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4:22 AM
hi all
 
 
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5:30 AM
I think it's somewhat unnerving that while I was reading the response to "What is the function of I()" that I knew the person answering was @GavinSimpson before I even got to the end of the response. I've got to spend less time on SO....
 
only 154 badge holders.. i am surprised
 
5:47 AM
:/
 
:7974080, and 5 k followers.
What's a matter, @shirleywu?
 
@geektrader This page is better: stackoverflow.com/badges/208/r
 
How's that project of yours coming along?
@AnandaMahto how long have you been awake and R-ing?
 
@RomanLuštrik Today? Just long enough to answer one reshape question.
 
@RomanLuštrik I have no idea where my data go wrong still :P
 
5:50 AM
But was kept awake last night by two sickly children and one sickly wife.
 
@AnandaMahto I'm 170 votes aways from a gold R badge. \o/
 
I pulled two consecutive all-nighters for midterms that turn out to be quite easy. Maybe I should sleep before I face R again :P
 
@shirleywu R prefers its users be well rested and groomed.
 
@RomanLuštrik Awesome! I'm about 3000 rep (not votes) from being a trusted user. I was hoping to get that before I became a yearling, but I don't think I can pull that off unless I score some bounties.
 
@RomanLuštrik yeah... I should sleep some. But not too much
 
5:52 AM
Because, like, you know, my goal is to be a trusted user.... Meh. Not really.
I just enjoy it here.
 
Yeah, you don't want to be TOO rested. No one wants that.
 
haha
First I should get off Facebook though
 
That's all the time I have for today. I gotta go,they're delivering the urn and I have to be there. Cheers.
 
Bye!
 
@RomanLuštrik My condolences are with you.
I don't think I got to say that when I first read the news.
@shirleywu What are you studying and where?
 
5:57 AM
@AnandaMahto Biochem in California
 
@shirleywu I miss California. I spent a good portion of my life in Santa Barbara.
 
I must have testified my Econ I professor's assertion that biology major people are dumb
Oh, where are you now?
 
The other side of the world in India.
 
I had a high school friend who went back to India. So far away :(
 
If you think its far, try imagining 20+ hours on a plane with a 2-year-old and a 6-month-old when going back to visit the family!
 
6:02 AM
Do you hold the baby in your laps?
 
That's what I'll be doing in May, and I am not looking forward to the flight at all.
 
@AnandaMahto whatever you do don't fly Air India :P
 
We'll probably get a bassinet for baby #2, but baby #1 now needs her own seat.
 
Warning heeded
 
@geektrader It's usually Cathy Pacific or Lufthansa from Chennai if your ultimate destination is LA.
 
6:08 AM
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Q: Nonparametric quantile regression curves to scatterplot

shirleywuI created a scatterplot (multiple groups GRP) with IV=time, DV=concentration. I wanted to add the quantile regression curves (0.025,0.05,0.5,0.95,0.975) to my plot. Below is what I have done so far: Concentration Time Group 1 0.00 0.00 1 2 0.00 0.33 1 3 ...

Can someone tell me what went wrong with my arguments?
fit$co‌​ef[1]+fit$coef[-1] and Times[-1] are of different lengths... :/
I can't think at all... Taking a nap for two hours and try to pull all-nighter later :/
 
@AnandaMahto good.. I have heard horror stories about Air India :P
@AnandaMahto do you fly over from east or over from europe?
 
6:27 AM
@geektrader The last few times I've been back it's been through Europe (changing planes in either London or Frankfurt). If I have to go to San Francisco instead of LA, though, that tends to be either Thai or Singapore Air, so we go the other direction. I think there's one more common LA route from Chennai that goes via Hong Kong, but as I remember, it's always quite a bit more expensive.
 
ya.. that's what i wsa going to suggest.. Singapore Air I have heard is lot better
 
@geektrader I love Singapore Air, and I love the airport in Singapore too. Maybe if I fly out of one of the other metros in India. But that might require getting on an Air India flight ;)
Ok. I'm back to editing workshop reports now. Ciao.
 
may be you can take Tiger Air from Chennai to Singapore and then from Singapore to US... even Indigo has started flying from Chennai to Singapore
ok ttyl
 
 
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9:31 AM
@AnandaMahto how do you type so fast :P
 
10:18 AM
@geektrader Not sure what you're talking about ;)
I write a lot for work, and I hate using things like spell-check and so on, so I've sort of forced myself to learn how to type quickly with a low error-rate.
 
woke up
 
@shirleywu @RomanLuštrik specified "well rested and groomed". According to your status update here, you've only fulfilled one condition ;)
 
@AnandaMahto Can't get too well rested though :P
 
 
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12:34 PM
:((
 
1:33 PM
The problems in this question seem too specific to the dataset. I vote to close as too localised:
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Q: How to change variables into quantitative?

