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12:01 AM
@ircmaxell the last person who talked about pthreads on their show made a mess ... real mess ...
 
:-)
 
@TumblrGuy more == merrier ...
 
@TumblrGuy I'm messing with you :-P
 
@JoeWatkins Hey, I was your first cynic on that note :)
 
have fun round the table, I'm off to bed, too. bookmarked, might watch in train tomorrow.
 
12:04 AM
@hakre bed is for wimps ...
nn :)
 
Real programmers debug code in their sleep.
 
@JoeWatkins :P
@TumblrGuy debug + design
 
sleeping solves all problems ... but I'd really love it if we could not talk about how great sleeping is for the next few hours ...
because hard enough ...
 
I usually do my designing during the day. By bed time I have tons of bugs to fix.
 
hmmm, which blog to post for tomorrow. One on PHP type system, one on physoclogical issues in coding, one on agile development or one on education vs mediation...?
 
12:08 AM
Why not all of 'em :)
 
not on the same day...
 
You know you can queue your blog posts on tumblr :p
 
I can queue them on Blogger as well
in fact, I can do more than queue, I can schedule them :-P
 
Yea, our scheduling system kinda sucks ballz though.
But I'm excited to say I'm assigned to some projects that should help bring tumblr into the spotlight on your favorite websites along with twitter and facebook very soon :)
 
eih
 
12:14 AM
physoclogical issues in coding ?
 
Sounds like Linus Torvald's life story.
 
yes
 
sounds interesting, what's the gist of it ?
 
I'm interested in the education vs mediation thing
 
I'm tired, I read meditation ...
 
12:17 AM
hah
meditation for programmers. That's gotta be a sell-out.
 
Same here.
 
@TumblrGuy that;s the one I scheduled
 
@ircmaxell I have a very expensive bottle of bourbon on my desk I'll trade you for a sneak peak :)
 
it's not a particularly enlightening post, but for bourbon, sure
 
I dunno what the education vs mediation thing is ...
 
12:21 AM
I wanna write a post on Silicon Alley, honestly. Been meaning to piece that together for a while now.
 
stop saying things I don't understand !
 
@JoeWatkins Silicon Alley is the "New York version" of Silicon Valley on the west coast. Where all the big tech companies like Google and Facebook are headquartered.
 
looking it up ... I kid I kid, say more stuff I don't understand ...
 
Silicon Alley is "Manhattan"
 
awesome
 
12:23 AM
can you disable eval ?
 
it's a language construct
you can't disable it can you, you can install something that messes with the executor, but we can't disable constructs ...
 
You mean from disable_functions?
 
oh I missed the second one
was reading ... two more seconds to open it please ?
 
@JoeWatkins you've got owner access, you can view the history :-)
 
12:27 AM
oh yeah
well ... who are you talking about there ?
 
hmm, stop arguing. Now that's something a lot of us need to do.
 
@JoeWatkins more than one person
 
I just wonder who you have on a pedestal ...
 
I don't know if I want to post that, it's deeply personal, but on the other hand, I feel I almost have to...
 
@JoeWatkins I'm telling you it's Linus Torvalds.
 
12:32 AM
also, not really a pedestal in the normal sense of the word, but people I do deeply respect
@TumblrGuy no, not at all
 
Are you sure you didn't work for nvidia one day when Linus said this? youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g
:p
I kid ... I kid
 
I love "I don't know", it means there is an unanswered question, I can't fathom why saying I don't know should change your opinion of anyone, or cause you any pain ... do I miss something ?
 
that's not what's causing the pain
 
well ... enlighten me, I'd like to understand ...
 
I'd rather not go into detail
 
12:37 AM
If there's one constant in my life its that people will disappoint you. Sadly I've built up a tolerance to that by being extremely skeptical of everyone.
 
fair enough
 
and I think I'm going to disable comments on that post
 
everyone is going to want details ... if you're not ready to talk about it yet then maybe best not to start the conversation ... because it going to take place, somewhere ...
 
