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12:16 AM
Telemetry 3 is officially out! http://www.radgametools.com/telemetry/features.html (still sulking because we didn't go for "Telemethree").
 
@Aaron3468 So as of yesterday I have it down to ~80 files. Through several incremental changes, I managed to forward-commit the 9/5 snapshot to pick up all the renaming refactors. This eliminated ~200 of the file diffs. All those incremental snapshots passed without errors. At the same time, I reverse-committed the 9/9 snapshot and removed about ~80 of the file diffs. All those snapshots consistently failed. So far, I've observed no more shifts in stability.
Those remaining 80 files are part of the API refactor of the smart pointer interface. So I did a manual inspection of them and found 4 errors. Those errors were causing a memory over-allocation by a factor of 4 to 32. (I forgot to divide by sizeof() in a few places.) So I patched that into trunk this morning and ran it through the day. Only one of the two AVX2 binaries failed. In the past, they would either both pass, or both fail within an hour.
 
@Mysticial No tests? tsk tsk tsk :P
 
@Borgleader These are all tests. In fact, it's only the unit tests that are failing. The rest of the program runs perfectly.
Prior to the smart pointer refactor, the allocation sizes were all correct. The old interface took the # of bytes as the size. The new interface takes the object type as a template parameter and the # of objects as the size. So in the refactoring, I forgot to divide by sizeof(type) in 4 different places. 2 of these are relevant to the failed tests. And now I have 2 data-points that suggest this affects stability.
Of course over-allocation doesn't affect correctness. It just wastes memory. So that's why I didn't catch it during the refactor itself.
 
But theres something left though right? Cuz one of the binaries still failed?
 
@Borgleader The symptoms so far have been pointing at some sort of memory instability as a result of either hardware, environment, or UB. As much as I'd want to believe that there's only one cause, that's impossible to rule out. And based on how consistently I can repro the problem between two different snapshots of the code strongly suggests that it's either directly a bug in the program, or something in the program is interacting with the environment.
The problem is that the smart pointer factor touches 80 files. And half of those are the unit tests. So if I incrementally forward-commit the known good snapshot (9/5) to pick up the refactor, and the refactor is somehow related to the instability, then I'm entering a territory where the stability is no longer a clear pass/fail.
When the tests fail, they fail in a random test. And the tests cover the 40+ files that use smart pointers. So if I undo 20 of the files that switched to the new smart pointer, then that will cut the probability of failure by 50%. (assuming, the new smart pointer is related to the instability)
 
12:31 AM
With respect to future plans for variant types in C++:. I'm not sure I'm going to want to write code in this language anymore... #cppcon
 
If the new smart pointer is the cause (either directly or indirectly), I still don't see how it can possibly work. The new smart pointer isn't complicated or anything. It's just a stupid wrapper over an aligned malloc. Even when I replace my aligned malloc with Intel's aligned malloc, the failures are still there.
So if it is a bug in the code, I'm overlooking something. I'll be binary searching the final 80 files. But if the stability gap disappears gradually (rather than suddenly over one bad line of code), then it'll be very difficult to pin-point the error, since the clear-cut "pass 8 hours or fail under 1 hour" won't be the case anymore.
 
what are lvariants?
 
12:56 AM
@TrevorHickey forgot to turn on :spell in vim?
 
turn on very magic just to be sure, too
 
gah, just realized my program shouldn't be working at all :S
 
user1804599
Try functional programming.
 
in fact it's impossible that it works correctly
yet it does
anyone here familiar with openmp?
what happens in openmp when a function is called inside a parallel region, and the function argument is private to each thread?
damn, my code was crashing a minute ago. same code now doesn't crash!
 
1:30 AM
lol
 
yeah, lol -.- xD
 
2:03 AM
I quickly went over the notes for Julia 0.5 and it looks like it managed to be iconoclast and useful at the same time, once again. and this is completely silly.
of note is that it’s the third language after C++ and Rust that I know of which chooses to give singleton types to functions/closures
…kinda, since it’s formally dynamically-typed (here it is again: iconoclast but useful)
 
@Borgleader shit opinion
 
2:23 AM
I felt that the text on this had some relevance to what you said
 
 
2 hours later…
4:05 AM
Bwah.
I'm watching this silent film
and I'm in t e a r s
 
 
1 hour later…
5:06 AM
it's okay you haven't gone deaf
it's just the film doesn't have any sound, see
 
5:34 AM
@Mysticial It's funny because code generators are pretty common in a C# environment, especially for GUI code and DB access code.
 
