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1:04 AM
Also, PHP will be blasting off to space today
(well, I'll be opening voting on the spaceship RFC in a few hours, anyway ;)
 
@AndreaFaulds Looks awesome, Andrea!
 
@TheodoreBrown :)
 
@AndreaFaulds I'm pretty sure you mean that you'll be announcing the date when voting will open?
e.g. for a few days hence?
 
@Danack It's been two weeks.
 
@PeeHaa any snow there?
 
1:15 AM
@AndreaFaulds Is there a rush? Announcing that the voting will open before it actually opens should allow the avoidance of drama that other RFCs have had.
 
when ones update a RFC, is the recommended 2 weeks discussion period automatically reset and we have to wait again?
wiki.php.net/rfc/howto is not explicit about that, so I'm asking here
 
@Danack Announcing the vote in advance doesn't help anything
 
And voting after 2 weeks for simple, uncontroversial RFCs is normal
There's very little about this specific RFC to discuss ^^
 
@Danack this video is not available in your country ¬¬
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
1:20 AM
@marcio "It's more of a guideline anyway" - is the key part of it. I don't think anyone actually follows the alleged rules that closely.
 
Maybe.
 
But imo announcing voting is going to be opening is not only good as it makes it more likely for RFCs to pass, it's also a sensible thing to do when stuff isn't urgent.
/and I replied to the wrong one.....but it's still kind of appropriate.
 
@AndreaFaulds there was, but there isn't anymore. I doubt anyone would come up with a new POV that would spoil the voting
 
anyhow, goodnight
 
btw I'm pretty sure some people are going to vote no, just because of the token name.
 
1:24 AM
come on, we have T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM
I doubt that anybody that defended T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM will go against token names
would be insane
 
1:41 AM
@crypticツ if I was worrying about every project that didn't become a success, I'd be a whiny alcoholic :P Keep on hammering it and all will be fine!
 
Guys, anyone ever used proc_open and sent the requested password to the STDIN?
this still does require a password
 
@zerkms linux.die.net/man/1/expect - I've not used this through proc_open...but other things have needed it.
 
@Danack yep know about that, it must be a part of a php script this time though
 
mkay - can't you do it as two commands in one proc_open('expect "password" && secondcommand')
 
got it
the code is correct, it's sudo that was invoked wrong
it should have been -S there additionally
so sudo -S whoami
 
1:50 AM
Anyone wanna help me out with a tricky problem?
Need moar brains for this: github.com/Ocramius/ChangeSet/pull/25
 
@Ocramius don't ask to ask!
 
@zerkms lol, I was just asking for who is ready for self-inflicted pain :P
 
@PeeHaa no TLS support at requestable.pieterhordijk.com, only SSLv2&3? :-(
 
@Ocramius Aren't you getting on a plane in like 4 hours?
 
@Danack landed at 21:30. Already in my cozy hotel room :P
Found better flights on friday and sunday: no more waking up at 3 AM :P
And they're DIRECT FLIGHTS
 
1:53 AM
yeah.....flying (or commuting anywhere) on Monday mornings is usually bad.
 
On the negative side, the plane is so small that you can feel every drop of water falling on it: kinda creepy/scary :D
@Danack is the wellington your usual?
 
@Ocramius Yeah....it's got decent beer.
 
I need someone to teach me how to not get food poisoning around here :D
 
@Ocramius is it real that someone would like to fetch from IM using the parent class but the same id?
Are they guaranteed to not collide?
 
@zerkms good point, hmmm
 
2:00 AM
it's for doctrine?
 
yeah, indeed, this is probably only an ORM rule
 
if not - I need more time
 
No, this is actually very useful feedback. Yes, this is to get rid of the ORM's horrible internals
 
I've never used inheritance in db
:-S
 
@zerkms can you comment with that on the issue? This is indeed a misconception I had
Foo and Bar can co-exist with different instances and same identifier... the ORM case is just a very particular one
@zerkms inheritance is no fun, heh :P
 
2:06 AM
@Ocramius The Wellington actually has reasonably decent food (not always the best value for money though) but it would be good to meet up in town, so that you can see the more interesting bits of Bristol.
 
