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12:00 AM
@Mysticial Sounds like me, although I'll be a little bit more specific I want them new uh protocols for SSDs NVMe or wtv, plugged into M2 slot or equivalent. as for graphics card I'll probably get the pascal equivalent of the GTX 670
 
and not using stringly-typed API with concatenating queries
 
32gb in a laptop
what a time to be alive
 
Why are there duplicates of OS utilities
 
@Borgleader I'm unsure of how high-end the graphics will be. SSD will be 250 - 500GB. HD will be 1TB+.
@Prismatic They exist. They're just kinda expensive.
 
@nabijaczleweli Emulating *nix environment on Windows?
 
12:02 AM
@Borgleader doesn't M.2 just give you SATA3, PCIe or USB3? So what's the benefit over just an PCIe SSD?
 
@milleniumbug kinda sorta not really though
 
@Mysticial do you do all your work on laptops?
 
Why is there mkGmpDerivedConstants.exe
 
@nick When I'm traveling, yes.
 
For future reference: Strawberries and chocolate do not mix.
 
12:03 AM
what? yeah they do
 
It should be said that real world HD performance depends on the controller. For example Intel RST Raid0 rarely goes above 500mbs, but a real raid controller will scale the speeds as expected. There are no real raid controllers for laptops.
 
havent you ever fondue'd before
 
@melak47 Well I said or equivalent :P AFAIK theres another thing besides M2 that gets you over the current SATA limit. And thats what I want. Its just I read an article in MaximumPC about an M2 drive, so thats what came to mind.
 
Even if I liked understood the language the front-end is unbearable and terribad
 
@Prismatic just googled "fondue" ... dear stroustrup my stomach just squirted
 
12:04 AM
@Mysticial Can't remember if I ever mentioned it before, but when my brother got his bachelor's degree, he wrote his thesis on the history of computing Pi to a million places. Back then, even a million places took on the order of weeks...
 
@Mikhail That's why I don't use RAID. I just JBOD controllers on PCIe. They get full bandwidth.
 
@Mysticial Does it work with Intel RST? Also how much bandwidth are we talking?
 
@DonLarynx Strawberries dipped in chocolate are awesome.
 
@JerryCoffin We've come a long way. 1 million digits is now faster than a blink.
 
@Mysticial It wasnt faster than a blink back then either it used to take weeks
:P
 
12:06 AM
@Mikhail What's RST? My two SATA/SAS cards are PCIe x8. I can max up all 8 HDs on each card easily. (> 1GB/s)
 
@Mysticial Intel RST is the intel integrated controller that comes with most desktop boards, laptops. Aka, not using a card. I have no problem getting correct scaling when using a real card.
 
@Mikhail From my experience, I've never been able to max that out either - at least not with hard drives at 120 MB/s. Even when I fill up every single port on the mobo with drives and run them to full capacity simultaneously, all drives sustain the bandwidth as if each were running alone.
 
@Nooble are you in any relation to this guy?
 
Fuck computer based robots
The future of robots will be with chemistry
They'll build biological robots
We are out of a job already
 
@Mysticial weird, I got it working with a MegaRaid chip, but this required a server mobo
 
12:10 AM
@Jefffrey Trust me: women are more fun.
 
@Jefffrey you mean c++ programmers?
 
@DonLarynx No, I mean biologist experts
 
@Jefffrey Biologists. Experts. Pick any one.
 
@milleniumbug Or use input validation
 
@JerryCoffin Why?
 
12:13 AM
@Jefffrey THEY TEK UR JERWBS
 
@DonLarynx Not a solution, unless you do white-listing
Query string concatenation is fundamentally wrong
 
@Jefffrey You'd probably have to ask a biology professor or something like that (if you could find one who could be trusted).
 
I don't understand
 
I don't understand
 
@Jefffrey Biologists, by and large, don't create anything. They just observe what's there, give names to existing species, argue over how much difference there has to be between X and Y for them to qualify as different species, etc.
 
12:17 AM
@JerryCoffin Yeah, because they have yet to discover a lot. Once they do, they'll fuck us all.
 
biomedical engineering, tissue regeneration, mapping neural pathways, limb augmentation
I cant wait
 
@Jefffrey They've been discovering (or at least looking at stuff) for centuries now. I'm not too worried about them suddenly starting to do things.
 
I can't wait for robots to take over all jobs
 
@Prismatic some future generation is going to get all that
 
So we can dedicate to art if we want to
 
12:19 AM
lucky sobs
we should ruin the planet so those jerks have to work hard too
 
@Jefffrey right
 
@JerryCoffin So, biologists are essentially Netflix.
 