@jaggedSpire qq
 
5:55 AM
> it’s amazing how many times I’ve seen people not being able answer simple questions about their programs such as “how long does this function actually take to run?”
That's not a simple question imo.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:22 AM
@Borgleader noob
 
7:35 AM
Good morning to you too
 
7:46 AM
As they call it in Dutch: a dumb film
(dumb and mute are homonyms here)
 
Ven
helo
@rightfold ask for a refund!
 
8:08 AM
@fredoverflow vi so serious?
 
now this is just the awk ward
 
Damn you nerds! :D
 
Just perls of wisdom, tcl your fancy
 
8:29 AM
"moot" as a noun means "not worth discussing", but as a verb means "bring up for discussion".
 
@sehe I didn't want to touch that one
@R.MartinhoFernandes what really? never knew it had that meaning as a verb
 
8:47 AM
 adjective: moot

    1.
    subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty.
    "whether the temperature rise was mainly due to the greenhouse effect was a moot point"
    2.
    having little or no practical relevance.
    "the whole matter is becoming increasingly moot"
it's its own antonym?
 
Ell
Whoops, accidentally set up an "open with" loop with Firefox
 
@thecoshman talk to the hand, finger is obsolete
@ratchetfreak yes, it clearly is not
Something is moot if it cannot be usefully discussed (either because it's unknowable or because it's knowable but irrelevant)
 
@thecoshman Also WTF, I meant s/as a noun/as an adjective/
 
I didn't want to moot that point.
 
@thecoshman As a noun it means a "gathering for discussion", which is where the verb meaning comes from.
As in the Entmoot or kingsmoot.
 
9:01 AM
can you have a moot moot?
 
No, but you can moot it.
std::moot doesn't moot
Right. So, can you provide some working SSCCE? Because that'll be very simple in that case. We're not going to make up some "random" data in some unknown format just in the hopes of maybe reproducing your issue. If you suspect it's about cleanup, ask your debugger, simplify/reduce the code until the problem stops manifesting (so you know what the cause is) — sehe 1 min ago
Representative line of his code: cout<<"fucl chhoth"<<endl;
 
user1804599
9:17 AM
Ik heb trek ik een banaan met jus en een hamburger met paardenworst en jus d'orange.
 
Ven
 
The C++ standard needs an ABI stability policy. Not "an ABI", not a "common ABI", not a "standard ABI", etc. No, just a stability policy. A statement that std::exception_ptr will not change layout ever.
 
Ven
Compte là-dessus et bois de l'eau.
 
Actually, that'd make a good tweet.
The C++ std needs an ABI stability policy. Not a "standard ABI"; just a stability policy; a promise that exception_ptr won't change layout.
 
@Ven "nous voulons 2 millions de dollars en ptites coupures usagées"
 
9:28 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes isn't that going to eventually lead to pimpl in std?
 
@ratchetfreak No. Only if you make things stable that require pimpl.
exception_ptr is type-erased already. It already is pimpl.
@ratchetfreak Note that I didn't say the standard should make all types ABI-stable.
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes by that logic one could demand std::function to be ABI-stable, which would be super powerful
 
@nwp std::function doesn't have pointer-like semantics, though.
It allows SBO implementations; exception_ptr has (shared) pointer semantics, which means it cannot be implemented with SBO.
(At least not without extreme, counter-productive, gymnastics)
There is a small number of types in the standard that by being ABI-stable would give tremendous benefit for little to no cost.
exception_ptr and string_view come to mind.
They both have type-erased shared- or no-ownership reference semantics. I'm not sure if that's a sufficient set of criteria for being one such type, but it is necessary.
 
Xeo
9:45 AM
what about shared_ptr itself?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why would you need a specific layout of exception_ptr ?
 
@Abyx I don't need a specific one. I just need it to be the only one.
 
ok, stable layout
why
 
because then exceptions can be enabled without having to recompile all libs whenever the compiler version updates
 
so it's only about recompiling?
 
