6:33 PM
hi?
 
Hi
sorry to make you wait
You still there?
 
yes
I have two screens so what doI care?
 
this one please
i want to ask you some trivial questionplease
Can i?
 
sure
 
actually i have learned c++ , read effective c++ and more effective also
but the thing is that when it comes to develop application like developing a application like funny small game . i feel lost
i am unable to find start point
can you help me how can i do this
i can code dos based application but i don't feel like real coder
gone?
 
7:15 PM
seems like i asked true question 0_o
 
what kind of application are you looking to evelop?
 
like small game
forget about me
 
are we talking 2D, 3D, or what?
 
what did you do after learning C++ features?
 
well
I poked around for a while
then I wrote the world's worst game framework :P
 
7:24 PM
I am just after learning C++ , thanks
wow
 
ah
I don't really think so
there's a big difference between learning C++ and being able to answer questions about it and use the features, and learning the language
 
i know C++ like above beginner i can say
 
I grabbed a book
 
which
 
Introduction to 3D Game Programming with DirectX 9.0c Shader Approach
started with some real simple applications, tried to make them into usable frameworks
when your API is an utter failure, then you'll learn how not to do it
 
7:27 PM
without learning GUI , i don't feel like i am any coder
 
yes
I know exactly what you mean
you can push the bits around, but if someone asks you to develop an actual program, then you're not much use
 
thanks god some one can understand me
 
yes
if you want to make a game, then the best choice here is to render your own controls, using Direct3D
 
or any application not specially game
 
for more generic purposes?
I recommend using .NET for the GUI side ofthings
 
7:29 PM
yes
 
there are few, if any, decent C++ GUI libraries, and using C++/CLI or P/Invoke is easy to communicate to a C++ back end
 
do you use objects in your real life application just for communication?
i meant objects and classes
communication between different objects
 
not usually#
an object should serve a distinct, logical purpose
if you can only define that purpose in terms of other objects, you've probably done it wrong
 
hm so i think i should start learning QT or some other gui library , so that i can create some good GUI application
 
I never really looked at QT myself
it's too much outside C++, you know?
they wrote their own string, data structure, etc, and it's a custom preprocessor
 
7:34 PM
nah but many guyz prefer it in stackoverflow even
 
it's an effective library, I'll grant
just never really was in my field of view, as it were
 
aah
 
if I needed GUI, I'd head to managed code, I don't need cros-platform
 
so you use .NET
 
for GUI work
if you want to throw together a GUI application with the minimal hassle, .NET is the way to go
of course, if you want a really, really fast, responsive GUI, then that's another thing
but GUIs, use some appropriate threading and it probably doesn't matter too much
 
7:38 PM
then how do you guyz connect your gui objects events to your code of c++ , do you use some library?
sorry for asking so much questions but i am just a frustrated idiot programmer who is really for good advices
 
depends on the gui framework you're using, of course
for me, I wrote a few controls rendered in DirectX, I processed the mouse message from Windows and did all the hit testing and stuff myelf
 
like if .NET , then?
 
for .NET? you have some extern "C" exported functions, and in .NET, you call them in the event
it's just that simple
 
cool
 
most likely, you'd expose a pointer to your object to .NET using an IntPtr, make a call into unmanaged code, cast it, and then call on it
 
7:42 PM
prefer some good book for gui programming since you know my situation please
 
@DeadMG Psh use OpenGL :p
 
@Raynos: This room has quite clearly listed on it who is discussing in here ^^
I don't have any books for GUI programming
 
ohh , where did you learn programming GUI
 
if I needed to use a control, I looked in the documentation, dragged it on from the designer, or wrote it to be GPU rendered
nowhere
grow some balls and jump in
 
ok so i'll use .NET then
thanks for your time