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3:23 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit All right, you're funny, I'm funny, etc.
Let's play the who can be funny game, except, I just kind of wish, with the 1 rep users who don't speak English, we played the "helping" game.
Also: I bet if we got out our pedigrees and qualifiications outside of SO, I'd beat you up and down the wall 10 times, but that's EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING US NOT TO DO. No points. No how many years. No how many famous people you know. Let's just pretend every 1 rep person is an insecure kid in India who has crap idea of how to use the wacko markdown and the point system is intimidating and it's a weirdness space... and...
NOT BE RUDE
 
3:45 AM
@HostileFork Context plz
 
@Borgleader It's not super complicated but all the comment deleting makes it look like so.
The only anti new user thing that I get on board is spam filtering.
And you might ask: "What is the difference between spam filtering and people who are not performing due diligence before they outreach to the computational meta-mind"
But what I want or wish, this is my little "I can't change much but I can whine on the internet" ... I'd ask that when 1 rep users come along we don't use it as a joke time, there's plenty of jokes to be had on codegolf
I myself love da trolling. Few know that the beard is not actually real, yes, I am Dr. Rebmu...
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A: How do I split a string??? Help plz? (code trolling)

Dr. RebmuC My homework assignment is take a string and split it into pieces at every new line. I have no idea what to do! Please help! Tricky problem for a beginning C programming class! First you have to understand a few basics about this complicated subject. A string is a sequence made up of onl...

Had you all fooled.
Looks so real, that beard.
But we can put everything in its right place, don't demonstrate your "cleverness" on someone who "just heard about stackoverflow" and is a teenager and has no idea what they're doing and might not speak fluent english
Come pick on me, harass me, fight someone your own size, not them.
 
@HostileFork Hey dude, I have a forking great idea. Start a room with him, and say all of that to him, and leave us the hell out of it. kthxbai
 
@Borgleader Well then if people didn't drag me in here I wouldn't have to read and understand the policies of "The Law". It must not be all that complicated a law if I am brought here to look at him thinking that counting fake internet points or (even more amusingly) badge counts had anything to do with the legitimacy of one's ethos.
I mean, the points are enough of a mockable thing as is.
 
@HostileFork "people" who's people?
 
But counting badges, oh crap. How much have people lost their marbles to think they can win arguments.
@Borgleader I don't think saying "this is stupid, shut up" is really a bad response to the discussion.
Unfortunately, if some wacko like me doesn't ask some wacko like him to stop, he'll keep doing it. And, I think actually, from the comments, he dislikes it every bit as I do
Ah heck. Talking about principle. Y'know, always hard. We all fear death right? So like, we grow up thinking death is bad. Well who wouldn't be afraid. Death! Bad! You get all kinds of panic in your mind right? (If you've ever had a panic attack you know what I mean, yeah? Like some kind of discomfort in you... and then you're like... what if that's a heart attack, etc, etc.)
 
4:05 AM
gets popcorn
 
@hichris123 brand? microwave? how many minutes? FOCUS THIS IS IMPORTANT
 
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Identity is complicated, hey, I'll be the first to admit it.
But c'mon, there's not some old amiga collector in the JS room who shifts personalities to bash 1 rep users, all the while being gracious to JS folks, who then goes about as LightnessRacesinOrbit
(Not buying it, and I'm a very abstract identity person with lots of them)
I guess it's not the hardest thing to believe.
Anyway, whoever I'm up against, it wasn't supposed to be a fight, it was just about "can we be nicer to the new users?!" and last I checked that had like 300 upvotes
That's the beginning and the end of my argument, I don't have a lot more to say
 
 
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9:00 AM
You think "your indentation is the indentation of a crazy person" is too rude to a new user. I do not. That's all there is to it.
No need to start going all penis-size on me with your "outside of SO I would beat you up and down the wall" and pages and pages of text
 
