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12:05 AM
In my head "when is 'tomorrow' for stack overflow..." refresh reputation page, see today change into yesterday.... "... neat"
visited 250 days, 100 consecutive \o/
 
 
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3:01 AM
Any ideas how I could parse an xml string while having a line/char property pair per token?
Eg; $xml = simplexml_load_string('Hello <b>world</b>!');
echo $xml->b->getCharStart(); // 7
OK, I think I've found a fix. The XML parser can be given callbacks for each part in the process. Hopefully, these callbacks would also get position.
 
4:07 AM
reading up on the new goodies in 5.4
i guess i dont see a use for Traits yet.
at least not in my scope of work, probably because i dont understand their use case.
 
4:20 AM
@Mike It's mostly a convenience patch for me.
Makes a lot of things easier.
 
closure enhancements are sexy
same
 
Array short-syntax, improved JSON support, etc.
 
love the new array short-syntax and closure enhancements
all i've gotten through so far.. tutsplus.com/course/whats-new-in-php
if only MAMP would get off their asses and release a 5.4 build of MAMP
aside from the guys accent, pretty good explanation
oh lord session upload progress is fgin awesome
@LeviMorrison just started the video about json enahncements, lets see the goodies.
 
 
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8:38 AM
do you really need tutorials for that besides php.net :)
 
@webarto dont tell people to use global pls. at least not when the question is also tagged
 
but I thought it was a good answer :) meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/134581/…
 
Yo
 
yo yo
 
 
8:53 AM
haha
 
Morning
 
Moening
 
How to express this date: 2012 June 30, 23h 59m 60s (no error) with a unix timestamp value and the date function in PHP? Is this not possible?
Morning @Donut, @Truth
 
9:19 AM
@hakre strtotime doesn't do the trick
 
Okay Unix Time is without leap seconds, so it is not possible. derickrethans.nl/leap-seconds-and-what-to-do-with-them.html
 
?
 
So somebody will tweak the markets probably that night ^^
 
I'm listening
 
9:35 AM
<?php
$time_str = "2012 June 30,     23h 59m 60s";
$time_str = preg_replace("/\s+/", " ", $time_str);
$time_str = preg_replace("/[hms]\s?/", ":", $time_str);
$time_str = trim($time_str, " :");

$dateTime = DateTime::createFromFormat("Y F d, H:i:s", $time_str);
var_dump($dateTime);
@hakre
Not the most straightforward, but than again, neither is your string
 
The DateTime object has been written by the author of the blogpost I've linked.
I assume we just ignore that leap second in PHP.
Or we need to update the timezonedb.
 
9:48 AM
morning
 
morning
Q: pokit.org/get/img/b15cf50c4029cc79a43400ede445d080.png shouldn't in "sessions" table be eg "user_id", "access_time", "ip", "location", "active", etc... so you can have greater control over user... or I am doing it wrong...
 
10:18 AM
morning @PeeHaa
@webarto What do you mean? Looks like a database row that stores session data which is a serialized list of variables.
 
morning
 
morning @NikiC
 
@hakre yes, Zend_Auth object is serialized and stored in current session id, I was just thinking is it better to add user_id column to avoid serializing object... (which is a copy of row from "users" table), thanks.
 
@webarto Better in which sense? Serialization has it's place in computing and as far as PHP sessions are concerned, that's how we do it since ages. What's wrong with that?
 
hmm... it's just that this doesn't "sound" right... pokit.org/get/img/55230273553b137f4ae9b74d49c5236d.png ... wouldn't it make more sense just to do a simple join based on user_id...
I might be completely wrong of course...
 
10:27 AM
Well what are you trying to do? Just storing variables in a session? Serialization works.
Doing something else? Well, do whatever you want, e.g. "serialize" the interger of an ID that relates to a database row of the user table.
 
Exactly, sorry for not explaining myself enough... pokit.org/get/img/5019fa1cb90d45e12d280376d32e2260.png this is basic info from "sessions" table, what I need is info from "users" table along with some extra on the fly generated data (geolocation etc), so if I want to pinpoint some user, I need to search through entire table with serialized data, instead of just SELECT * FROM sessions WHERE user_id = 1 :) thanks
 
@webarto That code is so ugly. Zend_Registry::getInstance()->configuration->session->staff_activity urgh
 
entire code in app is ugly (especially when doctrine makes 300 queries per page), although app works good :) it was made 3 years ago and no one touched it since... so basically I need to rewrite as best as I can using ZF 1.11.11 and Doctrine 1.2.4
too much magic stuff for me... hope I will get used to it
Q: I beautified some messy code, about 1000 lines, and git was showing inserts deletion etc... and then replace: ... does that mean file is completely overwritten when there are too many changes...
damn I'm annoying today...
 