Pooja MandaviyaI have a data matrix (900 columns and 5000 rows), which I would like to do a pca on.. The matrix looks very well in excel (meaning all the values are quantitative), but after I read my file in R and try to run the pca code , i get an error saying that "The following variables are not quantitativ...

 
1:47 PM
Can someone help me?
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Q: Nonparametric quantile regression curves to scatterplot

shirleywuI created a scatterplot (multiple groups GRP) with IV=time, DV=concentration. I wanted to add the quantile regression curves (0.025,0.05,0.5,0.95,0.975) to my plot. And by the way, this is what I did to create the scatter-plot: attach(E) ## E is the name I gave to my data ## Change Group to f...

I am still struggling...
 
 
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3:46 PM
@shirleywu I seem to have gotten it working (I think).
 
4:07 PM
Anyone care to explain the forecasting process or method in R for a novice user? My biggest problem is to set up data , upload from xls? how it should look like ? the format? most videos and blogs i read just jump straight to the R package, and i always get confused.
When i say explain, i meant point me towards the links, books, youtube videos? Anything that would help the beginner in this process.
 
@Gyve We're not going to be much more help than Google.
 
Also see the room charter in the top-right corner. You are in the wrong place.
I am very confused. A 'dates' question was asked over 30 minutes ago, and nobody has mentions lubridate yet. Where are the minions?
 
4:23 PM
@joran Thank you so much! ><
You are a life savior
@Gyve I am a novice too. Tried to find R for dummies with no success :P But aren't you usually uploading from csv file or txt files? This seems to always be in the introductory lesson for R
@Gyve just read beyond the R package section; the next section almost always talk about reading file to R
@joran I just deleted the dropbox link to my file, because I am worried that I didn't distort my data enough (am working with protected data)
 
@shirleywu No problem! Always glad to help solve a problem (on the main SO site, not here in the chat room)!
:)
 
4:41 PM
@joran SO is such an awesome place. I wish I could pay back, but the only thing I know more than the average people here is Chinese :(
 
Asking high quality questions is just as good a way to contribute to SO as answering.
 
lol. I have the feeling that the top contributors in SO are puzzle lovers
 
@AnandaMahto lol 3 ppl giving same answer :P
 
where?
 
5:05 PM
@geektrader I changed mine. I've got to keep my shape-shifting status alive.
The output doesn't match what they showed, but matches what they asked for in the title :P
@shirleywu It was an easy question: stackoverflow.com/q/15140973/1270695
 
@AnandaMahto Thanks :D
D: I thought RStudio is just a cooler version of R. Somehow I get different results for my graph...
wait, maybe it's me
yep, it's just me
 
Thanks for suggestion @shirleywu
 
@shirleywu Interesting comment. The thing that draws me to programming is that it is very organized, which is a lot less puzzling than trying to figure out what goes on in the world around me. But, I guess you can say I enjoy the puzzles... where the outcome is usually predictable.
 
5:20 PM
@Gyve I am just a novice like you, and I keep having to ask really simple questions too. Often times other novices asked questions in the SO before and it's easily Googled :)
@Gyve FYI it is read.csv("file path name.csv"); you could save your excel as csv
 
Guys, can you please go off and create an "R for newbies" room somewhere?
 
@AnandaMahto :D I prefer things that could be solved too
 
This tries very hard not to be one. Ok?
 
@DirkEddelbuettel Oh, okay. Sorry
 
@DirkEddelbuettel Oops. I felt a spanking coming on. Sorry Dirk!
 
5:28 PM
Just to clarify (expressing my opinion/interpretation of the mission statement): it's fine for R newbies to be here, and even to speak up, or discuss the experience of being an R newbie ("everyone is welcome ..."). You don't have to be an expert to hang out here. The room is not however for asking/answering basic R (belongs on SO) or statistical (belongs on stats.stackexchange.com ) questions.
 