@Danack let me see how messed up this week is and I'll poke you tomorrow
Also, I finally got working roaming (my APN settings were messed up), so I can finally find things via gmaps \o/
 
cool. This place is cool, though perhaps easier to pronounce at the end of an evening rather than the start.
 
Neat
off, nite!
 
 
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4:30 AM
Good Morning folks
 
5:03 AM
hello good morning all.
 
5:24 AM
hello guys,
need some idea
i having a php which post the xml to a url and that url sends a response via xml.
all i need to do is i should represent that response xml in a stylesheet form.
how can i do these any idea guys....
 
wth is a "stylesheet form"
 
6:04 AM
@FrontpageExpert just like html form the xml values should be shown in html form value
 
is form as a "way to display" or form as synonym of "module"
 
@FrontpageExpert as a way to display
 
you aware that what you are asking is not even remotely clear
 
@FrontpageExpert generating of HTML form from XML data
 
6:48 AM
morning
 
morning
 
night
 
morning
 
7:12 AM
mrning
 
7:30 AM
morning!
 
hi guys
any one there who's using sublime text editor
I'm gonna run into this issue laravel.io/bin/aNyaB
 
posted on February 02, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by fabibs */

 
morning
boring monday
 
morning
 
7:46 AM
mornin
 
In case somebody is interested: here's the presentation material I used at FOSDEM yesterday: thephp.cc/dates/2015/01/fosdem/the-state-of-phpunit
3
 
gooood mornin
 
@SebastianBergmann Thanks! There doesn't happen to be a video as well?
 
@SergeyTelshevsky The best feeling for a monday
 
@SebastianBergmann may be it's for me only, but I can't see slides after 21-th (showing same slide each time)
 
@BenjaminDiele Don't know whether it was recorded or not.
@AlmaDo Will look into it. Are you looking at the PDF or the website?
 
Working fine here, @AlmaDo.
 
8:12 AM
yes, it seems refresh did the stuff
 
Okay, less work for me :)
 
@SebastianBergmann fixed, was network lag, sorry (:
@SebastianBergmann idea for framework - adding check for collection - if it follows some sort order
 
good mornings
 
morning @iroegbu
 
user3949359
Why does ALTER TABLE efti-blog ADD COLUMN one_time_pin; result in a 1064 syntax error?
 
8:16 AM
what is efti-blog?
 
@nosille because there is syntax error
more - no column type defined
 
user3949359
@AlmaDo ok
 
user3949359
thanks
 
@SergeyTelshevsky no worries, it will be filled with crap in 2 weeks ... unless your company actually can do scheduling
 
user3949359
:21295501ALTER TABLE efti-blog ADD COLUMN one_time_pin TYPE VARCHAR(20); results in the same error
 
8:21 AM
@tereško too bad it's just an image that does not represent the state of the project I'm on :( I sure do want to start one in the nearest future
 
how about read manual for that?
 
is efti-blog a valid table name?
 
oh, lol
 
moin
 
8:48 AM
 
@SergeyTelshevsky Thanks
 
morning
 
9:05 AM
good morning!
 
9:24 AM
mon-ring
 
seemsto be awefully quiet this morning :P
 
E_TOO_MONDAY
 
Don't say his name, E_YOU_KNOW_THE_DAY
 
Week::WORST_DAY_OF_WEEK
 
9:32 AM
posted on February 02, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by Vicces1212 */

 
HI @MarcelBurkhard
 
Monday is a wonderful day… if you don't have to work :-)
 
@JavaFan hi, how's it going with symfony?
 
I didn't start with it yet. now I am in a previous level
but I will work with it
 
@JavaFan ok
 
9:37 AM
Are there are symfony2 template for Iphone?
 
umm, what?
 
/facepalm
 
@JavaFan you can choose whatever you want... I personally use bootstrap 3
has nothing to do with symfony2 though, you'll just have to write html (in twig templates... )
 
9:42 AM
@MarcelBurkhard Really could I make app for iphones with symfony2 ?
 