9:49 AM
and/or about dynamic linking
 
Xeo
which is, arguably, the actually important part
 
I presume basically all issues you encounter when ABI changes of things that you didn't expect to change
 
I would understand if ABI would be used for interop with other languages, or different C++ compilers, but compiling times? meh
 
There are things that can't be recompiled.
Maybe you don't have the source code.
My concern is mostly about not making C++next another language.
I could be argued that s/The C++ std/C++ standard library implementations/, but the point still stands.
Though I feel it's a lost cause and hourglass design is the only sane C++ ABI design.
 
Where is the puppy with his wide language
 
nwp
10:03 AM
no short integer literals for me :(
 
IMO all attempts to improve c++ are futile
 
Hourglass is kinda painful without code-generation, but AFAIK all code generators out there generate shit C++ interfaces anyway.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes hourglass design?
 
nwp
I have an expression like a << 8 | b and wasn't sure about the operator precedence and looked it up. Do I add parentheses to make it clear for future readers or should I expect people to not be bad?
 
10:10 AM
always add parens in doubt
 
@Ell Basically you wrap your C++ code in a C ABI, and then again wrap that in a C++ API. You get to use C++ on both ends, while keeping a stable ABI, but you also get to write your interfaces three times with all the glue associated.
The C ABI is the boundary at which you split dynamic libraries.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and 2 glue layers
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes might be possible with reflection
or code generation as in CEF (chromium embedded)
 
nwp
I feel like uint8_t a, b; uint16_t c = (a << 8) | b; should not warn about loss of precision when converting from int to uint16_t.
 
hahaha
 
10:15 AM
@Abyx given an interface make a C api from it that mirrors it and a C++ shim that uses the C api?
 
have fun dealing with integer promotion
 
I feel like a significant portion of that code can be generated, but it might need custom attributes.
(When are we getting custom attributes?)
 
in 2x
or 2y or 2z
 
Actually curious if there are any objections, or if it's just something that was missed.
 
I bet we'll be writing in Rust3 by then
 
10:18 AM
IMO custom attributes need not be more than struct definitions.
[[attribute]] struct my_attribute {};, done.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but you need reflection first
 
@Abyx Not really. You just need the compiler to compile this:
namespace ns {
    [[attribute]] struct my_attribute {};
}
[[ns::my_attribute]]
void f() {};
(Might be useful to tag where it can be used and so on, maybe as args to attribute, but the interface is just bikeshedding)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok, and how it would be used?
 
@Abyx There's a use included there already.
External tools can already use it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how it is different from a comment?
 
10:21 AM
Reflection enables the use from inside the program itself, but that's secondary.
 
/* [[my_attribute]] */ void f() {}
 
nwp
You just want the compiler to ignore your attributes? You can already use #pragma my_attribute for that.
 
C# style attributes would be neat-o
[[ns::foo(1, 2, 3)]] struct thing;
 
@Abyx That applies for any attribute, built-in or otherwise.
> Any attribute-token that is not recognized by the implementation is ignored.
 
@nwp you know a simpler way to make compiler ignore your attributes? Just prepend them with //
 
10:23 AM
Honestly I wish we had more compile time introspection features from D.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes built-in attributes actually affect code, e.g. noreturn. Yours have no effect
I don't see difference between checking syntax in C++ compiler or in that external tool which consumes the attribute
 
nwp
@milleniumbug but the goal was that external tools can recognize them, and pattern matching on arbitrary comments seems worse then #pragma
 
I'm on stackoverflow to help. Personal assistance off-site amounts to unpaid consultancy. That will benefit no one else but you. Besides, your supervisors might not agree. — sehe 8 secs ago
 
@Abyx noreturn is actually the odd-one out here, and attributes are generally meant to have no effect on code (for some definition of effect; affecting code generation? ok; changing which programs are accepted? not ok).
 
I should be able to do stuff within the language not only with an external tool :v
 
10:26 AM
Boo :)
 
Compile time reflection please :(
 
Also the reason why alignas isn't an [[attribute]].
 