Okay, then what pervents you adding the userid to the session table? I'd say you should have a column for it to have this indexed more accesible.
 
10:39 AM
@Donut: You can only best criticize stuff if you made use of it as well.
 
Well, I pretty much wanted to ask why
 
@hakre lead developer :) I've asked to do it, and I got "what is wrong with this?" serializing, because the guy has +10 years in experience than me, I wanted to make sure that I have remotely valid argument for that... thank you for your help
 
I'm just being curious
 
Okay, I was not aware that this is connected to a social problem.
Tell your lead developer what you need. MySQL does not support PHP serialized data natively.
So if you want to query for userid you can not.
 
@Donut The Autoloader is already one year old ^^ I'd change it now, but it would break BC. Also, I find testing the Autoloader a bit absurd, so I don't care much whether or not it's static ;)
 
10:43 AM
So, if something is not meant to be tested, I can use static?
 
@Donut No, you should always aim for testing everything.
 
@Donut There is nothing that's not meant to be tested
 
Even if it always works?
 
So, prevent the use of static if you don't need it.
 
@hakre exactly :) I like the term "social problem"... thanks
 
10:43 AM
Well, apart from the autoloader :P
 
E.g. if a global function does the job, why add one to a class with static`?
 
@NikiC Thanks, I got it now ^^
 
I have some autoloader under test for one library, I don't think it's that bad. It's static btw. and I don't have any problem to test those static function I must say. But their usage is very limited.
time for the second breakfast.
 
I usually have 2 coffees before breakfast :) bon apetit
 
yeah , i hear it is harmful to have a high blood level in your caffeine solution
 
10:53 AM
evening all
 
lol
@Paul evening
it's cool when you are in the middle(r) timezone(s), morning in USA, evening in AU...
so @tereško good afternooon
 
yes, sometimes i just treat the PHP room as a 24 hour morning timezone.
 
we should coin some PHP UTC good (morning|day|evening)
hi and hello would do the trick though
 
hi, I finished an introductory course in php and know the basics, can you recommend a book or site that can teach me the more advanced concepts like using namespaces, how to organize code so that I can use classes in other apps easily, design patterns, anything to make me a better coder?
 
11:08 AM
@webarto Thx, was delicious. Coffe? Third coffeepot just finished (but not alone ^^)
@grasshopper Wow, sounds like you even want to extend that already long list.
Is there anything that you want to program?
 
11:24 AM
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Q: Atom or RSS, which one is better

lucaI am planning to make an iPhone application that pulls the information from websites and lists it on the iPhone. The data is received either in Atom or RSS. I would love to know which one is better regarding these criteria: Stability Flexibility Longevity Expandability The most important thing...

 
@hakre Yeah, just need a good resource to teach me more, the thing is I can start coding now and end up with an app that works, but I dont want to end with sloppy or unsafe code
 
namespaces: see manual (do the examples); how to organize code: see spl autoload (manual as well), the one class per file scheme is common, also see PSR-0; design patterns: Learn some OO language like Java or C++ first; anything to make me a better coder?: Practice.
@grasshopper You will always do with your first app. But it's okay. Not doing would be more bad.
I'd say if you cope PSR-0/Namespace/Autoloading you've done a good step.
You can then make use of composer: getcomposer.org
 
@hakre, thanks for the advice, ill be using google translate to translate that foreign terms
 
The less code you write alone, the better you'll become btw.
what's your native language?
and I can give you some links for the terms you want to know more about. just let me know which ones.
 
well I started in java, building a simple calculator and thats it, but i wanted to do web dev so basically its just php
@hakre what does composer do in laymen's terms?
 
11:35 AM
@grasshopper It helps you bring together different libraries. So you don't need to write all your own (and your own code can be more easily exchanged with others).
But probably before composer, just do git.
For example create yourself a github account.
 
any one known how to plac mc faster in as2
*plac=play
??
 