Right. And banter etc is fine. But we all benefit if we can come back after four, six, eight, ... hours and quickly scroll back and see what happened. Which doesn't work if this becomes a) a personal chat room or b) a place where people read the "An Introduction to R" to each other. We all know where read.csv is documented. And those who don't, please study up and come back another time.
 
Okay. I'll keep this in mind. I get too excited seeing someone who is newer than I am.
:(
 
It's interesting to note that there is a range of approaches in other major language chat rooms. PHP's description suggests it's sort of a free for all. Android and Javascript have actually written up quasi-formal rules:
(I point this out to emphasize that it's not just the R folks being cranky. Many other rooms have felt the need to codify a set of rules.)
 
love it. You don't get to play if you're named user123456.
 
Ok then. Fun's over. Poittu varén! போய்ட்டு வாரேன்! And, while we're at it, good night.
 
5:41 PM
No, I perfectly understand. It's important to have some order.
 
@joran There is no alternative. Look how the main page is flooded now with a) low qual questions and b) (as a consequence) low quality answers/follow-ups.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel Indeed. I've heard that the Andriod tag in particular is quite a mess. And I can't even imagine the flood of repetitive, bad questions PHP gets.
 
5:53 PM
Can we have a chat room to discuss what should be in the R chat room?
This gem of a low quality question was just asked on R-sig-geo: "How to save R Output into Ms.Excel ?"
and remarkably three people have answered. On SO it would be now have a score of -4 and probably marked as 'not a real question'.
vive la difference
 
@Gyve uh, ew.
 
@shirleywu i just think everyone in here was a newbie once! A little guidance won't hurt.
 
@Gyve Try again
 
@Gyve But the point is, the place to ask question is not the chat room
They are really helpful and kind when I ask questions in SO
 
@Gyve CRAN Task Views, package vignettes.
your question was very wide ranging. any answer might have spewed over several pages of r-chat
 
6:01 PM
@shirleywu they told me not to ask questions that doesn't include programming in SO ..so i started wandering around
@spacedman Totally agree sir, i am like walking in desert. only took 2 classes in college that included R. learning all my own via internet now.
 
I just ignored my first user. Not a batlle I fear we can win ...
 
i am at work myself, and has no intend to waste anybody's time. All i am asking is if someone can point me to the right direction or Chatroom, or blog , i can move forward. if not, its all good. I have come this fa..and i know i will go further
 
@Gyve Never had any actual R lessons :/ and the help pages are so very undescriptive to me.
 
And the next one.
 
Well yeah I have been apologizing, because it's half my fault.
 
6:04 PM
@joran: so how do we enforce the rules from the Android room? Given that we just had someone with reputation 1 ("one") join meets this is borked beyond repair.
 
who has a reputation of one?
 
@joran IME Android is worse off than PHP, especially because Android doesn't get much community moderation
At least PHP has a dedicated squad of people closing bad questions... one of whom is running for mod ;)
Anyway I guess the problem of oversaturation of either low quality questions or repeated basic questions, and people using chat as a substitute for asking questions, affects the entire site in general. Wish I knew how to deal with it
 
Is it possible to set up a room for SO newbies then?
 
It's possible in that sense but I'm not a chat regular so I don't know if that would fly
 
the expert sometimes take turn supervising the newbie chatroom
and raise the barrier to this one
So possibly the newbies can try to help each other out in the chat room if it is simple/repetitive. When they fail they post to SO?
I would most likely be grouped to the newbie room. Not very excited myself.
 
6:49 PM
I see a "Create a new room" button at the bottom. chat.stackoverflow.com
 
7:15 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel It is possible to create a room that is invitation only (NSChat and Andriod both need invitations to write, but not read). Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to there being two rooms, one "open" and one that serves the purposes that this one is supposed to now. I'd happily participate in both (assuming I was granted access to the special one!)
@BoltClock I think the chat-room specific issues aren't really a problem for the StackExchange folks to deal with, more of an issue that each chat room community needs to deal with individually. But the ability to switch a room from open to locked would be nice, if it doesn't already exist.
 
@joran Room owners and moderators can do that
 
Ah, I didn't know that.
 
