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12:00 AM
Code generally is just unreadable if you strip all spaces, no matter what tokens we have… I think there we all agree?
 
It's nice you don't have a problem. Other people are telling you that this is an issue for them. Just ignoring people's opinion is something you seem to do on a regular basis......ok, we can stop the conversation as I've said my piece.
 
Abe
the issue would be between => and ~> but that's visually different enough
 
@Abe that's what I'm saying, yes.
 
@Abe It's clearer - it's still not awesome. I wouldn't need my eyesight to be much worse for that to be a problem.
 
Abe
in us keyboard is the - near the ~? if yes not being able to spot a typo can be a problem
so i want to write ~> but i instead write ->
 
12:03 AM
@Danack good. I've pinged @ircmaxell … I guess he has a bit experience with such situations and isn't totally biased (I hope). Maybe he can tell whether I'm just being an ass or whether it's just a truly subjective issue.
 
@Abe no, they're quite far apart
 
Abe
and i see 0 opportunities for this to happen
class Foo{
function __toString(){ return "baz"; }
public $baz = 20;
}
$x = new Foo;
$x -> $x + 10;
 
I have experience with Java, but PHP is new to me. I've come to find out PHP arrays are very different from Java arrays. How can I go about creating an array in PHP as I would in Java? In Java it would be just a 9x9 2D array
 
@Tanner you're searching for array_fill()?
[Addendum @Danack I'm not trying to ignore you. Yes, I'm currently not accepting your view, but definitely not dismissing it. And when I see that people are quite serious about it, I also can question myself and seek for neutral advice. (Yeah, I'm defending myself, but I felt a bit attacked by "you're just dismissing people's feedback" as if I'd not be able to listen when I don't like something.)]
 
12:20 AM
@Danack @bwoebi I kept misreading -> as ~> and vice-versa when writing my email complaining about it
Also, the point someone made on reddit about ~ being hard to type on keyboard layots with dead keys is worth bearing in mind
 
@Andrea Seriously? You're reading the same font than me … and in the font Mail.app uses, the ~ are quite much larger than the -.
 
I think most people in the thread rejoicing about the ~> vs -> debate are against the RFC as a whole, and have showed they don't care about short closures at all. But there are two exceptions now ^
 
@bwoebi no, I was using a monospace font in SeaMonkey
I'm not using Mail.app for internals this time
Here's how subtle the difference is
 
wow.
 
man, screw that font
 
Abe
12:24 AM
@Tanner there's usually no need to do that since php arrays's size is not fixed. you don't have to specify size or resize them. they are actually ordered hash maps and the key can only be an integer or a string. they have the peculiarity that if you add something to them without specifying a key, the key will be automatically generated to be "highest integer key + 1" or 0 if no integer-keys exist
 
@Andrea the main difference here is really the - being two px deeper than the middle-aligned ~ (relative to the >)
wow.
Shitty fonts are shitty ^^
 
@bwoebi yeah, the main distinguishing thing
@bwoebi the font's fine. This only poses a problem if you need to distinguish ~> and ->
 
Abe
yes but who writes $a -> $b? i've only seen $a->$b and that's rare as well
 
@Abe I already addressed this
 
@Abe is regurgitating my arguments now…^^
 
Abe
12:26 AM
pipipipipiping
:P
 
@bwoebi also, this is a very widely used font. You might have heard of it.
Courier is a monospaced slab serif typeface designed to resemble the output from a strike-on typewriter. The typeface was designed by Howard "Bud" Kettler in 1955, and it was later redrawn by Adrian Frutiger for the IBM Selectric Composer series of electric typewriters. Although the design of the original Courier typeface was commissioned by IBM, the company deliberately chose not to secure legal exclusivity to the typeface and it soon became a standard font used throughout the typewriter industry. Because IBM deliberately chose not to seek any copyright, trademark, or design patent protection...
One of the world's most popular monospace typefaces.
 
Abe
that i believe is courier new. if there is still someone using courier it's his problem :P
 
@Andrea yes I do.
 
Abe
lemme check courier vs courier new
 
@Abe Courier on OS X
I think it's the same as Courier New
@Abe I looked it up. Courier New is a different digitisation
 
12:29 AM
@Andrea does Haskell looks good with that font? :P
 
@marcio No idea, maybe.
 