The details are not mine to share
 
details details details!
The internet wants details...
 
12:42 AM
Lol
 
See... this is why I leave my personal life off the intranetz :D
Somebody somewhere thinks they know you and that they have a right to judge you.
 
Too late for that here
 
oh, I'm not judging anything or anyone ... we're friends, you've presented me with something I don't understand ... so I want to understand it ...
 
Keeping a blog is like making a sex tape these days :/
Once it's out there... it's out there!
You know this when people's twitter accounts start becoming news stories on CNN.
 
I like having a blog ...
 
12:47 AM
You and 200 million other people :p
 
1:12 AM
@ircmaxell one thing that wasn't mentioned in the last rfc for anon classes
<?php
class A {}

trait Behaviour {
    public function doThing() {
    }
}

$test = new A implements ArrayAccess {
    use Behaviour;

    public function offsetSet($offset, $data) {}
    public function offsetGet($offset) {}
    public function offsetUnset($offset) {}
    public function offsetExists($offset) {}
};

var_dump(
    $test,
    $test instanceof ArrayAccess,
    $test instanceof A,
    class_uses($test));
?>
the whole traits thing ....
 
Yup
 
1:27 AM
What do you guys think of creating an HttpRequest interface for PHP?
The idea would be to make it possible for people to parse the incoming request in any fashion they deemed necessary rather than letting PHP muck about it. It comes up lot in cases where people want to handle stuff like PUT requests with multipart form data, for example.
 
diff --git a/Zend/zend_compile.c b/Zend/zend_compile.c
index 5d3ee24..659f5bb 100644
--- a/Zend/zend_compile.c
+++ b/Zend/zend_compile.c
@@ -4426,12 +4426,6 @@ void zend_compile_implements(znode *class_node, zend_ast *ast TSRMLS_DC) /* {{{

                zend_op *opline;

-               /* Traits can not implement interfaces */
-               if (ZEND_CE_IS_TRAIT(CG(active_class_entry))) {
-                       zend_error_noreturn(E_COMPILE_ERROR, "Cannot use '%s' as interface on '%s' "
-                               "since it is a Trait", name->val, CG(active_class_entry)->name->val);
 
My idea was to make superglobals like $_SERVER, $_GET, $_POST, $_COOKIE, $_FILES, etc... go away and just have a standardized HttpRequest interface with a default base class you could extend that implements HttpRequest.
 
<?php
class A {}

trait Behaviour implements ArrayAccess {
    public function offsetSet($offset, $data) {}
    public function offsetGet($offset) {}
    public function offsetUnset($offset) {}
    public function offsetExists($offset) {}
}

class B {
    use Behaviour;
}

$b = new B();
var_dump(
    $b instanceof ArrayAccess,
    class_uses($b)
);
?>
I literally have no idea why we don't have this /cc @ircmaxell
 
Did you read the paper on traits?
 
yeah you showed it to me, they make sense in the paper ...
if we can't get anon classes, reckon we could get to finish traits ?
 
1:32 AM
Finish?
 
implementing interfaces is a 10 line patch, 30 if we need to implement something like zend_do_implement_interface_for_trait ...
I mean ^ that and the $thing = new Whatever() with SomeTrait;
 
Dislike interfaces. But like runtime biniding
 
I think interfaces makes runtime binding more useful
 
And more precarious...
 
in what sense ?
$thing = new Whatever() use SomeTrait;
is that odd ?
 
1:38 AM
diamond problem
not to mention maintainability issue that multiple inheritance brings, since that's precisely what you're implementing
we're on the hangout, chilling out
 
Is this a public hangout?
 
will be
 
2:00 AM
and we are about to go on air
 
@JoeWatkins love your enthusiasm there :p
 
lol
 
2:22 AM
Yes, 5.3.17!
or wiat was it 5.3.12 with the CVE
 
:-)
 
@JoeWatkins , $thing = new abstractWhatever() use SomeTrait; or $thing = new interfaceWhatever() use SomeTrait; ?
 