@JavaFan symfony is a server side framework. iPhone is a client. They are detached
 
okay @nikita2206
So I would need to create webservices
 
@JavaFan you could make it feel app-ish but they'll open it in the browser
for a real ios App you'll need webservices yes...
 
great
 
hi guys
is it good to load country list from server and put it in ng-repeat of AngularJS to be displayed on webpage
 
9:49 AM
yeeees, yeees, now I remember why I added him to the ignore-list
 
@tereško the OOP talent one?
 
yes
@John did you mean "via XHR"? Because most of the website's content comes from the webserver anyway
(aside from some HTML5 API things and cookies)
 
@tereško no actually I am thinking like this-> When page loads I will take all countries in array and put it in Angular JS controller scope variable and when page loads completely AJ will automatically update list of country list in select tag..
We can do it
but as the list is big
my question is it feasible to use ng-repeat Of AJ
OR I directly add them in select tag
my question is it feasible to use ng-repeat Of AJ
 
seems like you are asking in the wrong room
 
I know this is PHP room
and question must be asked in javascript room
But many PHP developers work with client side MVC(Angular JS)
thats why I thought "may be anyone shall give answer to this question"
 
9:58 AM
@John then they're probably in the respective room aswell ;)
 
if it was me, I would feel that having list already served would "pollute HTML" but it might be more pragmatic option
 
@John and those that do, and want to deal with javascript questions, often hang out in the javascript room too
 
@MarcelBurkhard yes they may too ;)
 
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/17/javascript
find out yourself
 
also, @John , having an angular.js-specific question is kinda confusing for people who could otherwise help you
 
10:02 AM
which option you are talking about?
yes
 
oh , Sebastian managed to get in the room =)
 
holy sock-puppet/vote-ring, batman: this got 6 votes up?
 
@tereško he actually was here yesterday, but the room was quite empty at that time
 
yeah , well , sunday
 
@tereško the day before :21296238
oh that didn't work
 
10:06 AM
@kelunik Could you lpease open an issue?
@HamZa Nope nothing
 
@PaulCrovella since they have removes the voting breakdown in profiles, it's hard to tell if it a genuine vote-ring or organic activity
the topic IS kinda interesting
 
moin
 
@PaulCrovella flagged for mods anyway
 
downvoted anyway
 
possibly interesting topic, horrible useless question... and is rarely that generous with even good content
 
10:14 AM
I said "topic" was interesting, not the "content" of the question
 
morndom
 
TIL you can highlight anything in chrome, click "new tab" with a middle mouse button and it will search for it on google
works even if you switch tabs after selecting
 
Not working for me
You mean the new tab button to the right of all the tabs at the top?
 
yeah
it works
 
yeah
works on linux
 
10:28 AM
Hi,
 
ah, got it
it uses the secondary clipboard
 
I have received 'a website' with some db call in it to load some content, and there are a lot of other different html templates coupled to to render the content. There is no content management system.Now I got asked how they can change easily a little icon or some text...
 
the one that when you select, you just have to use middle button to paste
 
Oh great
now Dmitry emailed me asking what the point of strict types is
 
What is the easiest way to make this possible?
 
10:31 AM
@Duikboot sed
 
@bwoebi If it has a default value, why the fuck is there a warning telling me there is no fecking value????
 
sed (stream editor) is a Unix utility that parses and transforms text, using a simple, compact programming language. sed was developed from 1973 to 1974 by Lee E. McMahon of Bell Labs, and is available today for most operating systems.
they will be lost instantly ;)
 
@Duikboot sell'em a cms
 
I guess someone here already had this job to keep the layout and make it editable by some content-managers.
But I think a WP or a Drupal.. is too big / heavy and all other negative things you can come up with.
 
@FlorianMargaine wow, didn't know about that :)
 
10:35 AM
@SergeyTelshevsky it's an X thing. jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html
Clipboard:		for when the user has explicitly copied something (e.g., the ``Edit/Copy'' menu item.)
Primary:	more ephemeral and implicit: it is for when the user has highlighted or selected something (e.g., dragging the mouse over some text.)
Cut Buffers:	Obsolete. Never, ever, ever use them. Ever.
so it's the primary selection, my bad.
 