@BoltClock I am one of two owners here, logged in as me ... and never found that option. I would have thrown that earlier dimwit out had I known where the tools are...
 
@DirkEddelbuettel room▼
 
I looked at control access but didn't grok it, or missed the magic fields / switches / options.
Anyway, I don't really have time for this now...
 
7:24 PM
@DirkEddelbuettel Well if you are willing to manage granting/denying permission that's certainly one way to go. Just let us know so someone can go start an unlocked version for the masses.
 
oh, doh, there is a radio button right at the top
 
@joran: You are now a room (co-)owner. Go for it.
 
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ovo Thanks for everything that you are doing
 
7:33 PM
I've created a new public chat room called r public in preparation for actually doing this.
 
Favorited the room
am I getting kicked out of this one?
 
In order to avoid mass confusion I'm going to wait at least a day before I actually make this room read only and write by invitation. I'd like to give everyone fair notice of the change, and an opportunity to weigh in.
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@shirleywu Yes
 
@DirkEddelbuettel OK :( Please come to the R Public room often
 
7:38 PM
I'll wait for you here. I'm sure you'll get promoted at one point.
 
@shirleywu Keep in mind that everyone will be able to "enter" this room and read/follow the discussions. Only write access will be limited.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel Thanks! I hope so too
 
@joran That's why you are acting manager and not me. I shoot first, ask later ;-)
 
@joran Perhaps as the Creator of that room, you ought to make the opening speech
 
room topic changed to R: This room is for (meta-)discussion about the R language via the [r] tag on Stackoverflow.com. It is not a help forum for R; it is used to coordinate responses (edits, closures, etc. or plain snark) to posts as well as occasional R-related chatter. Everyone is welcome, but generic R questions belong on the main SO site. A sibbling room ("R public") is available for newbies. [r]
room topic changed to R: This room is for (meta-)discussion about the R language via the [r] tag on Stackoverflow.com. It is not a help forum for R; it is used to coordinate responses (edits, closures, etc. or plain snark) to posts as well as occasional R-related chatter. Everyone is welcome, but generic R questions belong on the main SO site. A sibling room ("R public") is available for newbies. [r]
I really can't spell. Or type. But then you knew that already.
 
7:50 PM
lol you catch that typo yourself
Since I am not going to be in this room the next day, please ask other people to join the R public room! I would be really lonely by myself :P
 
8:42 PM
If folks could star this previous comment of mine a few times, to make sure folks see what Dirk and I are planning, I would really appreciate it.
1 hour ago, by joran
In order to avoid mass confusion I'm going to wait at least a day before I actually make this room read only and write by invitation. I'd like to give everyone fair notice of the change, and an opportunity to weigh in.
 
Someone starred the re-quote and not the message-to-be-starred.
 
done :)
 
8:58 PM
@joran Starred (in order to stay on @joran's and @DirkEddelbuettel's good side)
 
@JoshuaUlrich I don't matter (did I ever?) but you sure-as-hell want to be in @joran's good books.
 
@DirkEddelbuettel If you mattered, I would have switched to Emacs by now... :)
Instead, I taunt you by using plain, boring, ol' C. :)
 
My plan was to start with folks who have been regular participant with at least 3k rep (i.e. able to cast close votes) and after the initial culling, the decisions would be at least partially made by the group as a whole.
But one of the reasons I'm waiting a day or so is that I was expecting all sorts of outcry (which hasn't happened yet).
 
Starred and fine with me...
 
@JoshuaUlrich C and vi(m) is fine. There have to be some lower productivity programmers. I only get mad when I hear about Java and Eclipse :)
 
9:26 PM
What about MS products? You love those, right?
 
10:00 PM
Starred. I'm not an authority but @joran 's idea sounds great!
 
10:50 PM
@joran Sounds okay to me. I think I slip in under the radar so I'm happy on an individual level.
Though I am at the junior end of the established R'ers.
 
@thelatemail 3k rep isn't really that high of a bar, and the idea is for the room to be for folks who are active "curators", not a pure rep club.
 
11:37 PM
what what what? The room is forking?
 
@Spacedman Problem? (The fork won't effect you.)
I absolutely want to hear about it if people object.
 
@joran unless i like having newbies to snark at in realtime, of course...
anyway bedtime, to sleep, perchance to dream..of the perfect snarky line
 

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