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2:31 AM
@Spacedman funny because it's not quite true, or funny because it's sinking the boot into SAS and Stata?
 
 
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7:25 AM
The question could be a duplicate of at least the first link Richard provides: stackoverflow.com/questions/25475181/… Would anyone agree?
 
 
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10:03 AM
I'm bumming advice off of fellow R-ers regarding what would be a good strategy when giving a hands-on course on R (and stats). To type code as I go, or display the code on screen and wait for the attendees to type it off and then explain what they've just done. Or something third.
All hands-on class organizers: What would be a good approach, to type code along with students, or have it displayed and wait? #rstats
 
10:19 AM
@RomanLuštrik Not sure if my opinion counts too much, but when I teach my co-workers R/stats, I always "force" them have R session opened on their machines and having them run the code. This way I make sure they are keeping attention and can get a feel of R (not just by looking on a screen)
 
That is known`</a song of ice and fire reference>`. Do you think it would be best if I typed the code along with them, or do I display a chunk, have then retype it and then go through it step by step?
I have tried these two approaches and each one has its plus side, but I was wondering what others think and what is their experience in this regard.
 
11:09 AM
Can we close this please?
@RomanLuštrik I usually prepare the code ahead (otherwise I will surely have syntax errors which can take some time to fix due to the pressure, which will make me look unprofessional/unreliable) and send them via email. Then we can run each line together accommodated by explanations
 
@RomanLuštrik When I did this last, I wrote a script as I went and explained my reasoning. After class the students could download that script.
After each new subject, there was an example task (SO style). I then asked how to solve it, but if no suggestions came forward I used a random number generator to determine a student who had to sit in front of the class and solve it with the help of his peers (and my help if nobody had any ideas). My focus was not only on the language but also on teaching how to develop a solution.
 
11:25 AM
@Roland This sounds like a good approach. I may dwell more into this in a second iteration. I'm currently covering a lot of ground in ~10 hours, so I don't think there will be time to be very pedagogical. My idea was to display the code (a html of the script) and faster students can go ahead and do their thing, while I can work with those at a slower pace.
 
11:35 AM
@DavidArenburg I wish we could drop that one down the memory hole.
 
12:01 PM
@RomanLuštrik Have you heard about Software Carpentry? They are quite experienced doing the teaching bit, and still debate the question.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel I wasn't aware of the site, thanks.
 
Have a feeling we should close this one too
This one too probably
 
@RomanLuštrik And there is a thread from last month about "How do you teach R?"
 
Just read it. :)
There appears to be a split between "typers" and "copyers", but not ideological.
 
12:18 PM
I just finished the Software Carpentry teacher training and am planning to run a bootcamp in November
I think I'm going to try having them type code in the scripting window in RStudio, then running blocks
 
@RomanLuštrik Pragmatic bunch for the most part. If you don't talk to the Python folks that is ;-)
 
I usually pass them with my hands covering my ears and going "bla bla bla bla", especially if they start talking about modeling.
 
 
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@RomanLuštrik So, in serbian "dupe" means a donkey?
 
 
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4:46 PM
@RomanLuštrik That's hilarious!
People post the weirdest stuff: stackoverflow.com/questions/25490620/…
 
 
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7:52 PM
@JoshuaUlrich In the limit, SO is dominated by the fact that at the end of the day, someone answers their question, regardless of how poor the question or how rude the asker. That force is unstoppable.
Gamification giveth and gamification taketh away. :/
 
8:11 PM
@joran, it is stoppable (at least partially) if these questions get annihilated the second they appear. Yesterday I saw a very OT question tagged both R and python and the guys from python closed it in 50 seconds adding 10 downvotes.
So the question above should have been closed as "unclear what you asking" or "too broad" or "read the documentations" and move on
 
@DavidArenburg Interesting. So Python is good for something after all. <grins>
 
@DirkEddelbuettel, yeah we should start adding python tag to all the OT questions from now on
 
 
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9:32 PM
@joran, funny thing is that question was answered (in depth) by two of our finest...
 
9:43 PM
@DavidArenburg True. Ironically, one of this things I really like about SO is that there is a range of viewpoints among experienced users. "On average" the community is pretty reasonable. :)
 
@joran It is also seems that while answering even the stupidest question ever, you can always find some interesting new stuff you previously didn't know and you can learn about
 
@DavidArenburg Indeed, and in my most patient, @GavinSimpson-like moments I find that to be true as well.
 
@joran I am not reasonable.
 
@JoshuaUlrich That is your valuable contribution to the community average. ;)
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Yes, I keep it from being too high.
 

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