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12:25 AM
@Ali Ali, in that sense, Matlab is fantastic because of the maturity of its help and demo systems. Python has also come a long way in recent years, and the IDEs & community are fantastic (look at the # of Python Qs on SO versus those for Matlab).
However, if one is doing statistics, there's no comparison between the support for stats in R and that for any other environment or language. There simply are very, very few skilled statisticians that one would identify who are notable for using C++, Fortran, Python, Java, etc.
@Ali That would be a Python user, not an R user. A person doesn't use R to avoid pain.
@JDLong It comes with (in)experience.
@joran Must. Resist. Star.........
Damn it.
@RomanLuštrik Why do I get the feeling that there's nothing about American culture that you're unaware of? :)
 
I wonder when will we know when R becomes lingua franca.
 
Ah, the french language! :D
Yes, spoken throughout the French Empire. :)
 
That was just a blimp in history and I have a feeling it won't repeat itself in a while. Unless you can wipe a village off the map with a really smelly cheese.
 
Well, let's not wish the same for R... Maybe R will become like mitochondria: part of everyone's DNA.
 
I think we already have RNA. ;)
 
12:35 AM
I'm not going to use any more biology metaphors while you're around, it'll look stupid. :)
 
Oh don't feel frightened by my presence, although it sometimes is, I've been told.
 
Darn it, I crave Ruffles ever since I read @Joran's comment. Terrible.
"The most frightening man alive"?
"The most frightening man alive"?
Hmm, I seem to have internet problems.
 
No, just the guy with a rifle by his bed. :)
 
The Most Interesting Man in the World is an advertising campaign for the Dos Equis brand of beer, produced by the marketing firm Euro RSCG for Cuauhtémoc Moctezuma Brewery. The ads feature Jonathan Goldsmith as "the world's most interesting man" and are narrated by Frontline's Will Lyman. Goldsmith has stated that his friend, actor Fernando Lamas, was an inspiration in creating the character. The advertisements first began appearing in the United States in 2006. Sales strategy and results The agency's rationale for the brand strategy was defined thus; "He is a man rich in stories and expe...
Ooh, moderator elections must be over. Lemme see who won.
 
1:25 AM
Nope, not over.
 
 
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11:17 AM
Greetings, friends!
 
12:14 PM
hello hello
 
Hi!
Just got to my other office and I'm already keystroking away... As kinky as it may sound.
 
Ave!
 
12:35 PM
tempting to jump in and answer this and steal some rep from Andrie:
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Q: Increase the width of matrix printout

SpeldosaWhen loading a matrix consisting of 12 columns into R, and then printing it, the terminal window in OS X cuts matrix in half, sort to speak, first showing all the rows with the initial 7 columns and then showing all the rows again with the remaining 5 columns. However, I would like it to display ...

 
12:59 PM
Bonjour!
@Andrie I was thinking of you when I encountered a survey recently. In recent years, I've gotten very tired of surveys: a few times my statistical training clicks in and I critique the survey mentally. I start to critique the number of questions, whether the questions will get at the information the clients want, if the polling firm will actually be able to tease out anything given the questions, and more.
I gotta say, I don't envy you one bit for the irritation that must arise. However, I suppose you have the sense to develop well-designed surveys. :) Or at least charge enough that when you have to analyze a bad one, life will be more enjoyable afterward...
@Spacedman go for it. I'm going to. :)
I'd like to see better answers...I'm sure there are tips on SO that I'm not able to find at the moment.
 
1:30 PM
Afternoon you all
Who's in for a religious war?
I want to get to version control, looked into R-forge and Rforge and I don't know what to do now. @Hadley says github...
 
1:42 PM
bitbucket!
 
2:01 PM
@JorisMeys Picking version control like the software/protocol or the host? Sounds more like the latter?
 
@gsk3 both in fact. I never really used anything else but the charming manual version (i.e. naming my folders package-2.0.0.1 etc...)
 
@JorisMeys I'm shocked. Shocked. :-D
I'm still on the not-so-charming manual version myself.
Going to go to Git when support gets added to RStudio
periodically find myself wishing for a VCS, but only for a fleeting moment when it's too late!
 