@FlorianMargaine yeah, already got that, I thought it's a chrome feature :(
 
10:54 AM
well, it's a feature of chrome that you can middle click on it...
 
so it does only work on x?
 
Nginx or Apache for php ?, maybe it isn't the correct room to ask this but maybe someone could help me ?
 
@Goku depends on what you're more familiar with, expected traffic, whether or not you'll be serving static assets from the same server, and such
 
11:12 AM
@PaulCrovella My site is for chatting, but via WS protocol. So will be big traffic on php files and there is some assests.
 
morning!
 
morning
 
just a simple question: i have just started learning "Laravel" so just answer me yes or not . i created a controller from my command line can we create our model from command line too.
anyone!
 
I've not used Laravel in depth but have you tried seeing what commands are available when running php artisan (assuming this was how you created the controller).
 
@Xitas Open your terminal... and type : php artisan" you can see what other commands you can use to generate files.
 
11:20 AM
@Duikboot thanks
 
php artisan generate:model car
Created /.../LaravelChart/laravel/app/models/Car.php
 
i have worked in codeigniter before but i am done with it so i am starting to use laravel
@Duikboot okay on it :D
 
@Xitas why not get better at programming instead of learning the next crappy framework that's currently "in"?
@Duikboot ewwwww
 
If you want to generate more things like that, github.com/JeffreyWay/Laravel-4-Generators there is a github.com/JeffreyWay/Laravel-4-Generators to use more of them
:( Sorry @Patrick
I just answered his question. :D
 
:p
 
11:23 AM
at least tag it NSFW :D
 
:D
 
@Patrick I have worked in core but now i want to move on framework for better understanding!
 
understanding of?
 
+1
 
@Fabor MVC !
 
11:24 AM
:(
 
and here we go
 
again?
 
we need a chatbot that handles that conversation
 
@Xitas blog.ircmaxell.com/2014/11/… <- read all posts of the series
 
I had this discussion on codeigniter but they say use laravel instead!
 
@Xitas that's not something you will get by using shitty frameworks
 
did I link the wrong one?
 
Nah, I thought you beat me to it :D
 
@tereško you said that laravel was good framework
long time ago!
 
ThW
11:27 AM
Morning
 
lol
where?
 
@Xitas Frameworks = give a man a fish. PHP = Teach a man to fish.
 
in this same chat group!
@Fabor Lol !
 
I highly doubt that .. unless you were extremely annoying
 
11:28 AM
@Xitas also this is closer to what you should focus on.
 
So you are saying I should create my own MVC
 
No. You should stop with MVC all together.
Learn SOLID
 
@tereško it was a year age
 
@Xitas assuming that is true, what were you doing last year? :D
 
@Patrick learning php
 
11:31 AM
@Xitas people here tend to be a little harsh on frameworks, just do your thing with MVC and frameworks, just remember it's not the holy grail and when you have played around a little and have some spare time, move on to SOLID
 
@MarcelBurkhard another new thing!
 
@Xitas yeah well there will always be new things
 
Well extending on @MarcelBurkhard's advice. Just because it says "MVC" on the tin, doesn't make it MVC. You can continue on with frameworks but be careful of what they label.
There's far more misinformation out there on (classical) MVC in the PHP community than accurate.
 
you know, if you look back at how people coded 10 years ago, using a "good" framework like symfony2 and adhering to its best practices will give you very good code (by old standards) that might just be good enough for you to start your journey
 
@Xitas nope. searched the chat history. It looks like I never told you anything about frameworks, neither for this or your previous nicknames.
 
11:34 AM
@MarcelBurkhard my legacy code wants to have a word with you
 
@Patrick you know I just have to fix something in some nasty legacy code...
@Patrick luckily it's lunch break ^^
 
It's not that we hate on frameworks
 
you kinda do..
 
It's when frameworks spout poor practice as good practice
Deliberately
 
@MarcelBurkhard you know what is legacy code? Any code that does not covered by unit tests.
 