@Andrea quite a difference. Courier New has a much more recognizable tilde
 
@bwoebi @Abe Thanks, I did some more research on PHP arrays and it makes a little more sense now. They key part was throwing me off.
 
No, not really.
 
Abe
both courier and courier new look totally different on windows @Andrea
 
12:31 AM
@Abe Windows uses different (really awful) text rendering
 
@Andrea honestly, comparing these, I can recognize the tilde much better in the latter screenshot here
 
Different font smoothing likely plays into it.
 
@bwoebi It's a bit better because Courier New is really thin
 
@Andrea true.
@Andrea usually using Menlo for code.
 
Abe
@Andrea it's a totally different glyph imho
 
12:34 AM
@Andrea but I generally truly wouldn't recommend Courier for code… bitwise ops/minus sign will be a nightmare I guess.
 
@Abe Take a screenshot
 
Abe
font size?
 
@bwoebi maybe you wouldn't, but that's not the point
@Abe whatever you're viewing it at. preferably the same as my screenshot, though
This is size "13", dunno if that's px or pt
 
@Abe use 11 px… That's the smallest I use.
 
Abe
ctrl + wheel zoom is making it difficult
 
12:37 AM
@Andrea It is. You really should compare with something, where you can differentiate both glyphs. Because you need it for coding already today.
 
Anyway
 
Abe
i wish i know what size actually is :P
 
@bwoebi the point I am making is that ~> and -> look similar, and are hard to distinguish in some common typefaces
 
$a :> $b -> $a
 
@Andrea 13 pt is 17 px… quite big.
 
12:38 AM
@marcio aw, my little operator... RIP :>
 
@Andrea Honestly, I'd prefer :> over ==>...
 
thank zend god the chicken operator is still free to use
 
@bwoebi must be 13px then
@bwoebi this is ultimately nitpicking anyway. Multiple people have told you that -> and ~> are easily confused. Don't ignore their experiences. You can present all the proof you like, but it doesn't change anything.
 
@Andrea I just fear seeing smilies in code all the time then :-P:-P:-P
 
IDK, ==> is fine to me, if there is a chance we should go for it.
 
Abe
12:40 AM
 
totally readable, unless you're very senile already
 
anyway… time to sleep.
 
@Abe is that bold/not bold?
 
Abe
gn!
@Andrea yes
 
@bwoebi I think you should listen to them, it can be troublesome for a lot of people to distinguish.
 
12:44 AM
any thoughts on the rfc aside from the symbol used?
 
Abe
let's just have "fn" as shorthand for "function"! :P
 
@PaulCrovella the other things were discussed a lot already, there's nothing new.
 
Abe
$this->doBaz(fn($foo)($useBar){ return $foo * 2 + $useBar->amount(); });
private fn setLink(Link $link){}
 
@Abe just realized it's a gif, please make it stop.
 
Abe
eheheh
 
1:11 AM
@Andrea I don't think that argument is any more valid than ==> being confused.
~ not being easily available on some keyboard layouts – that's worth talking about.
 
I think the length matters
 
@Abe PHP doesn't subscribe to the code is beautiful mentality. I wish we could do something like that.
 
Abe
:( why would one disagree with that? with return types signatures are quite lengthy now
 
Abe
actually, function can be avoided entirely in signatures
public baz(Foo $foo, Lol $lol) : Bar{}
or even without public
 
1:31 AM
@PaulCrovella It doesn't support type hints, which makes me sad.
 
@bwoebi what is the question? I feel like I am missing context here
 
2 hours ago, by Danack
@bwoebi What would convince you when people say they find it hard to distinguish between -> and ~> ?
2 hours ago, by bwoebi
@Danack The issue is that I don't really believe them that it'll be an issue.
> Maybe he can tell whether I'm just being an ass or whether it's just a truly subjective issue.
 
@Danack have you looked up the definition of bikeshedding? Yes, it is something that should be discussed. But design by committee will not work and will waste peoples time. At some point you just need to draw a line and propose something. Not saying that this is at that point, but something to consider.
 
speaking of bikeshedding
 
@ircmaxell yes, I use that phrase. I honestly can't always read the difference between -> and ~>. Yes, that means my eyesight is shit.
 
1:39 AM
I'm about to tag random_compat v1.0.0
 
If you want to use hacks syntax, them behavior MUST match 100%. The slighest deviation and you are causing far more harm than good.
Considering I havent seen any syntax proposal but those two, where is the issue?
 