@Prismatic that's what we have always done
 
@EtiennedeMartel ...but a lot less entertaining.
 
soooooooooooo
 
12:21 AM
@Jefffrey Yeah 'automation' in general is going to replace a lot of jobs. It would be nice if people focused more on how that kind of transition will affect us etc. You have to provide some kind of minimum basic income if a large group of people in your sociey can't earn a living
 
@VermillionAzure howdy feller
 
@Prismatic Not just automation. We'll have learning robots.
 
@Prismatic riots everywhere
 
That they act like people, but that we can program to focus on specific subjects.
 
Does anybody want to play a toy?
 
12:22 AM
So you can even replace programmers
And when you replaced programmers, the growth is exponential
 
@Jefffrey at which point, humanity will be eliminated from the planet
 
Because machines will build better machines
 
not sure if that's a bad thing
@VermillionAzure yes bb
 
@nick I think that there's an implicit limit with computer based robots
 
@Prismatic People have been claiming this since the 1800's (or maybe even before that). So far, the opposite has been true: automation has changed a lot of jobs, but actually created a lot more new jobs than it ever destroyed.
 
12:23 AM
They can't beat our intelligence
 
@VermillionAzure No more toys, only gaems now
 
With the known physic laws and all
 
@Jefffrey yet
 
hmmmmmmmm
 
@Jefffrey right..
 
12:23 AM
@nabijaczleweli No, I mean ever.
 
@Jefffrey As far as we know
 
You know that there's a physic limit to how powerful computers will be, right?
And we are like 1/4 of the way right now
 
Current-technology-like computers?
 
And we are not even close to the power of the brain
 
Or like any computers ever?
 
12:24 AM
@ScottW hei
 
silicon computers are pretty much all 2D right now
 
@nabijaczleweli Any computer ever
That's why people are exploring quantum computers
 
@Jefffrey Hmmmm, didn't know that
 
But even those are good only for specific kind of problems as far as I know
 
Are they good for gaems
 
12:26 AM
lol
 
@Jefffrey The futurists (e.g., Ray Kurzweil) claim otherwise--but I notice that Ray's prediction of "the singularity" is for 2045, at which time he'd be 97. Damned little chance he'll still be alive by then, so if he's proven wrong, it'll only be after he's dead and no longer cares.
 
Singularity or Singular points may refer to: == Science and technology == === Mathematics === Mathematical singularity, a point at which a given mathematical object is not defined or not "well-behaved", for example infinite or not differentiable ==== Geometry ==== Singular point of a curve, where the curve is not given by a smooth embedding of a parameter Singular point of an algebraic variety, a point where an algebraic variety is not locally flat Rational singularity, a concept in singularity theory Singularity theory, which deals with these concepts ==== Complex analysis ==== Ess...
 
i don't see how we're anywhere close to the "limit" of computational power
 
> Singularity (operating system), an operating system developed by Microsoft Research written in managed code
I don't think you mean this
 
@Jefffrey If they were efficient enough, you could probably apply (for example) their fast database lookup to a lot of problems. Still no obvious progress toward real artificial intelligence though.
 
12:27 AM
@Jefffrey probably imploded shortly after release
 
@Jefffrey No, probably not. Look down to the "Futurology" section.
 
> Technological singularity, a hypothetical moment in time when artificial intelligence will have progressed to the point of a greater-than-human intelligence
Nice
 
Ell
@Jefffrey we aren't 1/4th of the way
 
@Ell more? 1/2?
 
Ell
The limit of computing power is massive as long as we can parralelise things
Are you talking single core serial processing only?
 
12:30 AM
I mean the limit to memory and CPU power per volume
 
@Jefffrey if we're just talking about classical semiconductor-based computers.. just think about how many semiconductor materials are available out there in the universe
all that untapped potential
ah i see
 
I remember there was this scientist that said that we are approaching very quickly the limit to the amount of bits we can fix in a nanometer or something small like that
 
@Jefffrey That strikes me as a misleading (if not outright false) summary. It's really at the point that artificial intelligence can start to design and build AI that's more intelligent than itself.
 
Ell
Yeah I think its like 7nm and electrons start tunneling through transistor gaps
 
@Jefffrey Per volume? "One bucket of Xenon III, please!"
 
12:31 AM
once manufacturers figure out how to produce processors in 3D, the power/volume figure will shoot way up
its so complicated though
 
Ell
AMD already have started with HBM
 
@Ell yeah we also have 3D NAND but memory is still relatively simple compared to a full CPU
 
> A cold degenerate star could conceivably be used as a giant data storage device, by carefully perturbing it to various excited states, in the same manner as an atom or quantum well used for these purposes.
 
