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12:24 AM
@Spacedman I can't put my finger on what I find unsettling about that, but unsettled I am. Maybe it's my bias from all the time hanging around in universities, but I like R's academic heritage.
 
 
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4:41 AM
Let's move this to CV, please. stackoverflow.com/questions/31283231/…
 
 
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9:06 AM
Oh my, check this out:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31287110/regroup-variables-by-labels-in-ggplot2-without-computing-on-the-datas
Regardless of the question, when did that piping become so weird-looking?
 
9:27 AM
@tonytonov Piping between Haldeyverse packages is a very common thing now. There is nothing you can do about it anymore. BTW, + is also piping in a way and you got used to it.
 
9:47 AM
I mean, I presented a talk about dplyr/magrittr and I know the paradigm, but it looks more like a dialect now.
I have a bad feeling about this.
 
@tonytonov Yes, we all have. But again, it's too late. hadley has too much influence, the amount of people following him on GH, twitter, etc. strives to infinity. I don't see anything that can be done about it. But I maybe wrong...
 
10:17 AM
This question was closed before I could verify suggested "match" was indeed a duplicate. stackoverflow.com/questions/31289392/…
 
 
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3:20 PM
@DavidArenburg Push back, point out problems where the exist, don't drink the koolaid. This really is fast becoming what Bill Venables cautioned us about in his Quo vadis talk (and notes)
 
4:05 PM
Someone getting a deserved slapdown for asking stupid questions on R-help: r.789695.n4.nabble.com/R-project-on-App-V-5-td4709567.html
s/stupid questions/ridiculous boilerplate software procurement questions/
"Are there licensing details regarding the product, and if so please advise on how it is controlled / locked down. "
@GavinSimpson then I'm sure you will all upvote my answer :)
 
@Spacedman Blech. I hadn't looked at this yet: "To really become mainstream R needs to shake off its academic image, and as I see it, the R consortium has been set up to make that happen."
 
4:26 PM
Can someone please explain the CAPTCHAs on that site comments?
A question to answer
[ ] + (minus 0b0ll0 ) = 74
 
@Spacedman They're a "Discovery Engineer"
 
@BenBolker sigh yet another idiot commentator
 
@joran How do they find R-help without finding most of those answers? Unless someone said "The R support email is r-help@whatevs" to someone clueless
 
yeah, that r-help question is pretty ridiculous. i like how it also has a confidentiality footer
 
How? I dunno. The depths of human stupidity have yet to be plumbed.
@Frank It would be funny if the r-help listserv could automatically comply with the directive "If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately" on behalf of all subscribers.
 
4:37 PM
@Frank R-help occasionally gets mails like that, often from some corporate drone asking about licensing, because their software procurement processes were written when software was supplied on tape spools.
 
@GavinSimpson I could name many, starting with R was completely reinvented and etc. Not to mention that you yourself ranted about pipes not long ago chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/106?m=23920307#23920307. Other than that, I really don't want to start another world war in this room
 
4:53 PM
@Spacedman ah, i guess i'm not too surprised. i've pretty much only used r-devel and datatable-help
 
 
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6:36 PM
@DavidArenburg I wasn't suggesting that you hadn't done any pushing back, nor that you had drunk the koolaid. I don't think it is too late to push back against the balkanisation of the language is all
Too many people that should know better spout all kinds of silliness about pipes that just isn't true in the R implementation of them because of how R works. I have no issue with people using pipes in their workflows but presenting everything as requiring pipes is an issue we should fight.
Also, this isn't an issue with the Hadleyverse; you can pick and choose which of the pkgs to use. The way people are using pipes is more problematic to me. Writing functions to use pipes promotes a particular way of writing R functions which in and of itself is actually a good thing.
 

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