@JorisMeys I recommend GIT, whether or not you use github. All of my R projects are on github. For a windows client, I use tortoiseGIT, which works fine enough.
I have a defunct project on r-forge, but found that a bit tricky to set up, and don't see much of a benefit, really. I figure that if I can build a package locally on Windows, it's bound to build on *nix.
Lastly, github has some really neat features for co-operation, such as flagging of issues, easy code review, easy request to merge a branch, etc.
The benefit of GIT over SVN is the fact that it's local. You can do version control on your own machine with/without a central server.
PS. I have also used SVN extensively. I do a bit of development on LimeSurvey every once in a while - and that's hosted on SVN.
@Iterator Most surveys are shite.
(Even some of my own. Sometimes it's not worth pursuing the finer points of survey design when some other client need is paramount. Quite often that need is a deep-seated need to keep things the same as previously.)
 
2:18 PM
hola useRs
I just had a strange "experience" with S4 classes
 
Thx Andrie, very insightful. The only reason I would use r-forge would be the "publish on CRAN" button I heard rumours about
@aL3xa ola aL3xa. strange experiences with S4 classes? I've never heard about such a thing before...
 
say I have this object:
`s <- "I'm a _lumberjack_ and I'm *OK*, I [sleep](http://www.sleepfoundation.org/) all night, and I [work](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work) all day"`
if you do str(s)
it will say that it's a Reference class 'asciiTable' [package "ascii"] with 40 fields
sorry
a <- ascii(s)
 
ah...
 
str(a) returns this one =)
 
and which package? I don't happen to have an ascii function in R 2.14.0
 
2:21 PM
eponymous package
it's in CRAN
if you do isS4(a), you'll get nice li'l TRUE
 
how is it spelled exactly
 
it's an S4 class, why it's reporting it's a Reference class ?! O_o
how's what spelled?
you can install ascii package with ordinary install.packages("ascii")
 
can't it be both an S4 class and a Reference Class? or did I learn nothing from my readings a few months ago? :-)
 
ah, ascii package...
 
@JorisMeys I recommend the devtools package, which has the function release which submits your package to CRAN as well as opens a template email to Kurt.
 
2:25 PM
@Andrie got it already, thx for the tip
 
hm, maybe I was mistaken; can't find where I read that
 
@gsk3 haha I just wanted to ask you about that stuff =)
 
was thinking it was here
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Q: What is the significance of the new Reference Classes?

gsk3Apparently John Chambers added Reference Classes to R in 2.12. There doesn't appear to be much information online yet, but they're calling them R5 classes, which implies they're on a level with S3 and S4 classes. So two questions: 1) What is a reference class, and how does this fit in with exi...

but it's clearly not! and skimming the readings Dirk posted I can't find it anywhere
don't want to be starting rumors about S4...she might not appreciate the damage to her reputation
 
From the help files :
Reference classes are implemented as S4 classes with a data part of type "environment".
see ?ReferenceClasses
that would explain
 
dammit
I knew it was RTFM issue, after all
thanks @JorisMeys
yeah, now I remember about the environment part
from Jeff Horner's talk on Rook
but I never tried to dig deeper into RefClasses
 
2:29 PM
@JorisMeys Vindication! If only I'd read the @JorisMeys manual instead of all of that useless documentation stuff :-)
 
@gsk3 or let @JorisMeys read the manual for you, you mean :P
 
haha, yeah... @JorisMeys hops in as captain obvious =)
 
@aL3xa No prob, I remember I've been puzzled by that, so it was easier for me to find it in the vast amount of ascii signs on those help pages. It is quite a bite to digest...
 
@aL3xa Bill for @JorisMeys 's services: $1mm. $1 for reading the manual. $999,999 for knowing which manual to read.
 
mastering R... priceless =)
@JorisMeys, well, I have an idea for a package
just having those classic Buridan Ass moments
S3/S4...
If my stuff relies on S4 code, maaaybe it's better to stick with S4...
(@JorisMeys I guess you have a bloody good tip on S4, too =D)
 
2:35 PM
Change of topic...
Sometimes on SO a question has a yellowish background. What does that mean?
 
