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12:17 AM
Ah I guess I came in at the wrong time
ello
bye
 
So the graphs are there, but they're a little... smushed. ;;
 
1:22 AM
@ThePhD Smush my graph.
 
 
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3:02 AM
Barcharts with the samples scattered throughout. Starting to look decently spiffy.
 
Old news, but that's the reason why I will leave risky new technologies, such as self driving cars to the brave folks
 
3:31 AM
With that said, Elon Musk is still my favourite entrepreneur.
 
3:49 AM
I was sleeping and youtube was still playing. Woke up and heard this. Thought it was the original version first. But then the mama part made me laugh out loud in my bed.
 
Rock Sugar would kickstart your rhapsody
 
there is not home-work tag ...
 
@EtiennedeMartel Heh, why would the nurse need alerts for something she needs to daily.
 
4:50 AM
that, you have to ask the lecturer who gave out the assignment ...
 
And now, mean error bars!
I think that's it. Albeit, the sampling points themselves are a tad bright, so I might reduce their opacity further.
 
5:23 AM
wtf lol
 
what is an error bar?
 
5:38 AM
Error bars are a graphical representation of the variability of data and are used on graphs to indicate the error, or uncertainty in a reported measurement. They give a general idea of how precise a measurement is, or conversely, how far from the reported value the true (error free) value might be. Error bars often represent one standard deviation of uncertainty, one standard error, or a certain confidence interval (e.g., a 95% interval). These quantities are not the same and so the measure selected should be stated explicitly in the graph or supporting text. Error bars can be used to compa...
 
Interesting.
Never took a statistics class myself :)
 
I want to never look at statistics again after this summer.
 
Good :D
You can look at anime instead.
 
So I wrote a small program to strip out line # annotations in my compiler's assembly output to make it more readable.
It takes 16 seconds to process a 200 MB .asm file. Which is really slow.
When I pulled it up in VTune... Guess what I saw?
 
std::cout throttling everything?
 
5:50 AM
close
 
Seems like a One Piece filler ep lol.
 
iostream formatting, memory allocations, and mutexes all over the place. Yes, mutexes.
So I did away with that and hand-rolled my own thing, 5x faster.
Fuck iostreams.
 
6:12 AM
@Mysticial People expect stream outputs to be safe by default.
So there have to mutexes everywhere.
I mean, it's still shitty.
But again, iostreams are kind of a pretty good case study for feature creep.
"We need to read bytes" "We need to read text" "We need to read text localized on the current machine" "We need it to write out properly when hit from multiple threads" ...
 
At least on Linux, a (mostly) uncontended mutex isn't much slower than atomics.
 
The file reader that I already have isn't meant for large files. It uses a read buffer of 256 bytes. And it shows up at the top of the profile. But even with that, it runs in like 3 seconds.
 
That's a tiny read buffer.
 
I wrote it to read small text files. (a few hundred KB at most)
The buffer is on the stack, so I didn't want to make it large.
 
You could probably set the read buffer to... well, a few hundred kb, and have it just put the whole thing in memo- oooh, stack-allocated.
 
6:17 AM
But even that is "good enough".
 
Welp
 
The Intel Compiler outputs assembly that looks like this:
$LN503754:
        vpand     ymm10, ymm7, YMMWORD PTR [r15]                ;218.5
$LN503755:
        vpsubq    ymm3, ymm4, ymm1                              ;33.5
$LN503756:
        vpshufd   ymm4, ymm13, 177                              ;42.5
$LN503757:
        vpaddq    ymm2, ymm12, ymm10                            ;219.5
$LN503758:
        vpaddd    ymm12, ymm13, ymm4                            ;42.5
$LN503759:
        vpshufd   ymm4, ymm14, 177                              ;42.5
$LN503760:
        vpmuludq  ymm10, ymm1, YMMWORD PTR [32+r15]             ;47.5
And it pisses me off.
MSVC's assembly is even uglier. They don't bother to align the registers.
 