> I honestly can't always read the difference between -> and ~>.
That's the issue.
I didn't say I had a great solution.
 
What is your better alternative?
Then how does focusing on that point move a conversation forward?
Not saying it doesn't matter, but if it is that significant, come up with an alternative.
Also, Bob isn't saying I don't believe you. He is saying I don't believe it will be as big of an issue as it is being claimed to be.
Which is a valid and non diminutive position
 
Have we documented the difference between the proposal and Hack?
I remember the RFC mentioning there are differences, but not what they are.
 
@bwoebi may be worth it to spell that out in the rfc ^^^
 
1:51 AM
I've been thinking more about PHP's future.
 
One alternative would be to delay this RFC until the parser is improved. My understanding is that it's just a limitation of the parser in it's current state that requires a new symbol that is not confusable with a constant, due to the single symbol look ahead. If that constraint was removed, then we would be having to make the choice between two poor alternatives.
 
Honestly unless we can forge a stronger, smaller group to improve it I'm not sure I want to deal with the pain.
I also don't think we'd easily convince people to turn development responsibility to some smaller group.
The alternative is to get people to agree on some specific vision and work within those constraints.
 
2:20 AM
@LeviMorrison I'd like to see if it can pass the Hack test suite
@LeviMorrison I've been thinking about that
PHP doesn't have a Zen of Python
It doesn't have a guiding philosophy beyond maybe some line or two Zeev or Rasmus said years ago
And this is why it's so easy to bikeshed. We decide every single thing case-by-case
This is also why PHP is such an inconsistent mess
 
2:39 AM
github.com/zaininnari/html-minifier ☜ On a different subject, ooh, an HTML minifier
Would be fun to use ob_start();, render page, then minify and output it...
Keep your pretty templates but produce optimised HTML!
 
morning
 
@JoeWatkins Any idea why I would get this at script termination: php: ../nptl/pthread_mutex_lock.c:80: __pthread_mutex_lock: Assertion `mutex->__data.__owner == 0' failed.
 
@Ocramius So if I understand correctly instead of passing around a session id you are passing the encrypted session data?
 
ya
not even encrypted tbh
 
2:50 AM
morning
 
just signed
I'd encrypt it if it contained more stuff than just the userid, ofc
 
I have $file = fopen($inputFile, "r"), but if I try to echo $file I get a resource ID. What am I doing wrong?
 
@Tanner you need to access the stream. $file now is a resource that you need to read.
 
okay ... didn't read too deep into the jwt implementation.. I imagine the target for this is to dodge performance bottlenecks accessing a single session store?
 
@Orangepill mostly getting rid of storage for sessions
client simply sends a bunch of data + a signature and the server is able to decide whether he generated that string or not
that's all there is in JWT, and it removes the need for storing information server-side, which is a big security concern
 
2:55 AM
@vincent Thank-you!
 
that makes sense.
@trowski just realized that you where a fellow Minnesotan
 
Everything you write just changed accent for me.
 
@Orangepill Oh yeah? Cool!
Did you go to MidwestPHP this year? Maybe we met.
 
@trowski unfortunately not... I've never attended a UG or conference...
something I want to correct in the near future
 
I'm going to try and make it to some of the MN-PHP UG meetings in the future. I'm fairly busy right now though, so I'm not exactly sure when.
 
3:05 AM
As of a couple of days ago they didn't have any meetings scheduled.
@trowski You in the Twin Cities area?
 
@Orangepill St. Cloud area.
 
I'm in Rogers
 
Pretty close, only 45-60 minutes away for me.
 
Hopefully we can meet at the next UG Meeting or Conference.
 
@Orangepill Yeah, that would be cool. I'm also going to MadisonPHP in November.
 
3:14 AM
ohh you are speaking there as well.
 
Yep. I'm going to need to start putting that talk together soon. Wasn't exactly what I wanted to talk about, but it will get my foot in the door.
 
I'll have to consider it ... 9 hours on the road and $100 bucks might be a limiting factor.
 
Definitely going to need a hotel for at least 1 night. I assume there's going to be a social hour at a bar or something after, so maybe even 2 nights. I'll have to email and ask about that, I don't see anything on the schedule.
 