2:45 AM
resources are magic
 
@JoeWatkins feel free to jump in and say something :-P
 
can't you chat/type on the hangout?
 
yes,, but I didn;t want it on record
 
how about spectators?
 
 
3 hours later…
6:25 AM
good morning o/
 
posted on October 20, 2014 by kbironneau

/* by W */

 
What is that? That is so funny
 
6:57 AM
Hi,
can you make me understand what exactly error says
#1030 - Got error -1 from storage engine in mysql
 
hello guys
i have some sort of question on facebook sdk, can you post a message on your friends wall using SDK?
or just mention him , like HAPPY BIRTHDAY MY FRIEND then mention my friends also
 
can you post a message anywhere? i could've sworn the api was read-only last time i looked at it
 
on the fb? but mentioning?
ihave read some while searching they deprected it , i dont know if its true. that was way beyond 2013
 
@Kalpit , what is the context of this error?
 
ThW
7:27 AM
7
Q: Mysql 'Got error -1 from storage engine' error

ShawnI have a myism table 'test' which holds some out-dated data, now I want to recreate the table, all columns the same except that I changed the storage from myism to innodb. The dumped sql I used to recreate the table is like: drop table test; create table test ( ... ) engine=innodb insert into t...

 
morning
 
7:45 AM
@ircmaxell when I converted the inheritance to composition and separated the data from definitions, I got my memory footprint down 5 times
 
good morning
 
Morning tovarish
Kak dela? :D
 
Two more Russians? :D
 
I am not russian
Bulgarian, but our languages are close, so I was joking :P
 
Oh, I see.
btw, in your profile it says Netherlands. :D
 
7:51 AM
Yeah, cause I have Dutch residence
I have lived in the Netherlands for 5-6 years
What about you @Leri
 
@ziGi ty :D I'm from latvia, actually :)
 
@ziGi I am stuck in Georgia.
 
true
like Tereshko
 
@Leri oh man, that language that has nothing in common with anything
 
7:54 AM
hey you wonderful devs
 
same with Armenian and Chechen
 
how much is your hourly rate?
 
2$/hour
 
@zigi in netherlands?
 
Haha, hey, we though times, we have to be able to make money, othewise Indinas steal it
I am just kidding of course
 
7:55 AM
@ziGi isnt that too low ?
 
but usually I take like 20$
which is still low
 
@ziGi Yeah, that's pretty true. Well, at least it does not force you to have awful accents when you learn foreign languages.
 
really $2?
 
I WAS KIDDING!
 
20$ is okay from what country?
 
7:56 AM
Netherlands
 
hahah
wow how much is the minimum wage for a freelance php developer?
 
Where?
depends really where you live
 
in netherlands
 
mornig
 
I've never found time to start with freelancing. I think I have pretty old account on peopleperhour
 
7:57 AM
if you work as a contractor
 
morning @PeeHaa
 
for a company like Philips
it is around 80 EUR/hour
but that's because 32% go to the country
and it is not certain how long you can work like this for the company
because it is just for certain aspect
 
@ziGi Isn't that about average E. 86/h ?
 
wow mine is only 1,000$
 
@PeeHaa yeah
That's what I have heard
I have never worked like this
 
7:59 AM
where we supposed to have a great company offreelancing?
 
since I don't have enough experience
and projects to show off
 
are you in the company zigi?
 
@boyee 1000$/h?
 
moin
 
@boyee which company?
 
7:59 AM
morgen @JoeWatkins
 
sorry I have hard times understanding you
 
i'm from the asia
 
@JoeWatkins morning
 
philippines
 
I see
 
8:00 AM
morning
 
moin
 
how to be rich
haha
by the way , i was just wondering whats life ahead being a developer
 
to be honest
 
when were getting old
 
it gets harder
I guess
since you get older and you don't have a young brain anymore
 
8:01 AM
none of us is rich I'm afraid...
 