@Borgleader ^ We now serve up hot, kinky images with the CSV files, so now it's easier to read the lua benchmarking results.
 
6:46 AM
@ThePhD Why all the trailing zeroes?
 
7:30 AM
@Bassie Wow.
 
7:59 AM
@Mysticial I have just noticed this list and I agree.
 
user1804599
NB is my favorite comment starter
 
user1804599
J FTW
 
> You're not a real developer if you've never left an apology comment for the next person! :P
 
:)
 
@Morwenn Herzlich tut mich verlangen? TIL Brahms was an Emo.
@Bassie Numberphil2 is rather pointless, isn't it?
 
user1804599
8:15 AM
@fredoverflow no, iTS Nice
 
user1804599
I like it
 
But there's barely any videos there.
 
user1804599
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
Not even one per week.
 
user1804599
Да
 
8:17 AM
I'm specifically talking about the second Numberphile channel, not the first.
 
user1804599
I want to acquire knowledge
 
The one with the "Extras" and the "Bonus" stuff.
 
user1804599
I'm gonna rewrite my parser a little bit
 
user1804599
Refactor things into functions
 
> how to solve it with C# - by writing some...
:D
 
user1804599
8:19 AM
And implement compression and encryption
 
@Bassie Things?
 
user1804599
Right now it's one big function
 
user1804599
A fuckton, so to speak
 
I think I have a new addiction.
 
@Bassie I generalized Parker's blooper, now you can try it with different values than 2 if you like:
#include <math.h>
#include <stdio.h>

void parker_fun(double x)
{
    printf("sqrt(%f)^2 = %f\n\nROFLMAO!!!\n", x, sqrt(x) * x * 11);
}

int main()
{
    parker_fun(2);
    return 0;
}
 
8:21 AM
I am addicted to converting random texts into PDFs.
...using Markdown and Pandoc and LaTeX.
 
user1804599
Also, I should use buffered I/O
 
user1804599
But that's super easy, because this I/O library is well-designed
 
Did you design it?
 
user1804599
No.
 
user1804599
Pike and Thompson did
 
user1804599
8:26 AM
All I have to do is r := bufio.NewReader(conn) and swap out the existing uses of conn for r.
 
Do you miss Generics?
 
user1804599
No
 
So no major roadblocks in Go for you?
 
user1804599
Nope
 
user1804599
Yeah, GOPATH, but I figured a workaround recently
 
user1804599
8:28 AM
With the magic of Bash
 
Go bashing
 
user1804599
99% of generics I need are for arrays and hash tables, and Go has them built-in
 
> Please answer as soon as you can because I would like to finish and work on other things.
lol
 
user1804599
The other 1% is solved with dynamic typing OH NO NOT THE CASTS
 
user1804599
Really CBA
 
8:31 AM
@Bassie like D, nice trick :)
 
don't you love it when the huge logic error you made in the code only manifested in a minor bug?
 
user1804599
err := io.ReadFull(conn, entry.LogID[:])
	if err != nil {
		return nil, err
	}
 
So I gave a code review for C++ but I don't actually know C++. Is anyone willing to review the review quickly just in case there's awful advice included? codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/133740/…
 
user1804599
This is rad
 
Yo dawg, I herd you like reviews...
 
user1804599
8:33 AM
An I/O library that allows abstractions to be written for it
 
I was reading some old code I had written and I thought to myself 'omg I could not have sucked so much', but I did ...
 
How old was it? Last week?
 
user1804599
Such a thing didn't exist until like 2009
 
a few year ago :(
when I don't suppose to suck
 
Good, so it means you learned a lot during the last few years.
 
user1804599
8:34 AM
I did
 
@RyanO'Hara Why would you do that?
 
user1804599
I learned all sorts of stuff, like functional programming
 
@wilx By accident
 
I mean if it was 10 years I could forgive myself for being new and naive
 
I will only review your review if somebody promises to review my review of your review.
 