11:35 AM
@MarcelBurkhard Those frameworks advocate a lot of bad practices that take time to unlearn. It is better to point people to better resources that teach them proper practices
 
And people who hold the frameworks up on their shoulders as the pinnacle of coding, without actually understanding what's going on in them
And finally, anyone who likes Laravel is an asshole
;-)
 
:P ^It's an opinion.
 
I personally don't like laravel
in fact I only like symfony2 ... and don't see me dropping it anytime soon
 
@Jimbo it's because they believe that frameworks are made by group of geniuses. In reality most of the frameworks are made by as single person. And this person soon starts seeking any criticism of frameworks as personal attack/
 
@tereško Exactly. Like Taylor Knobwell or whatever his name is
 
11:39 AM
BUT if you @Xitas are still new to programming, go with the resources provided by Patrick and tereško
 
@MarcelBurkhard I actually almost never link to my own post in the chat =P
 
@MarcelBurkhard yes i have started searching on that!
 
@tereško irony? :D
 
@MarcelBurkhard where do you work by the way? (if you don't mind sharing)
 
@Patrick I mind sharing because this chat is public and google indexed, sorry. I can tell you that it is a small company that you've never heard of.
 
11:44 AM
@MarcelBurkhard no worries. I understand. I might have heard of it, considering that we live in the same country and have the same job ;)
 
@Patrick I already took that into consideration, but I'm still sure you've never heard of us, we only serve local customers around aarau.
if there was a way for me to send you a private message I'd tell you but I can't.. ^^
 
No worries :)
 
back to the framework topic: I certainly will move on to SOLID, but now is a bad time for me to do that. We invested quite some time to get familiar and efficient with Symfony2 and I can't justify throwing that all away right now
 
Tightly coupled knowledge
 
whereas I can definetely push unit testing and other things forward
@Fabor yes, but I can't sell my boss that I basically f'ed up a year ago and we should've never used symfony in the first place
 
11:50 AM
@MarcelBurkhard I understand where you're coming from though. We need frameworks in order to build fast and on budget.
 
@Fabor nor would he understand, because we get stuff done fast
 
you can still use symfony. I always like to recommend this talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpkDN78P884
Rails people have the same problem :)
 
Cost/Marketing exceed development needs.
We just don't like promoting a generation of framework only PHP guys here.
 
I understand that, but you might scare people off
Because the message basically is "You have to design your code to meet the newest best design principles or you will get bad karma and a lot of hate"
:P
 
Yup. And a lot of those people don't care about programming on the same level as the guys in here.
 
11:52 AM
Or they stick around and learn. Like me... I learned A LOT during the past year thanks to this room
 
It's a bit Darwinian. If they get scared off, they're in the wrong room in the first place.
I try to point most framework question people to an IRC channel dedicated to that framework.
Room 11. The Crucible.
 
@Patrick I already learned a lot and was made aware of a lot to thanks to this room, and its only been a week. I'm grateful for you guys hating on frameworks, but I'm serious into programming and it's my job. If I'd be some hobby programmer I would probably be pissed and move on to node or smth. :P
I'm not saying you shouldn't tell people that frameworks might be the wrong way to go
Just saying you're a little harsh sometimes.. as in "shitty frameworks"
^^
 
Oh yeah. Definitely.
 
@MarcelBurkhard the truth ain't pretty ;-)
 
its a matter of perspective
 
11:56 AM
If you don't like that, there is always reddit...
 
@MarcelBurkhard You do realise that most of us are professionals, as well as hobby programmers. Some of us in smaller companies, some of us in enterprise
 
+ core PHP developers
 
@Jimbo yes I realize that, and while I'm a professional I wouldn't consider myself an expert if thats what you're getting at
 
@MarcelBurkhard No, I believed you to be saying that because we just hate on frameworks, we're not serious and programming / it's not our jobs, we're just "armchair programmers"
But I assure you that we're not :-)
 
Armchair. Fancy.
 
11:58 AM
lol, you know what I mean, backseat etc
 
You so fancy @Jimbo
 
oh shut it :P
 
Man, Mondays in my office are freezing. Heating is turned off over the weekend.
 

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