I find it kinda wrong. I thought [[attribute]] was going to be a standard syntax for __attribute__
 
I'm not sure I disagree with that.
But given that they're meant to be ignorable, attaching semantic value to them seems like a dangerous path.
And actually, nevermind. We already have custom attributes.
 
how do we have custom attributes
you need to extend the compiler for them
 
10:31 AM
Just write whatever you want inside [[]]
 
oh you meant in that regard
 
anyways C++ is a lost cause. I'm dreaming how I would be writing in a sane language like Go 3 or Rust 4
 
they don't actually do anything then
 
@Rapptz They're meant to not do anything.
C# attributes don't actually do anything either, btw.
 
No moar rules message? :/
 
10:32 AM
C# attributes can be retrieved and used
 
Morning
 
hi
 
@Rapptz But they don't actually do anything. They just tag stuff.
 
yea
 
You need something external to attributes to do stuff.
 
10:33 AM
mozilla would rewrite FF in Rust and I'd be working on that beautiful code instead of that crappy C++ of chromium
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, and disable warnings. Pretty sure compilers are whiny bitches about this.
 
@Abyx aren't they slowly working on that?
 
@Xeo Not sure. Can't it be one or two pointers?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess, as a quick-access to the correctly-typed pointer without going through a virtual function call?
template<class... Ts>
bool IsAnyActive(Ts... _types) const
{
    return (IsActive(_types) || ... || false);
}
I want dis
 
But it cannot be ABI-fied with a wrapper, so I dunno.
It's definitely a useful vocabulary type.
(string_view, for example, is trivial to convert to an ABI-friendly type).
I guess that's another important distinction. Some types can be trivially converted to an ABI-friendly representation, while others can't.
 
Xeo
10:50 AM
Like, could unique_ptr have one? It's directly owning, but the implementation seems trivial to me - for the same Deleter, it should always have the same layout, or not?
 
Well, shared_ptr can be marshalled easily with T* get(); void release(T*);, but that's basically hourglass.
@Xeo I think unique_ptr is a clear-cut case, yes.
Only Hell++ would have a different implementation.
^ good litmus test.
 
shared ptr can be pimpl'ed
 
What happens according to the standard if an exception rises above main?
 
std::terminate is called.
 
It calls some generic exception handler right?
Oh right.
Thanks.
 
10:52 AM
@ratchetfreak But that forces an implementation that the standard currently doesn't.
Well, it's not like it forces one for unique_ptr, but as I said, only Hell++ would do it differently.
The only differences in unique_ptr implementation layout will essentially be T* ptr; Deleter del; vs Deleter del; T* ptr;.
 
Xeo
I think shared_ptr is the same, honestly. Every lib should have the quick-path to the correctly-typed pointer. That may be forcing it from the standard-side, but it's just so... useful and I think universally implemented that way anyways?
Not sure, I'd have to check.
 
and in shared_ptr the layout of the little refcount struct (at least 5 members)
 
Xeo
@ratchetfreak The layout of that thing is irrelevant.
That's the pimpl part.
 
@Xeo I could see that being the case. I'm just not sure, so I didn't want to make a definite statement.
 
Xeo
The only question is whether it's control_block_interface* control_block; or control_block_interface* control_block; T* pointer;
 
10:56 AM
Right.
 
Xeo
The second is technically an optimisation
but it's so easy and worth it, I think you could expect it to be used everywhere.
Is what I hope, anyways.
 
Forcing it to be stable would be bad for implementations that didn't do it.
 
@Xeo not really it helps with the aliasing constructor
 
@Xeo Waaaaaait.
What ratchet said.
You need the pointer anyway.
 
so the control_block_interface only needs to know about the owned object, the refcounts and its deleter
 
Xeo
10:58 AM
@ratchetfreak Still an optimization, technically. You can get it through the control block too (just needs an extra virtual function, no?)
 
@Xeo No, you don't, because it differs from shared_ptr to shared_ptr.
 
but that requires an extra allocation
 
Even for shared_ptrs in the same family.
 
Ben
 
Consider shared_ptr(some_shared_ptr, &whatever).
One control block, two pointers.
 
Xeo
10:59 AM
Oh hm, right.
 
So yeah, settled.
Order is the only question, and that's arbitrary.
 
Xeo
Oooh, I remember STL talking about this one now.
He mentioned it in I think a Going Native talk
 
The ultimate solution, though, is to have namespace std::abi with types that mirror the ones in std but with stable ABIs. Add in conversions that steal guts from one to the other.
Nah, doesn't solve everything.
 