 
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3:43 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well you were the one who started that reputation thing with trivialities, I mean, counting badges... what?
Fake internet points, as I said.
I was drinking last night and yeah that's going to exaggerate the response, but I just think this new user psychology thing is "actually important"
I don't think I'm wrong about that, maybe just overreacting... but if any reaction is overreacting then I think it's the wrong bias
I go around trying to tell people StackOverflow is great and I don't want to have it not be.
(Esp. not to kids, who don't speak English very well, trying to solve project Euler problems.)
DOWNVOTE + CLOSE VOTE + NEGATIVE COMMENT + SECOND SUPERFLUOUS SNARK COMMENT
That's not a good program to be running.
These are opportunities to be an ambassador for a service that is really powerful, and you're someone I would hope would know better.
And moreover: how does it benefit you? If it's supposed to be humorous or amusing, who's laughing besides yourself? This is why I got so riled.
Maybe you want to scare away "undesirables" so it suits you better? Okay, but I think that is better done with rules. Break rule, be punished, point out rule broken. Not indirectly in a way that gets people to hate StackOverflow and never come back and tell their friends to use something else because "those guys are jerks"
And, I'll add, it wasn't just the "calling someone crazy" (which, being a crazy person, I find insulting when used as an insult). It was that you did it with a substitution expression that may be hard to understand.
You sort of encoded your insult
 
4:02 PM
@HostileFork I think the "user" psychology thing is way more important than the "new user" thing.
 
If someone goes around, asking "what... what does this mean?" and they get to the bottom of it after effort and find it's just another mean thing, I mean, what good is that?
@sehe Well, maybe. But I get in this bias where certain things like "kid" (probably/possibly), "ESL" (almost certainly), "trying to solve Project Euler problems", "1 point", "new"... it just starts to add up to where I go "can we not make this the place where we do the downvote dogpile and snark?"
They don't know about the versioning history, they don't know how to turn the cranks, they may not see the value in sticking with it. And 111k users shouldn't be doing that. He may not want to talk about it, but I think SO's health and reputation is affected if there's not a "don't do that"
I mean, why isn't there a block on posting messages with tabs in them? A warning box that says "hey, tabs aren't how code works here, use four spaces".
Or at least all tabs converted to four spaces automatically.
That guy's code was in part a disaster because of that tabbing
 
I'm continuously unsure what you're trying to say.
@HostileFork (Both larger statements in that last message could be interpret in completely opposite ways)
@HostileFork 111k users shouldn't... stick with it?
@HostileFork Is there not a "don't do that"? - see my point? Slow down :)
Sadly I'll have to go home now
 
Okay, I could be clearer, I just talk fast because I'm clear to myself.
And I type a bit fast.
 
... You got it
 
"I like StackOverflow very much. I would have loved something like this when I was a little kid trying to learn programming. I was stuck alone in a basement with a C-64 having to reverse engineer the whole thing and I picked up some pieces of the puzzle but not all."
I have these kind of cute things I've been scanning from me in the past:
And I feel this outreach of empathy for that person, and wondering what I might have accomplished if I had today's resources at my disposal.
So while some people are very focused on StackOverflow's professional efficiency, I am bent a bit toward wanting the inclusivity where those with knowledge and those without it can meet and everything flows in a friendly way.
The encounter (now deleted) was a case where an unknown to us (and probably now, never known to us) person was trying to solve a Project Euler problem.
I ask: can we, as a community, not just let things like Tomalak's response slide?
And the answer I got was "sure, it was moderated out"
"now why can't you shut up?"
"...and...er, also, have you checked your blood pressure lately? you might combust if you don't relax."
(I am paraphrasing)
But "Tomalak gets to be abusive and insulting to a new user, and it's moderated out later, and everyone has a good laugh" is subverting the moderation system. Because he still scared them off. If there's no punishment, he got what he wanted... the damage was done, they'll never come back.
No wonder he doesn't want to talk about it. :-/
 
 
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6:30 PM
"More forwards, please."
 

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