@hakre, cool, ill take a look, thanks for the advice, namespaces and autoload will be my next great beast to be slain.
 
12:00 PM
Apparently, PHP's XML Parser and CSSMin's parser both fail to somehow provide line/char of tokens.
So it seems I'm stuck yet again.
 
@Christian Define line, char. I'd also suggest you create tokenizers yourself that provide that. Here is an exemplary one that works with a flex like notation: github.com/hakre/XDOM/tree/master/src/XDOM
That one doesn't have the line/char feature but I can imagine it should be easy to add it. lex/yacc btw. offer line and char.
 
@hakre As I take it, they're using some tool to generate PHP out of .lex?
 
does anyone have a good approach / tutorial on how to make a wordpress single page website
 
@Christian nope, that one does not. take a look in the PHP code, it compiles that .lex to regular expressions.
 
@hakre Eww :D
 
12:07 PM
That one is pretty dynamic, so you can do stuff on the fly. Later on one could staticfy that.
 
Heh, I had a really nice LexerGenerator project once
But it somehow got lost
 
*But?
 
I really don't understand how one can lose a whole folder
 
@NikiC well, just one wrong keypress?
normally it's like that.
 
@hakre yeah
 
12:08 PM
I've seen a couple of projects out there, I wasn't really impressed.
 
And I'm not the backup kind of guy ^^
 
@NikiC Well, I've lost an entire harddisk once.
 
I haven't backed up a single bit of data
 
@Christian Well, you should look here: llvm.org - PHP on it's own is three recursive times weaker than that.
 
I just hope that my harddrive does not crash ^^
Which is maybe a bad bet as I'm using an SSD
I heard those often have problems
 
12:10 PM
@NikiC do it like linus: spread the code across the globe.
 
@NikiC SSDs are usually more reliable. But once it's gone, there's no chance of recovery.
@hakre Maybe I'm just overcomplicating stuff, but I thought, would it make sense to have these parsers compiled into programs which returns a list of tokens (text / php serialized / json)?
 
@Christian No that's common, that's for what tokenizers are for.
And from my experience they help a lot with parsing.
 
@hakre :D ok, I'm on the right road, it seems.
 
Or as NikiC wrote it in the regular expression article, the tokens are the "terminals".
For one parser project I had also made very good experience with automatically growing tokens, that is, if the same token is there after each other, it will grow into one.
 
@hakre I'm not sure I see the point there, but I suppose it would be interesting to see.
 
12:17 PM
@Christian You often have a dot-match-all token at the end to catch assorted characters, e.g. data. Creating one token per char is overhead.
 
@hakre OK, I get it. For example, to group whitespace in HTML as one token.
 
So in that case I made it auto-growing, e.g. one token with a string of lenght let's say 60 instead of 60 tokens of string-length 1.
@Christian yes, like that, but often whitespace is more than one character already.
It's a pitty but I don't have that code online. However technically I'd say the XDOM example code is a better example. Espeically as it comes with tests.
In the XDOM example I'm using that .lex notation only because that is part of the CSS specification. If you create something similar your own, you can do your own notation, for example in form of a json file or directly as an array. That should make it simpler to manage.
Because the XDOM parser does not fully implement the lex notation here. E.g. no real options parser, no support of character encodings and the like.
And the tokenizer has a flag that allows to skip CSS comments (or not in case you need to parse them). That's already specific, you might want to have something that is more generic.
If your base tokenizer is an Iterator, you can add special treatment later on easily with filter iterators, recursive iterators and such.
I think I have another example online in one SO answer later today.
It's related to PHP code and SQL within a string.
 
You said this approach is common. Off the top of your head, do you recall who might have done it?
 
hi
Im trying to convert the Post Data into a single string
 
@Christian Tokenizer + Parser is lex & yacc for example. That's the very basic of C compilers.
Look for the Dragon book.
 
12:30 PM
@techno implode
 
but the 0 is returned
$message =$_POST['m1']+$_POST['m2'];
 
Please help
I can read the values individually
 
@techno $postdata = file_get_contents("php://input");
 
@techno Do you want to add (for numbers) two post variables, or concatenate (for strings) them?
 
12:32 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/9872190/… <- even related to the POST problem here, e.g. implode('', iterator_to_array(recursive...))
 