8:35 AM
Can that somebody be me?
 
@RyanO'Hara How does such accident happen? It sounds like the kind of accident when I fell on you wife and my penis slipped into her vagina and then continued to do so for next 10 minutes.
 
user1804599
I'm working on a programming language again
 
user1804599
I call it Sapling
 
What's revolutionary about it?
 
user1804599
It type checks your SQL queries
 
user1804599
8:37 AM
Not half assed runtime SQL generation, actual SQL
 
user1804599
Nothing is more expressive for querying relational databases than SQL is
 
So... C# 3.0? :)
 
user1804599
No, that's half-assed runtime SQL generation
 
user1804599
My language also has a single statement to create a searchable, sortable, paginated, lazy (AJAX) HTML table from a SQL query
 
user1804599
This feature I crave every day at work
 
user1804599
8:40 AM
Logging built-in
 
user1804599
Generate HTML forms from functions
 
Oh, I didn't know Matt Parker has his own channel.
 
user1804599
Math Parker
 
user1804599
Also YIL TABLE t is equivalent to SELECT * FROM t top kek
 
Can you somehow combine SQL with UML und become an Internet millionaire?
SQL + UML = SUQML
 
user1804599
8:48 AM
That would be an insult to the wonderful SQL programming language.
 
What is YIL TABLE
 
user1804599
Yesterday I learned
 
user1804599
TABLE is in a different font
 
Oh. Where are those equivalent?
Wow, standard SQL? TIL.
 
user1804599
In SQL
 
user1804599
8:51 AM
So in my language you can write DISPLAY TABLE TABLE users; lol
 
user1804599
I want to support all of the SQL query language
 
@wilx, sorry, where would I use std::move?
 
user1804599
Not the DDL
 
@RyanO'Hara If you pass arguments by value then you can move from the argument into the member.
 
@Bassie What else can you display apart from TABLEs?
 
user1804599
8:52 AM
DISPLAY PARAGRAPH "You wouldn't believe number 10!";
 
@wilx As in std::make_unique<A>(std::move(x))?
 
@RyanO'Hara Yes, probably.
 
user1804599
@wilx I don't plan to have kids
 
@RyanO'Hara If there is a constructor of type A(X) or A(X&&) (where X is the type of x, which you didn't tell us), then yes, given you don't care about x anymore.
 
@wilx Doesn't that still require whatever's passed as the argument to be copied as the argument, so at least as much copying as A const&, plus another copy if x doesn't support moving?
 
8:53 AM
@Bassie Well, how do you go about the M then?
 
user1804599
What is the M?
 
@Bassie Mother?
 
user1804599
I don't want to be a mother.
 
@RyanO'Hara If x doesn't support moving, std::move(x) is completely pointless.
 
@Bassie You wanted to be a MILF, IIRC.
 
user1804599
8:54 AM
Oh :P
 
When Bassie says MILF, he probably means "meta information language framework" or something.
 
@fredoverflow :D
 
@fredoverflow It's a template argument, so I don't know if it does. But if accepting const T& x is enough, is accepting T x and moving x ever an improvement?
(I will be adding another that accepts T&& x and moving it, FWIW)
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow all types that support copying support moving too
 
@RyanO'Hara If you pass to a function that takes const X&, then it makes zero difference if you std::move or not.
 
8:56 AM
Okay. Phew. My sanity is maintained. @wilx, what do you have to say for yourself
(only kidding; thanks for reviewing.)
 
@RyanO'Hara Have you thought about perfect forwarding instead of providing two overloads?
 