3:33 AM
@bwoebi Wut
I don't think that's supposed to work
 
3:48 AM
f**k microsoft
firefox crashed suddenly a VB Script appears in C drive i deleted it and restart windows black screen appears firefox settings changed automatically :(
 
4:02 AM
Do you guys think its appropriate to name drop my companies clients on a resume?
 
 
2 hours later…
5:36 AM
OK, so I am staying tonight at a private castle (I don't even remember booking it). If you don't hear from me tomorrow, send help...
2
 
with silver sword, garlic and a cross?
 
@ircmaxell to the place you haven't told us where it is? :p
 
6:02 AM
@ircmaxell hehe
 
It is the only castle in Dunedin, New Zealand
 
I'm so jealous.
 
07:53 <giantwaffeldonke> now you know
08:16 <ajf> now I understand
08:16 <ajf> PHP is ruled by a secretive cabal of giant waffle aninmals
 
@ircmaxell I think I may have found a compromise I like for my description of contributions for my resume... gist.github.com/cgray/f3ddc14d843da2c26810
 
@Orangepill that's not good
because that looks like a cop-out, that you were just along for the ride
 
6:11 AM
that followed by about a dozen paragraph length bullets describing specific contributions with numbers.
 
instead, try listing one or two high-level responsibilities, then at least one or two projects you worked on that had massive business impact
@Orangepill honestly, I wouldn't read past the first few words
you want to show what you did quickly
 
@ircmaxell that's what I wanted to hear.
 
I too am working on a resume ... it took a long time, but I think I'm done ... gist.github.com/krakjoe/4533f2abd382343790d7
5
 
Awsme :)
 
@JoeWatkins You're hired
let me throw bales of money at you
 
6:20 AM
:) haha
 
@JoeWatkins you need to link krakjoe to your github profile
ok, time for dinner in the Castle
 
@ircmaxell fixed ... hehe
enjoy dinner in the scary castle ...
 
How much detail should I go into for the 1 or 2 projects... would 2 paragraphs be too long for each?
 
@Orangepill careers.stackoverflow.com/ircmaxell check out how I broke out each one there
 
that reminds me, I really need to update my resume again
 
6:27 AM
Consise
 
I already updated it after I got laid off
then I did a bunch of stuff that's probably more impressive than any of the crap my resume contained
it's like a hedonistic treadmill of sorts
"nobody wants to hire me, I better build something better or more useful so people can see how valuable I am"
rinse and repeat until insanity
at this point, I'm basically playing chicken with the rest of the internet to see who will get burned out first
 
@ScottArciszewski good luck with that
 
lol
it's not like I have any better solutions :P
 
morning
can anyone help me with a simple problem?
 
I could probably make a living doing blackhat things, but that always catches up with you
Resumes are bullshit anyway
 
6:37 AM
 
hmm
anyone have any experience getting an ISBN?
 
Hey, I'm getting this error: PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function xpath() on a non-object.
I'm working on an import to do a database update from XML files and it has worked on already in other modukes, but in this case, it gives me this error.
Here's the line where the error should be:
$vus = $sxml->xpath("/*/vu");
 
what do you see if you put var_dump($sxml); on the line above?
 
morning
 
Morning
 
6:44 AM
@ScottArciszewski Sadly, the white page of death and no error in the console
 
Acted as sole developer for a system that offered activation, issuance and
digital delivery of $10.2 million worth of gift cards over the course of six
months in response to a social membership drive for an international retailer.
 
@ScottArciszewski After clearing the cache: bool(false) . Strange
 
@ircmaxell ^ is that about the right length
and the right impact
 
@ScottArciszewski But I'm wondering why, cause I used the actual upload and parsing funtion about 5 times on other places, but 1:1 and they are working perfectly
 
6:47 AM
if $sxml is not an object, you have an error
you might need to if ($sxml === false) { /* XML parse error */ } instead of proceeding down the current branch
 
@ScottArciszewski yep, might be usefull. doing php for 5 weeks now. any idea how I solve the problem?
 
it sounds like a SimpleXML problem
or maybe there's actually invalid XML at work
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Q: Careers: Cannot Add Book

Scott ArciszewskiI recently put together an e-book, Using Libsodium in PHP Projects. In addition to covering installing the sodium cryptography library and libsodium PHP extension from PECL, it covers the entire public-facing API and contains a section dedicated to recipes that developers can reference when desig...