Xeo
(I wonder if Hell++ would get away with a chained control block thing here, where the aliased pointer is put into a control block, and that one references the main control block.)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wouldn't empty base optimisation kind of make it so there are two ways to implement?
 
Xeo
11:03 AM
Can't be arsed to think that one through right now.
 
Most implementations use std::tuple for that EBO.
 
Can't convert std::vector& to std::abi::vector& unless they're aliases.
 
Instead of the (imo) more obvious Deleter deleter; Pointer ptr; layout
 
Yeah, EBO is annoying
Rust just generalized that optimization by allowing members to be empty anywhere.
@Xeo Hell++ already has the machinery needed to implement this.
I don't remember what for, but Hell++ can already attach supplementary data to objects that lives outside of them.
Assuming not trivially copyable, etc.
So sizeof(shared_ptr<T>) is 1 in Hell++.
(Pointer size is 329)
 
Xeo
lol
 
11:11 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes on a good day
@Ben you mean, you made a copy/paste machine? (what dictionary limitations are there? what controls the melody or pitch?)
 
Basically Hell++ keeps a global map from this pointers to JSON documents.
 
Ben
@sehe hehe, pretty much.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes YAML, on some platforms
 
Ben
@sehe although I plan to extend it further, perhaps like adding pitch control, and supporting different input and output audio formats.
 
If you're the implementer you can make every non-trivially copyable type empty and store stuff in the JSON
 
11:15 AM
@Ben formats should be existing code. Just support only raw PCM
 
@Ben is that a voice synthesizer or what
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Reminds me of esolangs.org/wiki/Hello
@milleniumbug Yes, it is not
 
Maybe one day this will be the dream :')
 
Ben
@milleniumbug yes, sort of. It was inspired by an Flash application created by a Finnish (I think) radio station, which did the same thing.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes with a sufficiently large CHAR_BIT you could have that as well
 
user1804599
11:18 AM
sufficiently sufficient sufficiency suffices
 
Ben
oh, is there a machine learning system which extracts lyrics from songs across the Internet, and compiles them together into a dictionary?
Because that could be an interesting project.
and then, you could improve speech recognition.
 
@Rapptz with concepts you could even have different algorithms for different types of containers
like merge sort for linked lists
 
user1804599
@Ven and you should watch this one youtube.com/watch?v=Or_yKiI3Ha4
 
Ven
lol
 
Ben
singletons are fine.
 
Ven
11:30 AM
lol global variables
no they're not
 
user1804599
Immutable singletons are nice if you have a stateless implementation of an interface.
 
singletons are literally Hitler
 
Ven
Immutable singletons are "constants"
you don't need another name as silly as "immutable singletons" to mean "constants".
 
user1804599
heil singletons!
 
@rightfold still doesn't work well in tests
 
11:32 AM
shingletones
 
user1804599
Learn ATS with me @sehe
 
last time I tried a singleton it was a singleton of dufftown 12 y.o. and it was kinda average
 
Ven
@rightfold have you seen that? kmett is doing some C++ :D
 
Ben
And the next question: things a C++ developer would never say.
 
@Ben j**a
 
Ven
11:34 AM
> ~15 years ago I did the same for FFT constants. Back then I had to model IEEE-754 w/ int via template meta programming. Progress!
 
user1804599
@Ven wtf where did his beard and long hair go
 
Ven
@Ben "I like C++"
Here is the single thing no C++ developer would say.
> namespace framework {
lolnice
 
I'm stuck
 
Ben
@JohanLarsson no, that's for a different category.
 
user1804599
try functional programming
 
11:36 AM
Opening a file from local disk with # in the path works but from network drive does not
 