Is that with std::forward.
 
user1804599
Yes
 
I couldn't work that out and should probably have looked harder at the time
Ah okay it needs a <T>
 
user1804599
Use Rust
 
9:01 AM
Oh, it's not quite working. Hmm. "no known conversion from 'Thing' to 'Thing &&' for 1st argument" on the operator=.
 
user1804599
Never care about this bullshit again
 
@Bassie I'm just answering a question on CodeReview.SE
 
user1804599
RIP
 
Definitely would not be creating a TripleType for any reason otherwise
 
user1804599
cxx4fun syndrome
 
9:03 AM
Oh, it's because the type A isn't a template argument on the function, whoops.
 
user1804599
Imagine heavier objects fell faster
 
user1804599
You'd have a block of lead and it would fall with some acceleration. Cut it in half and it would fall more slowly lol
 
user1804599
It would be awesome
 
What size is normal
Does a grain of sand fall really slowly or does a rock fall really quickly
either way is pretty fun but I prefer slow sand
 
user1804599
They fall almost equally fast assuming a vacuum
 
9:07 AM
I mean in your imaginary physics from above
 
user1804599
The rock falls slightly faster because it attracts the earth more strongly
 
user1804599
@RyanO'Hara yin yang
 
@Bassie Not almost equally fast, exactly equally fast.
 
user1804599
@Puppy no
 
Ell
@Puppy what about gravity?
 
user1804599
9:17 AM
More massive objects attract the Earth more strongly
 
user1804599
So they fall faster
 
@Bassie Which, oddly enough, produces the exact same acceleration, since the force produces an acceleration dependent on their mass.
 
user1804599
No
 
@Ell Gravity is better modelled as an acceleration than a force (at least, ignoring relativity, in a vaccuum and such)
it produces the same acceleration for all objects regardless of mass
 
user1804599
Consider three objects: A 2kg, B 3kg, C 4kg. When A falls to C, it falls with an acceleration dependent on 4kg and 2kg. When B falls to C, it falls with an acceleration dependent on 4kg and 3kg. The latter is faster.
 
9:20 AM
nope
 
Ell
I think we should not ignore relativity just so you're wrong in this case :P
 
user1804599
Are you dumb?
 
the force produced by gravity is relative to the mass.
 
user1804599
Acceleration to Earth is faster than to Moon, agree?
 
user1804599
That's why you fall more slowly on the Moon.
 
9:20 AM
that's the other mass.
not the mass of the object you're hypothetically dropping.
 
user1804599
Both objects have mass and therefore a gravitational force
 
in this case you are dropping a rock and a feather which are both on the Earth, so the mass of the Earth is constant in both cases.
 
user1804599
When something falls to Earth, it also attracts Earth towards itself
 
Ell
Guys
 
user1804599
And the more massive it is, the faster it accelerates Earth towards itself
 
user1804599
9:22 AM
Earth isn't special.
 
Ell
149
Q: Don't heavier objects actually fall faster because they exert their own gravity?

ErikEThe common understanding is that, setting air resistance aside, all objects dropped to Earth fall at the same rate. This is often demonstrated through the thought experiment of cutting a large object in half, the halves of which clearly can't then fall more slowly just by being sliced in two. Ho...

 
> the inaccuracy introduced by ignoring the motion of the Earth is roughly one part in a trillion trillion, far beyond the sensitivity of any measuring device that exists (or can even be imagined) today
 
Ell
Hence "almost" ;)
 
we already ignored relativity which is a much bigger contributing factor
so it's pretty inconsistent to decide to keep this irrelevant and immeasurable factor but then throw out relativity.
 
Ell
Well, @Bassie never said he was ignoring anything
That is why he qualified his statement with "almost"
It was you that assumed to ignore various things
 
user1804599
9:25 AM
Even if I was, you could compare a moon to a feather
 
you could do that but then to arrive at a remotely correct result you would have to introduce relativity
 
user1804599
It's a significant mass difference
 
and I imagine that neither of us wants to actually perform relativistic calculations right now
 
user1804599
(Unless you use the Moon as the moon, which is oviously hollow and therefore not very massive.)
 