Do you guys have a nice approach to building single page websites with Wordpress??
 
@Christian yes
 
@designer Isn't that a little overhead? Using wordpress to manage a single page?
 
@techno "yes" is not an answer, add or concatenate?
 
but 0 is returned
 
12:33 PM
@designer Get rid of all the pages except one.
@techno Answer my question.
 
@techno In PHP "hello" + "world" results in 0
 
I'm trying to concatenate two strings
 
@hakre is it? what would you recommend then? i still want the editor and all that
 
@techno The concatenation operator is '.'
 
In PHP "hello" . "world" results in "hello world"
 
12:35 PM
oh
 
@Christian and then how to put all the content from different sites into one page? And the menu needs to work with hashtags not standard urls?
 
im a desktop application programmer
 
Q: should "sessions" table be a temporary storage for session id's and data or archive as well (don't delete session row)?
 
not good in php
 
@designer Then just do it. Just create a single page and set it the homepage. See codex for details.
 
12:35 PM
thanks
 
@designer wtf are hashtags?
What you want to do should be done with a custom template.
 
@designer PHP has no hashtags and it does not support them. You need to use javascript inside the browser for that.
 
@Christian The menu need to work with #something and then scroll to that position
 
@designer That's not the business of PHP, that's done by the browser automatically if it supports HTML properly.
 
@hakre yes i know, but wordpress would need the menu to use #something and not /something
 
12:37 PM
@designer As I said, you need a custom template.
 
@designer Make it the homepage. Then the link is / plus # plus X.
 
@Christian i know, just wondering about these things - but i guess all can be done in there
 
in wordpress, do something like:

foreach($pages as $page)echo '<a href="#'.get_permalink($page->page_ID).'">title</a>';
 
@hakre oh okay, ill try that
 
But I'd say it's more efficient to learn a little HTML and edit the page by hand.
You will get much better results.
And the page is easier to maintain.
 
12:40 PM
But my code is half the story. You need javascript to do the scrolling.
 
@hakre hah well I'm a frontend developer, so i know pretty much anything about html..
 
@hakre If I understand his issue correctly, he actually has several pages but want to display them as one on the frontpage.
@designer Something like this?
 
@designer Okay, because wordpress editor is not good in supporting HTML.
 
@hakre Don't ask how I've ended up there :D
 
@Christian @hakre yes i just want a single page website, like themeforest.net/item/woop-wordpress-single-page-portfolio-/…
@Christian yes, although I'm going with the vertical version of that
 
12:42 PM
@designer You need some PHP code to load all pages in wordpress.
I'm afraid I can't help much there, not because it's hard, but because there's tonnes of documentation about it out there.
Starting point: look at wordpress' get_pages()
 
@Christian sure its alright, i will try looking into it more. You guys got me in the direction, and maybe i just check it out and go with php+html version and no wordpress..
 
@designer Your website visitors and your server resources will thank you!
 
@hakre riiight ;)
 
@hakre probably true :)
do you guys know how SEO will treat these single page websites? bad?
 
:\
 
12:46 PM
@designer SEO will work like always. Put enough linkage and you've won.
And anyway, if that's a single page, how important can it be? I mean, store it on archive.org and let it disappear from your server when you're done. ^^
 
@hakre its pretty important :D its a product website to show off one single product
thats why I'm going with the single page
 
well take a look on the homepage of google chrome webstore. Let us know when you've scrolled to the end. Each of those applications is well indexed by google, so I'd say SEO just works.
Even with single-paged sites.
 
True. Ill go with it, although probably not in wordpress anymore because you told me :D
 
@designer Well, you can use wordpress for that if you like. And you should not do something only because someone in an internet chatroom blurped something.
Hi @Row Minds. How's your XML axing going?
 
hi there
i have solved my problem like this
$PostContent = htmlentities($PostContent);
$PostContent = nl2br($PostContent);
$hrefs->item(0)->setAttribute("post_content",$PostContent);
and then
<xsl:value-of select="text()" disable-output-escaping="yes"/>
so now i have newlines, and all text is escaped, hope is good
 
1:03 PM
you might consider ... htmlentities($PostContent, ENT_QUOTES);@RowMinds
 
Also check for the correct encoding to be on the safe side ;)
 
Why is it that people always want to use htmlentities?
I mean, instead of htmlspecialchars?
 
htmlspecialchars() worked for me in any case...
 