@aL3xa Honestly, that reference class thingy I shy away from due to the - for my feel - enormeous overhead and the fact that R is pass-by-value for a reason. I hate it when functions change my objects without me specifically telling so
Captain obvious strikes again! YaY!
 
@JorisMeys, yeah, that's a bugger. Though it can be very useful, since it's easy on the resources... no copies, no mess... =)
 
PS : if you look at only the questions tagged [r], the ones in yellow have additional tags you marked interesting
 
@Andrie, yes, it's because you tagged it as interesting. I didn't like it, so I untagged R
 
@JorisMeys Thanks for that.
 
2:38 PM
I think that "uninteresting" questions have pinkish background
but @JorisMeys, in your opinion
if you were to build a wrapper for a package that relies on S4
would you go the S4 way?
(please God, don't let him send the manual page again... =D)
 
@aL3xa No manual page today. Depends actually. If you need only the functions of that package, you can do it in S3. But in S4 you can easily write additional methods for the objects, which seems to be the preferred way.
 
@JorisMeys hm... will investigate that one... thanx for info =)
 
3:29 PM
stackoverflow.com/reputation
Gives your personal reputation history. Very interesting.
 
4:01 PM
Hello. Just wrestling with Eclipse Indigo. Looks like my setup at my workstation is a bit out of date. :)
 
What's wrong?
I'm on 3.7.1
 
Yeah, I'm on 3.5...
I keep getting weird warnings when I'm entering debug mode )'keep source' is deprecated...)or trying to source a file (EOL missing). I thought it's time to shift gears and move up. :)ž
 
PS, I was going to tell you - it's possible to have two workspaces open at the same time, i.e. complete seperation between editors and consoles.
I haven't tried the debugging yet.
 
I'm all ears.
 
Or to be more precise - I tried it once and couldn't get it to work.
 
4:03 PM
It's not the "new" debug mode, it's the browser() mode I'm referring to.
Hehe, that's what happened to me, too. :)
 
Multiple workspaces: simply open two instances of Eclipse, each with its own workspace file.
The downside - you have to set up new run configurations for each workspace.
(Or so it seems - perhaps there's a way of sharing run configurations.)
Remind me why you don't run the RJ terminal?
 
snowfall functions don't work with the RJ console.
 
Ah.
 
But I love the line completion of RJ.
 
@RomanLuštrik use Emacs, like a proper programmer! =P
console works all the time =)
 
4:08 PM
Eclipse is like Emacs, except it's pretty(er). :)
 
@RomanLuštrik You also get to inspect values of variables, see the help files, etc. directly in the editor window with RJ
 
@aL3xa is it finally checked for Windows 7 yet?
 
@RomanLuštrik yeah, right...
 
@aL3xa will run hiding if you mention Microsoft products around here, so be warned! :)
 
@JorisMeys dunno, I'm not using Win =)
 
4:10 PM
He's dreading the greedy corporation, but loves cheap Taiwanese RAM. :)
 
@RomanLuštrik @RomanLuštrik not run & hide, more like, spit and mire...
@RomanLuštrik yeah, taiwan is a nice country... china also... especially if you don't live there, but only buy their PC components
RAM blocks and stuff...
 
Hard drive prices went through the roof, I hear.
 
maybe for SSDs
 
What's the command that outputs a sample of your object and comments it so that you can copy/paste it into your code as a comment or some other document?
 
4:59 PM
He's calling some functions from github and when the function exits, he loses the function - does that sound what the problem is here? stackoverflow.com/questions/8229859/…
 
yep
whats the right SE site for web design qs?
 
 
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9:36 PM
From the top of anyone's head, how does snowfall handle load balance?
 
@RomanLuštrik It's described in ?clusterApplyLB
 
That's for snow, I was wondering what the case is in snowfall. Never mind, I'll dig into the docs as soon as I prepare some code. I'm giving a presentation on parallel computing on desktop computers.
 
snowfall just uses snow, but with a pretty wrapper
sfClusterApplyLB just calls clusterApplyLB
 
Thanks, just what the doc ordered.
 
 
1 hour later…
11:03 PM
@Spacedman I would think either ux.SE or webmasters.SE would be possibilities
 

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