ISTR that the Moon is actually very massive for a moon
 
user1804599
9:26 AM
Lolno, it's almost empty
 
user1804599
It's hollow and there's nazi aliens in there
 
user1804599
Tides come from their invisible tractor beams.
 
uh huh
 
Ell
@Puppy I think you should admit defeat :P
There is no shame in that
 
nah
when it comes to modelling the observable behaviour of the real world, it's fine to drop things that are unobservably small.
f = ma isn't wrong because it doesn't include quantum effects.
 
Ell
9:29 AM
Whatever lets you sleep at night :P
 
user1804599
It's only unobservably small for sufficiently small differences in mass of the falling ibjexts
 
there are no sufficiently large objects that are actually falling.
conveniently the Moon is still in orbit.
 
user1804599
Black holes collided with each other a few light years away some time ago
 
user1804599
That was arguably a bilateral fall
 
well, let me just ask NASA to stick some accelerometers on them so we can measure the rate
 
user1804599
9:33 AM
They did observe gravitational waves
 
user1804599
Might have been your mom having rough lesbian sex with @Ell's though
 
unfortunately seems like we can't actually get much information from gravitational waves
 
user1804599
Their existence is pretty much a lot of info
 
user1804599
Can you surf on gravitational waves like you can surf on ocean waves?
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow you should try APL next
 
9:56 AM
@Puppy the Moon is unusually big but it's quite light.
Also, woot, woot, 2014 MU69 mission for New Horizons was approved.
 
what's that?
 
Kuiper Belt object.
They should name the fucker before 2019.
 
yeah, having it be referred to as 2014 MU69 is just a tad confusing
I'm like, did we invent time travel already? seems a bit late to be sending New Horizons on a mission in 2014
 
The systematic names start with the discovery year.
 
Suddenly ... a profound question hit me - why don't they experiment with a sustainable system (grass, chickens and worms etc) on the moon before having a manned mission to Mars?
 
10:05 AM
M means it was discovered in the second half of June, and the rest is a weird way of encoding the number 1745, as it was the 1745th discovered in that period.
 
Ell
they must discover a lot of these things eh
@Telkitty chickens aren't clever enough to fix the spaceship maybe :P
 
@Ell I am sure they wouldn't ask the chickens to build a sustainable system :p
 
10:23 AM
@fredoverflow Wasn't it a thing amongst rich people back then? :p
 
10:37 AM
Less than 84 hours of sun last month where I live. Sometimes the weather is overly shitty :(
 
 
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12:04 PM
@Ell they usually come by the thousands from telescopes like the Hubble. Point it somewhere, take a picture, BAM a thousand objects.
 
Ell
12:15 PM
I guess so
I always wonder how they don't know they're not photographing the same one twice
 
it's probably got something to do with that "physics" stuff where they move in a way that smart people can predict.
 
I have a brilliant idea! A reality TV show: chickens on the Moon!
Seriously people need to somewhat master the art of building sustainable eco systems before sending people to Mars ...
 
@Telkitty Haven't they done that already. There were experiments where people were closed inside some sort of station without any contact to the outside, simulating such situation.
IIRC they were able to live there for 3 (?) years.
 
with pre packed food?
 
@wilx If memory serves they're not finished yet
 
12:24 PM
 
well, growing veges and livestocks is VERY different on Mars than on earth
people land on mars can not always depend on the ship
especially with food, how large the ship is planned to be?
 
12:44 PM
3 messages moved to bin
 
12:56 PM
@wilx Because I need to do things like shift the scale of the scope based on the values.
Also:
SGDQ in ~3Hours, 30 Minutes~
 
Eh, I need std::invocation_type ._.
 
1:31 PM
invocation_type ...?
 
std::experimental::invocation_type from the library fundamentals TS.
It gives you the "signature" of the function that would be called by a call expression.
It helps to identify which overload is called at compile-time.
Oh, and I just bumped into a case where regular void would have helped.
 