@NikiC good question. I normally don't use it, at least not since I knew how to specify the charset for the HTML document.
 
1:31 PM
pokit.org/get/img/596db8b3963915bb55b6cc1a8e599bb5.png is second method somewhat better than first
 
1:49 PM
I think someone should go through and and remove all the inappropriate from them.
 
@hakre nice :)
"1. index (basic info on all active sessions and links to the
following for each session)"
I'm having a hard time figuring what is "following" refered to.. following task/link? (it is related)
 
@webarto what do you mean?
 
xampp is a linux server right?
i have to install memcache on linux server
does it means linux as fedora or xampp , wampp?
 
PHP needs an internal API that can traverse both arrays and Traversables
Otherwise it's impossible / very hard to build functions which can accept both arrays and Traversables
Which is probably the reason for most array functions being incompatible with iterators
 
@hakre I figured it out, it was a link to kill a session (☠) :)
 
@NikiC I'd say most are incompatible because they expect arrays by reference.
iterator by reference makes no sense.
 
Well, most are incompatible because they simple need more than just traversability, but there are also many which should work perfectly fine on iterators
 
@NikiC foreach can traverse both array and Traversables.
 
2:28 PM
@hakre Yeah, but that's not an internal API ;)
 
@NikiC But there must be something internally inside PHP to get foreach to work. Maybe that's the API you're looking for.
 
well .. if you are not aware of it , under the hood, foreach runs on blood of sacrificed kittens
4
i think , that's the best way to describe the black magic, that goes in making it work
 
any of the gamers in here own Sins of a Solar Empire and can recommend it?
 
Yeah @tereško described it pretty well. foreach is a 400 loc block which does all kind of magic
I definitely don't want to write 400 lines of code every time I want to traverse something :)
Or 200, if one is optimistic
 
@Gordon , depends .. i dislike the endgame
then again , almost all RTS's have that avalanche-like effect
 
2:37 PM
@tereško is it more 4x or more rts? more like MOO2 or more like Homeworld?
 
more of an RTS
if you want a really good 4x , then get "X3: Albion Prelude"
 
@tereško i thought about buying the X3 Superbox
 
it might be a good investment .. if you have hardware to run it at max
 
contains all the X titles up to albion:prelude
 
is there a strict empty, meaning false is not an empty... currently I check it like this pokit.org/get/img/a2e170d7945f98878cf8430c9d774a6f.png , valid?
 
2:44 PM
@tereško though the Gold Box is likely a better choice given that I probably cannot bear the gfx on X and X2 nowadays
 
3:01 PM
@NikiC Heh. Not going to idle a PHP room. :P
But thanks for the comment, that answer was pretty crappy
 
@Gordon X3 - Gold Edition - 2 gebraucht ab EUR 6,77 ^^
 
@hakre i dont buy used. but thx :)
 
@Gordon I never had problems on amazon. And if there was something wrong, you get refunds from amazon and normally the vendor doesn't even want to have the stuff back.
 
@hakre if it was for me, amazon could completely remove second hand and partner shops. i only ever buy new stuff from amazon directly.
oh, well. thats not true. i bought from some partner shops but i am hesitant and usually check if there isnt an offer by amazon directly before i do
but I buy my games through Steam anyway :)
 
hmm, I normally buy games in boxes. no idea why :)
 
3:16 PM
@hakre I used to do that, too, because it would give me something material. But when I finished the games and wouldnt touch them I had all these boxes flying around. Then I tried Steam and got hooked by it's convenience.
 
@Gordon Steam is not convenience if you want to give a game to a friend.
And if you don't keep the prints, chance is likely you loose the games.
All pretty complicated.
 
user895378
@GordonM The right choice in language is the the one you know very well. Some of my resources are written in Python as well. The point is that, just like everything else in programming, loose coupling is desirable. The delivery mechanism is no different.
 
user895378
@NikiC I work for myself: I aggregate and analyze financial data on publicly traded companies then repackage and sell it to companies/individuals who use it to help make decisions on buying/selling securities.
 
