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2:37 AM
@PeriDidaskalou You may want to find the "R Public" chat room instead of this one.
 
 
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7:01 AM
This question was closed 14 hours ago, but someone answered 11 hours ago. How can I get such super powers?
 
@Roland Time zone difference?
 
@RomanLuštrik, nope. I actually saw it like 2 mins after the answer was submitted. The question was closed long ago. I was wondering the same back then, but wasn't sure if worth checking/asking
 
Just don't start a carfuffle on meta, please. :)
 
@RomanLuštrik, good idea :)
 
7:41 AM
@Roland @Roland, see here
 
7:52 AM
@DavidArenburg Thanks.
 
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2:12 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel i'm sure it has its uses
 
2:31 PM
Perhaps we should ask for sort code, account number, address, copy of signature... stackoverflow.com/questions/25448691/…
 
All in the interest of making it reproducible of course
 
@Dason Precisely
 
3:06 PM
Can we all chill out on this question:
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Q: how do i plot two models into one graph

ipkall winI used DoseFinds to building the two models and I want to plot both model on the same graph to compare. library(DoseFinding) fmodels <- Mods(emax = 25, doses=doses, placEff = 0.5, maxEff = -0.4, addArgs=list(scal=200)) fmodels2 <- Mods(emax = 25, doses=dose...

It's just a mess all around. They haven't provided the best example, but they are just looking for grid.arrange I'm fairly certain.
 
@joran no, they're looking for "How Can I Make A Reproducible Example?"
 
@Spacedman Yeah, Roland seems to be of the same opinion. For some reason I can't rule out them just wanting to place two plots side-by-side. Granted the example isn't reproducible, but if that is what they want, seems simple enough to point them to grid.arrange.
 
3:21 PM
@Spacedman Thanks for contributing. I re-closed the old version of their same question as a dupe of that one, so hopefully everything is cleaned up now.
 
@joran I think the OP has PO'd.
 
@Spacedman Yeah. I kind of don't blame them for getting a bit irritated. Their first version of that question was closed as a dupe of something that really wasn't a suitable duplicate, I think.
 
4:12 PM
@joran Well, if they had started by reading the documentation of the function they are using ...
 
@Roland "You've not read the documentation, idiot" isn't a valid reason for closing though...
 
@Roland Sure. It just didn't help their mood when their first question was closed as dupe of something that obviously didn't really help (IMO).
(And I know you didn't close that first version.)
 
4:29 PM
@joran I understand that and I understand getting frustrated. However, they could still stay polite when asking for free help. In real live I would have shown them the door.
 
@Roland Oh for sure. They got plenty rude.
 
5:06 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel Not necessarily a bad idea, but I think a flawed and/or doomed one. The not-bad-idea is "I would like to install the development version of this package specifying it only by name". I'm assuming it is being installed in a separate development library, it's for testing and/or debugging purposes, etc. etc. (that is, all the normal caveats with installing a development version of anything).
The reason it won't work is that there is no explicit specification of a source code repository in DESCRIPTION and so it must be guessed from the URL and BugReports field. And there is no way of knowing what the "development version" of a package is even knowing the repository; different authors use different conventions.
And it looks as though they are just comparing the VERSION field in DESCRIPTION to see if it newer which is a separate (bad) assumption. Adding something to the DESCRPTION file which points to the source code repository or the development version (or both) would be a useful addition (just as BugReports is) and would require package authors to specify these things as only they know the conventions used. But a package guessing these things is not going to be very successful.
 
@BrianDiggs I was dismissing packrat for similar reasons, but folks seems to think it's the best thing since whatever the other recent best thing was ...
It is hard to bootstrap a package management system on top of a missing infrastructure for such package management.
I fully disclose cognitive biases from having used Debian based systems for now just over two decades...
 
@DirkEddelbuettel I think it is people getting fed up with various aspects of CRAN and trying some new ideas. Most will fail. Maybe someone will get it right.
I've not looked at packrat. But I think you are right. The missing components are a fatal flaw.
The biggest problem will be that those that control the definition of a proper package are the same as those that maintain CRAN (though they loudly claim, technically correctly, that CRAN and r-core are not the same thing; CRAN has the ability to get things into base R that no competitor ever will).
Debian has good, coherent, package management. And since you have managed to get much of the CRAN repository available as debian packages, you know better than most what the limitations and flaws of the current package structure are.
 
 
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7:06 PM
@BrianDiggs I also think it's a tool for a made up problem. If you worry about repeatability/reproducibility you don't want to be using some arbitrary point-in-time code from github. These don't have to be "devel" versions of old, but to me it seems crazy to even both with this if you are using a development branch...
A release, well that would be different and git/github has those...
 
7:18 PM
@GavinSimpson Repeatability and reproducibility are definitely important for "work" (production). I was thinking that is was a reasonable thing for development, debugging, and testing (is the bug I found present in the latest development version, etc.)
 
@BrianDiggs wouldn't you just grab the code and get on with testing rather than let someone's code take the wheel in setting up an environment?
 
@GavinSimpson Nothing wrong with cloning/forking/checking out the code, building the package, and installing it in a temporary library to test it yourself. Or wrap all that up in a function so you don't have to do the individual steps yourself each time. At that point, it is just a matter of writing my own code or using code someone else has written (and hopefully worked the kinks out of).
I don't think we are really disagreeing; what the dtupdate package does is generally not a good idea (update all your packages to the development version). But I think there can be some utility in someone else having worked out the details of installing development versions of packages (which I'm not convinced they really have).
 
@BrianDiggs I think we aren't disagreeing. But devtools is that tool - I don't see the need to have something manage or work this out for me. Perhaps I'm projecting but wouldn't you have the code in a cloned repo anyway if you are fiddling at the level of debugging a development version?
 
7:38 PM
Of your own code, yes. Of other people's code, probably, if you are at the level of proposing patches and not just bug reports. But I see your point. Rarely would I want to install from the original repository where I wouldn't want to have my own checkout/clone of it so that I could make modifications/patches/tests. Development versions of dependencies, or a version with a crucial bug fixed (and I just want the fixed version) are the only real use cases I can think of. Not frequent occurrences.
 
8:37 PM
@user3694373 Feel free to drop into the R Public room if you have R stuff you'd like to discuss.
 

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