I'm with Joachim here. — sehe 1 min ago
Just for the record. This also happens
 
xor     r8d, r8d
xor     r9d, r9d
call    _ZN5boost6detail7variant15visitation_implIN4mpl_4int_ILi0EEENS1_20visitation_impl_stepINS_3mpl6l_iterINS7_6l_itemINS3_5long_ILl2EEEN6events9connectedENS9_INSA_ILl1EEENSC_12disconnectedENS7_5l_endEEEEEEENS8_ISG_EEEENS1_14invoke_visitorINS1_15result_wrapper1IZZN10event_sinkC1EvENKUlRKNS_7variantISD_JSF_EEEE_clESS_EUlRKT_E_SR_EEEEPKvNSQ_18has_fallback_type_EEENT1_11result_typeEiiRS13_T2_NS3_5bool_ILb0EEET3_PSU_PT0_
mov     ebx, eax
mov     rax, qword ptr [rsp + 64]
why hello there name mangling
 
user1804599
c++filt
 
Ven
@PatrickM'Bongo hello templates my old friend
 
Ben
11:48 AM
I (admittedly) laughed a little at this question: productivity.stackexchange.com/questions/9373/…
 
@Ben I do see myself in there
I have 2 personal projects I started in the last month that I barely touched with no more than 4 days of work done on them between them
 
Ben
@ratchetfreak when you're unsure of the extent of your procrastination, that's when you should be concerned.
 
nwp
12:03 PM
@Ben 100% procrastination, 0% work, no need to be concerned
 
what's worse is that I know what the next step on both of them should be
 
Ben
@ratchetfreak what's holding you back?
 
pure lazyness
though on one project I need to get llvm jit started
and slot it into my build.bat style build system
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes do you happen to know where this is?
 
@nwp At the cbase. Rungestraße.
 
nwp
12:10 PM
oh, I thought it would be at the Here company place
thanks
 
@nwp Oh wait.
Maybe it changed.
I'll check. The organizer is my boss.
It's usually at the cbase, so I didn't even look at the text.
 
and a later step in that project is getting a nightmarish build system running for validation of my implementation
 
lol, I thinking of going today and didn't even check. I'd just show up at cbase like an idiot.
@nwp You can see the address if you login and join the group.
Or just google it ;)
 
nwp
"Here" must be one of the worst company names ever. Even worse than expert sexchange.
 
So yeah, it's at the HERE offices.
 
12:19 PM
From Software, no?
 
nwp
@Abyx yeah, that one too
there is probably a point to having an unsearchable company name that I have not discovered
 
Xeo
Hm, I may have killed coliru or something.
 
I just typed "here berlin" into Google and it worked.
 
nwp
@Xeo down for me too
 
Xeo
welp
 
nwp
12:22 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes the duck is not that smart, it just ignores the word "here"
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked sorry
 
@nwp The duck sucks.
As much as I dislike Google, they do search well.
 
Xeo
ah, it's back
kinda
 
nwp
Gah, I knew global statics were a bad idea, but I did it anyways. Static initialization order fiasco did not magically disappear :(
 
user1804599
loser
 
nwp
12:36 PM
and the fix involves a magic static which involves a lock for every access even though it is a single threaded application
I'm doing something wrong.
 
user1804599
No, the fix involves deleting the static variable and fixing all the type errors.
 
Ven
^
 
user1804599
 
@Rapptz eh actually GCC 6.1 (maybe 6.1.1? I forget) actually does kinda do that, save maybe for the third report
 
12:47 PM
@rightfold very similar stuff
 
user1804599
XD
 
user1804599
I'm a genious
 
Xeo
@nwp put the static inside a function :P
 
nwp
@Xeo yeah, thats what I did
 
Xeo
12:52 PM
and then you impose a dependency order through usage
 
nwp
hence the complaint about locks
 
It's an atomic CAS at most, and can easily be mitigated if you really really need to.
auto&& x = get_magic_static_x();?
That goes back to globals and only does CAS on startup.
 
nwp
assuming you use x instead of get_magic_static_x from then on
 
Compilation firewalls can ensure that.
I don't think it's worth the effort, though.
 
nwp
It isn't, performance is not an issue.
 
12:57 PM
Even if it was.
 
nwp
It just bothers me that I unintendedly expressed something I didn't mean to.
 
user1804599
fucking hell
 
user1804599
it's almost October and there's a wasp in the kitchen
 
user1804599
that little fucker is super weak though
 
IMO namespace ns { namespace detail { T& get_magic_static_X(); } auto&& x = detail::get_magic_static_x(); } is enough safety.
 
user1804599
12:58 PM
he can't even fly
 
Anything more than that is wasted effort.
 
user1804599
fuck all wasps
 
@nwp No, you didn't.
 

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