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@LeviMorrison I think I prefer the bottom version
 
4:01 PM
@hakre true, but if you buy enough games on steam you'll spent so much time playing them that you wont have any friends left to give the games to ;)
 
lol
 
4:25 PM
@hakre my encoding is on server side, trough php, i hope it's enough, because i'm really concerned about security
 
@ThiefMaster It's a fun room :)
@rdlowrey That's awesome
@ThiefMaster And we all want you here! Look to the right, you got eight stars ;)
 
4:44 PM
@Truth: My eyes have been opened! Thanks! — eivers88 2 hours ago
 
@NikiC Nine
 
5:05 PM
i think there is no real question here or it's a dupe of how to access namespaced elements, so stackoverflow.com/questions/11170796/…
 
@rdlowrey Try telling that to the guy who wanted to use PHP to develop an Android app. :) Though ho hum, my flaky connection yesterday totally ruined my attempt at playing devil's advocate :(
 
5:23 PM
@rdlowrey How is your weekend going?
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison Good -- I didn't get as much done yesterday evening as I meant to ... I had a sudden urge to play Civ4 and Genghis Khan needed to be shown who the boss was.
 
user895378
Yours?
 
@rdlowrey normal civ4 or gods and kings?
 
user895378
@Gordon just normal
 
@rdlowrey booooring :) i am thinking about buying g&k addon when its cheaper. might put the fun back into game. it contains most of what i was missing. but of course, it's 2k games, so i might get disappointed again.
 
user895378
5:26 PM
@Gordon Hehe, I don't need lots of frills when I conquer the world. Just regular world-domination is fine for me.
 
f
 
Might need to rethink that RMR business in light of that lecture, because it seems to be the opposite of what he recommended.
 
Hi friends,
Is there a way to sort category/taxonomy list based on number of posts it contains in wordpress?
 
user895378
@GordonM I don't think so. Your controllers should be very thin. They shouldn't encapsulate lots of business logic. In a web app, MyController::get and MyController::post are right on the boundaries of your application -- they specifically exist to translate all the things from the delivery-mechanism-agnostic core code into a format the browser user-agent will understand.
 
5:44 PM
@rdlowrey It's gone fairly well. I had a problem at work that I decided to solve by coding it from scratch.
It means it will take like 2 more full days of work to fix the problem.
That sucks.
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison I'm assuming someone else wrote the original offending code?
 
@rdlowrey You could say that. It was my code two years ago. :)
 
user895378
Oh, I've been there :)
 
user895378
I usually prefer to fix stuff like that once and for all instead of skirting the issue as well.
 
@rdlowrey At my earlier times, I used to rewrite entire projects 3-4 times in a month's timespan
 
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5:48 PM
@Truth Yep. It's just so hard to tolerate the wrong-headed code you wrote before reaching your most recent state of enlightenment!
 
Part of the problem back then was that I wasn't as familiar with what needed to be done. Another part of the problem was that I was looking at a bunch of spaghetti function calls. I just wasn't as skilled back then to figure out what needed to be done.
 
user895378
I personally find it reassuring to realize how far I've come by looking at code I haven't touched in a long time and seeing all the improvements that could be made.
 
user895378
Though it can negatively affect my productivity :)
 
Slightly disheartening as well.
 
@rdlowrey Am I misunderstanding RMR then? Because I thought a big part of it was that the business objects themselves dealt with the requests directly with get() post() and whatever else. Isn't the idea to have an RMR Resource basically be a model and controller in one?
 
user895378
5:54 PM
@GordonM I don't view it that way. I think RMR controllers should essentially be an adapter for connecting your application (that doesn't know anything about the delivery mechanism) to the user-agents who are asking it for information.
 
Hmm
I was reading it as "The business objects are addressed directly by the URL and process the HTTP requests themselves"
 
user895378
Right, but just because someone makes a GET request for the /widget resource doesn't mean your core application needs to know that the information it returns about a widget is going to be represented by an HTTP message.
 
If the resource actually just hands off to a business object then isn't that just MVC?
 
user895378
Basically.
 
is it OK to put @author above methods?
 
user895378
5:58 PM
@webarto could make sense if you have multiple authors working on the same class ...
 
If there's more than one author for a given class then I don't see why not. Otherwise why bother?
 
user895378
@GordonM For me, RMR only exists on the boundary of your application to convert its internal concepts of business objects into an HTTP resource
 
thanks guys
 
So in that case what should a Resource be? I thought a Resource was a Model but with the Controller built in
 
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