Ven
hi
 
1:47 PM
Hey <3
 
Ven
hey you :3
 
What's up?
Hey, I finally managed to make the whole thing work without std::invocation_type and without regular void /o/
Took me a while.
 
Ven
finished my lisp, had a nice walk in the woods. today was nice
 
Woods are cool.
 
Ven
except morning ones
 
2:01 PM
lel
 
Ell
2:15 PM
Boy. Desert was a bad idea
 
Ven
too much sand?
 
too dry?
 
Ven
nice avatar, tel
 
Ell
Too much bread
 
Ell
Bread & butter pudding for desert but the portion was humongous
 
@Ven thanks ... it's the pink ribbon, isn't it ;)
 
Ven
aye :)
 
3:02 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Check this out.
 
3:39 PM
 
@Borgleader What I wish for.
 
My one week of vacation ends today, it was so short
 
Oh, goodness.
You were on vacation?
I had no idea.
 
Ven
I wish I could have vacations
 
@JohanLarsson Well, well, well. Looks interesting.
 
3:53 PM
Pretty clean implementation, no subclassing of controls.
Also pretty untested.
Could create nice shallow visual trees and still be maintainable
for stuff like propertygrids
I should maybe throw in an attached property for AutoIncrementation for UIElement providing a way to override for a single item.
That is one of the main pain points in wpf.
 
@Borgleader Me.
 
I'm looking at the code and I realize that I can't fucking wait for our VS2015 upgrade so I can finally start doing C# 6
 
oh, yeah C#6 is nice
And 7 will be even nicer, records are going to be so sweet
@EtiennedeMartel there is a nuget if you want to try it in earlier version
But maybe I built it vs 4.6, lemme check
 
Well, I can always try it at home.
 
builds with .net 4
no reason not to right?
I have a huge gap in the theory around all the version bs
 
4:09 PM
Versioning for .NET is... weird, to say the least.
 
> Progressive Bully Torments Transgender Students Using Their Preferred Pronoun
Wat headline ever.
 
@EtiennedeMartel nuget .net 4, takes a minute to index.
 
> A modern programming language should be modern
Shocking revelations.
 
> As you can see, I've ran out of steam. My butt hurts and I have better things to do... like delete dmd from my computer. At least that's simple and works!
 
4:44 PM
@EtiennedeMartel do you know if it is possible to use #pragma in xaml?
 
Correctly handling stabiity within container_aware_adapter will be horrible ç____ç
I can already see the 1k lines SFINAE monster approaching.
 
5:04 PM
@Morwenn Do the google thing: generate the code with python.
 
Ven
@fredoverflow I'm amazed at how they all stay so calm. It's like they're... adults or something
 
Ell
5:19 PM
I think my next PC will use integrated graphics
 
If you're not a gamer...
 
Ell
though I do want opencl
I wonder if AMD's Zen will support opencl
 
5:41 PM
hola
 
Ell
hola
 
Ell
5:57 PM
man
how do I always misspell dessert :V
 
he he me too
 
Ell
dessert to mean sounds like the s should be sharp
like
hissing
whereas one s is soft
like deserves
 
6:40 PM
de-cert
 
Ven
@jaggedSpire got any floofs?
 
Ven
7:09 PM
amazing.
 
user1804599
7:21 PM
I saw a red panda in the safari park today
 
:O
I am now jealous
 
user1804599
Go to NL
 
...how close did you get to this red panda?
 
user1804599
15 meters or so
 
pandapls
Also, panic, I have returned :D
 
7:25 PM
@Bassie ooooh
 
Ven
7:52 PM
You didn't see this coming? Scrap racial equality laws says Farage.... https://t.co/GHQuDB8PDM
hype?
 
nype
 
If I'm not mistaken, BREXIT was a reference vote or something, and therefore not binding, right?
They probably will leave, but they don't have to?
 
's called a referendum, and ignoring it would be political suicide
 
Ah
 
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