>:[
 
moin
 
@ScottArciszewski Okay, I will check it. thank you for your help :)
 
you're welcome
 
6:54 AM
@ScottArciszewski ? there is a "writing" section... "add a book you've written"
 
that's where I tried to add it
but it has a search engine
which I guess only searches through a limited selection that stack exchange recognizes as a book
 
@ScottArciszewski I guess you should edit your question to reflect that
 
@ircmaxell okay, will do.
 
Good monday morning.
 
7:04 AM
posted on September 07, 2015 by nlecointre

/* by abd */

 
I'm calling it a night. Good night people.
 
good night
 
7:25 AM
anyone wired?
 
I'm not weird, tyvm
 
hahah, so I am here with image cropping
 
@FlorianMargaine not so sure :-P
 
@bwoebi fu
 
7:35 AM
@FlorianMargaine … after all you're a programmer, no?
 
and with different aspect ratio's the image is coming with black side horizontal and vertical line at sides
 
@bwoebi well, that's true. I also spent my free time coding this weekend, so I guess I am somehow weird.
 
morning!
 
I run a website (websiteA) which I run and they want some bespoke tracking. I have another website (websiteB) which has a Web Api which I want to be called to do this tracking. The problem is, I've now realised this is cross domain and isnt' allowed. Other than using jsonp or using the image tag such as <img src="mysite.com/mypage?q=track" />, do I have any other options to perform this
I'm only using this service to post information
 
@MyDaftQuestions or websiteB could provide CORS headers
 
7:43 AM
Let me research CORS headers, thank you @FlorianMargaine :)
So, on my server, I need to add Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * according to enable-cors.org/server.html
Is it really that simple?
I will be able test tonight when I get home to the project
 
@MyDaftQuestions well, Access-Control-Allow-Origin: websiteA would be even better, but yes
 
how web service could push updates to the client if mysql is modifiable ?
 
Ah yes, I guess the * is a wildcard and could be a security risk if I did that
 
@FlorianMargaine oh messing with PAM… nice :o)
 
This is super wonderful but, does this mean @FlorianMargaine, I can set this Access-Control-Allow-Origin and then use Ajax to post cross domain?
 
7:47 AM
@bwoebi yeah.... I wanted a poor man smartcard
@MyDaftQuestions yes
 
Thank you @FlorianMargaine, I'm at work at the moment (Which is meetings and disucssions) but when I get home I can do this on my own projects :D
 
@FlorianMargaine what's the point? avoiding a passphrase?
 
@bwoebi cool factor. Want to login? Just plug in your usb key.
 
@FlorianMargaine If you'd show that me I'd rather think… Isn't that a bit unsafe? Just grab your smartcard and I have access.
 
@bwoebi you'll only get my usb stick over my dead body
 
7:51 AM
@FlorianMargaine meh, you probably won't even notice you lost it :-P
 
@bwoebi anyway, that's the point of smartcards/yubikeys already :)
it's already much more secure than passwords
if you have physical access to me, you can do a lot of harm already
 
@FlorianMargaine well… often smartcards need an additional password.
 
you could film me typing my password
@bwoebi it doesn't support it yet, but since it's an ssh key, it can also need an additional password :)
I started the project friday night :P
@bwoebi the insecure part is somewhere else
 
I have lost or broken all but two of the billion usb sticks I have ever owned ..
 
if I connect the key to any computer, said computer can steal my private ssh key
well, it's a custom "filesystem", so it's not so easy, but a program designed to steal the keys from hermes sticks can definitely do it.
 
7:57 AM
key cards/keyrings are a good idea though, I don't loose keys ...
@FlorianMargaine that seems ... like a rather large flaw ?
 
@FlorianMargaine well, when that thing isn't write-only to the external world… bad.
 
@JoeWatkins don't put your stick in any hole...
 
that's why it's a "poor man smartcard", anyway :)
 
o/
 
7:59 AM
@JoeWatkins you got it
 
@FlorianMargaine ah :-P
 
I don't want to spend $50 on a smartcard... and this security is good enough, imho
everyone's got a $5 usb stick
 
Abe
morning
 
Hey, anyone knows why im getting this error?
Query failed: ERROR: syntax error at or near "where" LINE 12: where datalength(bafin)=0 ^(2)

Code: http://pastebin.com/3D9jNCn4
 
Another nice advantage of this project: I barely knew PAM because I had read the acronym in some error messages before
I made another pam module for my wife: github.com/ralt/libpam-nopass
 
8:04 AM
@FlorianMargaine for your wife? raises eyebrows
 
@bwoebi yeah. She's on Linux but casually uses her laptop, she doesn't want to be bothered with passwords
 
@sguetsch what are you trying to do? Do you want to insert where bafin lenght is equal than 0 or?
 