yes, programmers jobs are not in a long term
 
so I suggest you transfer to more
 
yes thats what i'm thinking
 
architectural job position
or managereal
 
8:02 AM
No time will force me to stop writing code. -.-
 
i think 40+ age will no longer as satisties the life of being a programmer
thanks @obi
ahahha
 
old farts write code better ... :D
later
 
lol
its nice to be a billionaire like mark zuckerberg
i which was him
lol
we all does
 
he might be rich but he still has no style
and married
...
look at Dan Bilzerian
 
@ziGi I would much rather be filthy rich than have "style" :P
 
8:06 AM
@peeha
i agree
haha
 
I'd prefer to be Dan Bilzerian than Mark Zuckerberg
Bilzerian doesn't runi people's lives at least
and sell their info to the government
but I guess you guys like being sinister and wearing flip-flops
 
@boyee nope.avi
 
haha
i guess its better to retire 40
and change career
 
@boyee you should be happy, there are asian women in your country
haha
 
yes i love asians they are beautiful in my eyes
hahaha
 
8:14 AM
not only in yours
 
netherlands too have many
 
many what?
 
i guess 2-4 girlfriends would be okay
girls
hahaha
but dont get near on thailand
 
hahaha :D
 
to many sexchange there
 
8:15 AM
too many men
:D
 
you might end up married to a gay
 
haha :d
 
without even knowing it
hahah
 
well that's why you always check first
 
haha
 
8:16 AM
in the netherlands some women look like men
so it's a trade-off you know
:D
 
lol they are? hahah
 
they just look that way
 
by the way , do you know how much does a youtuber get if his famous?
i was thinking doing that kind of stuff
just like pewdiepie
 
You could visit Thai, where some(many) men looks like a women.
 
i dont like thailand , no matter how much they look
scary
how about koreans?
 
8:22 AM
@boyee How about robbing banks?
 
they are beautiful to? do you agree?
lols
hahah
 
good mornings
 
posted on October 20, 2014 by kbironneau

/* by tsuna */

 
good meurning
 
8:35 AM
meurning
 
moring!
 
morning
 
morning* today I feel a little bit dyslexic :P
 
mornings
 
monring
 
8:44 AM
Not impressed with the bloody-minded anti #EU rhetoric of some of my countrymen, media jumping on board. They don't speak for all of us :-(
To my fellow EU members: I'm sorry my country is run by assholes
 
...?
 
What happened @DaveRandom?
 
something in particular happen?
 
@DaveRandom it's ok, all our countries are run by assholes
6
 
i think it's a requirement :P
 
8:47 AM
Just the general direction of Cameron behaving like an asshole to appease the UKIP crowd, who are... I have no words for them
 
what can you say about ISIS
 
oh, wait...it's not even the US this time. lol
i'm so used to us being the assholes in question
 
@DaveRandom passionate individuals ...
 
It's the BNP in a pretty frock
 
@FlorianMargaine mine especially...
 
8:52 AM
> UKIP is a patriotic party that promotes independence: from the EU, and from government interference. We believe in free trade, lower taxes, personal freedom and responsibility.
ah well, I didn't realize patriotism could keep economies afloat ... I didn't realize it was important at all ...
they are pretending they have policies now ...
 
...this sounds like the brits' version of the tea party
 
@cHao I hope it loses momentum in the same way
 
that doesn't seem to be happening ...
 
Not yet, but the Tea Party was a scary beast for a while. Farage seems annoyingly good at avoiding gaffes (even I sort of like him) but they have quite a few crazies in the ranks
It's a sad state of affairs when the person I'd most like to see running the country from the probably-available choices is Boris...
One should not choose a leader based on the fact that a) they are fairly harmless and b) it would be kinda funny
 
heh
 
8:58 AM
It's one step away from letting Prince Philip do something important...
 
Hey good morning guys, when using a switch, I should see cases as rules in order to use a variable?
 
It's just an elseif tree
 
no, the cases are the values that the variable might have
 
perfectly good reason if you ask me @DaveRandom
 
and yeah, what @DaveRandom said
 
8:59 AM
Right, thanks. I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with this code here..
 

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