
user1881400
Thanks, Andy.
 
@JoshuaLamusga DCL? DQL?
 
user1881400
I had one source call it DCL (data control language) and another DQL (data query language)
 
user1881400
I'm guessing one of the sources I read was wrong (or just came up with weird names/categories for things).
 
So...basic querying commands?
never heard it called them but whatever works
 
user1881400
8:59 PM
Yeah. I would probably go with DCL because it's a more inclusive term. I'd rather just say select instead of DQL.
 
user1881400
Because 'DQL' wouldn't cover much more than that anyway.
 
Same re: select but DCL sounds more all encompassing
 
user1881400
Is SQL Server the go-to software, or are there competitive alternatives going on? Google doesn't show much else.
 
depends on go-to?
there's a few to be honest
Postgres, MySQL, SQLite, Sysbase, DB2, Oracle, etc
 
10:00 PM
@JoshuaLamusga it depends what you want to do. If you are using a linux stack (read php, python , else ) and your app is big, Oracle, Postgres and maybe db2 would be the most interesting choice. If you go for a lite web app, go for sqllite. If you need something highly reliable e.g financial services, go for sybase.
And of course SQLServer for the msoft stack, alhtough they said SQLServer will be on Linux end of 2016 or something like that
 
@AndyK SQL Server is coming to Linux now :)
 
I heard
@Shaneis I should be sleeping for now but I missed Morpheus
 
Morpheus?
 
the god of dreams and sleep
 
user1881400
@AndyK for the purposes of USA jobs, do you know the most common DBMS I should study? Also, is there a distinction between these implementations of SQL (postgres, MySQL, etc.) and the GUI or command-line programs used to interact with them? E.G., SQL Server is a gui tool for interacting with things AFAIK.
 
10:06 PM
Damn! I should have known that! I like Greek Mythology and everything! :(
 
@JoshuaLamusga SQL server is much more than that
 
user1881400
That's why I qualified it with AFAIK.
 
@JoshuaLamusga study something simple, build something actually like Marc Andressen
once you've started, you will see that all these are mere tools
build a web app for example
you can use mysql
and php
or RoR
with a postgres
or a sqllite
or even python with flask and sqllite
 
user1881400
They are used to interact with running programs acting as databases, for what I know. I'm on Windows and will probably use SQL Server, which is why I mentioned it earlier. I figured it's independent of SQL implementations. I was planning on making web apps using C# and Java afterwards.

Anyway, since you know a lot, one thing you can never quite find on Google is workflows and a modern lifecycle for web stacks. So I was wondering if you knew what the usual lifecycle is for an SQL web app, say, built with one of the 'typical' stacks.
 
Alright guys, I'm off.
Talk to ya tomorrow
 
10:14 PM
see you @Shaneis
DBMS has been here for some time now. Every now and then, there are some guys who will come up with a new marketing scheme for another db engine
don't focus too much on the dbms. focus more on the sql side
buy yourself a space with digital ocean or aws
and start to build some stuff
 
user1881400
My plan is to study the SQL 2011 standard and read that, then find a way to use SQL with something running locally. If I really get an actual project I want to do that's online, I might buy cloud space for it, but probably not. I've already got a bunch of sources, but I appreciate the links anyway. Thanks.
 
got to sleep
talk to you tomorrow
 
user1881400
Alright, bye.
 

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