@Naruto Yep. Alternative is Null isn't working, too
 
@abe I like the mockup, it's pretty funky
 
Abe
yo! hehe :D if you want i can continue working on it
 
8:16 AM
I like the logo a lot btw, is it okay if I add that already?
I'm still not sure about the vertical layout but if you have it sort-of-working I might add it as an alternative layout; see if people like it
 
Abe
@Sjon ofc :D
 
@sguetsch length(bafin) = 0 ?
@Abe meurning
 
@Naruto Nope, still : Query failed: where length(bafin) = 0 \n
 
Mission Accomplished ! On my own mwahahaha
 
Abe
@Sjon a lot of online console use that layout. monitors are larger horizontally
idk, i find it ok
 
8:21 AM
well I see now why there is so insecurities about sharing of knowledge
 
@JoeWatkins, Is there any tools that allows you to generate extensions by php file?
 
not any that are usable afaik, ircmaxell/php-compiler is in progress ...
 
@JoeWatkins zephyr?
 
Abe
@Sjon it's responsive though. below 500px it gets vertical i.imgur.com/lTOHFVd.gif
 
@FlorianMargaine that's it's own language
 
Anonymous
8:25 AM
morning
 
@Abe true; it might work better
 
oooh, shiny, got that online @Abe @Sjon ?
 
Hippy, happy Monday mornings :)
 
Abe
@JoeWatkins nope, started that just for fun :P @Sjon seems interested though :D
 
moin @salathe
 
Abe
8:28 AM
morning @all
 
@salathe can you grant karma to a wiki account ?
 
Abe
@Sjon though that was easy to make because it's 100% flexbox. that means is going to target only new browsers (msie10+) is that a problem? people that use 3v4l must have a decent browser, is it?
 
@Abe yes; let me get some numbers from ga
 
@JoeWatkins Nope, you want one of lsmith, pajoye, philip, scottmac, bjori, derick, tyrael. The latter is probably your best bet.
 
63%Chrome, 21%Ff, 4%Safari, 3%IE(73% 11, 18% 10, 6% 9)
 
8:33 AM
I pinged Tyrael but guess he's busy ...
thnx
 
Has whoever wants karma mailed the webmaster list asking for it?
 
yeah, couple of days ago
the visibility modifiers on constants rfc guy, Sean-Der
dunno how that happened ...
 
The instructions on the 'how to rfc' page only mention internals, and it looks like there's a queue of people now waiting for karma
 
Ahh okay, he mailed internals... it might have been overlooked.
 
oh the wm list, I missed that ...
 
8:37 AM
Well the instructions say to mail internals, but it's easy to miss messages there. You'd hav e more chance of being seen by someone who can give you karma, by mailing the webmaster list.
 
Pushing my question:

I get an error, everytime i use a where clause:Query failed: ERROR: syntax error at or near "where" LINE 12: where datalength(bafin)=0 ^(2)

Code: pastebin.com/3D9jNCn4

Any Ideas. length() = 0 or is Null doesn't wortk, either
 
Perhaps the instructions should be updated then -.-
 
@AllenJB or the wiki admins should keep an eye out for the wiki karma emails :P
 
It takes almost everything in me to not merge the words "Job" and "Object" when creating a variable related to those things.
 
Abe
@Sjon that's great. it is a bit laggy on firefox but that's because of the multiple ace instances running. output panels could just use a textarea though
 
8:51 AM
ah you use ace for the output as well?
 
Abe
yep, you got line number and html highlighting if needed. and also #anchors to specific lines
when i get some time i'll work on it more. do you have any idea about the color scheme? i used green and red because of the favicon but not sure. perhaps php-purple would fit more?
 
Hey there :) !
 
I like the current colors; but it's only used in the (ugly) favicon so I don't have very strong feelings about that
do you have your current mockup available online somewhere so I can checkout the css/js/html ?
 
Abe
so far it's just a mess, just sketched it by using inline style="" :P
 

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