Heskall is stripping right now, hot
 
> It may be possible to use a black hole as a data storage and/or computing device, if a practical mechanism for extraction of contained information can be found.
 
12:33 AM
i read a book where they use a star as a computer
blew my mind
 
Ell
Sleepy time
 
nn
 
@Ell good night sweet prince
 
Ell
Night all
 
Night ell
 
12:34 AM
@ScottW i'll let you have him tonight
 
Okay
I have a mini demo with a square
It has acceleration with WASD and speed with arrows
reverse accel/speed with space
 
Building ShallChack didn't take 2GB of RAM
 
Why are you including the bin folder?
it has DLLs
terribad
 
@Ell They already use special high-K dielectric for transistor gates to be able to use a thicker layer (to reduce leakage).
 
12:37 AM
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK @Verm
This is so terribad
 
@nabijaczleweli Well, did you try it?
 
No
The fucking repo leyout
 
Also, I don't care. It's my own personal project and it's not meant to be a real project anyways
 
It's disgusting
 
It's just a snapshot of me folder.
@nabijaczleweli Just try it.
 
12:38 AM
uploading your binaries is weird
like your object files and stuff
 
@VermillionAzure Give me a tar of that
 
@Prismatic I don't really care anyways.
Plus you need the DLLs to run it.
 
Don't mix debug and release!
Also static link to MSVC-RT and get sued
 
MSVC sucks
use GCC instead
or LLVM/clang
 
ITT cinch is terrible
 
12:39 AM
@nabijaczleweli are you on linux or windows
if you're on windows i'll just zip the bin
 
@VermillionAzure Windows
 
GCC is a shitty compiler, it can't even make PE!
 
@Mikhail sigh except it can?
 
@nabijaczleweli then i'll give you the bin
 
12:40 AM
use clang
 
(well, a windows port of it can)
 
@nabijaczleweli No, it doesn't (but its linker does just fine, of course).
 
The link works
Is it missing some DLLs?
 
@JerryCoffin GCC is not gcc, it's the whole thing
 
Yo
@nabijaczleweli Is it missing some DLLs?
 
12:41 AM
dependency walker yall
 
@Mikhail ahhhh i forgot about this
yes
 
@VermillionAzure Werks
 
@nabijaczleweli Still the "GNU Compiler Collection", not "GNU Compiler and linker collection".
 
@nabijaczleweli Use WASD and arrows
 
kek mumbel overlay renders over that
 
12:42 AM
WASD is acceleration and arrows are speed
Use Space to reverse velocity and accel
 
libgcc dll is missing, can't run
 
@Borgleader Would be cool if it they are seeing something interesting... but I bet there's still lots and lots of testing to verify the science
 
@nick ah, thought so.
 
do windows devs need to sign builds now?
 
Is memcpy(A,A,bytes) a null op, it can't be right, how does the system know it doesn't hit some traps...?
 
12:43 AM
I can't seem to run it without windows complaining
 
@Prismatic Yeah T_T But how am I sposed to assimilate the galaxy without a bloody warp drive!?!?
 
@nick oaky soooo
it needs libgcc...
 
@VermillionAzure libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll and libstdc++-6.dll
 
libc++\
 
oh boy speed tetris time
 
12:44 AM
but.. but I thought gcc was a compiler not a runtime
 
@nick DLLs
C and C++ std lib
 
this is terrible
 
@Mikhail If the standard requires it, it shall be done
 
@nick Well duh
Here's it with the two DLLs
 
y u filedropper
 
12:46 AM
anyone good with servers & domain registry here?
 
i am an expert
 
yeah right ...
my domain rego expired, but I could still log on to the server
I need epp code
to register domain under my name
 
Be graced with my presence, water-based lifeforms
 
you must contact your old registrar to obtain the EPP code
 
@buttifulbuttefly bows
 
12:48 AM
Well?
 
@buttifulbuttefly hello my favorite flying insect
 
How does it work?
 
it is not registered under my name, the owner of my old service provider registered itunder his name
 
It works fine
 
@VermillionAzure oh no, all the stuff in the main function
 
12:49 AM
@nabijaczleweli And what do you think about the movement
@milleniumbug It's a dummy program for experimentation
I'm testing out a basic movement system.
 
@VermillionAzure Not sure the diff WSAD vs arrows
 
@nabijaczleweli okay...
 
libwinpthread missing
 
Use WASD
 
WSAD is slower
 
12:49 AM
what
 
@nabijaczleweli except the momentum is stronger because it's acceleration
use Spacebar
 
@nick It doesn't need one,=
 
@nabijaczleweli It does.
 
@VermillionAzure Ah, nested from C++ std lib
 
@nabijaczleweli yeah.
Hmmm... There's a lot I can do with this...
 
12:56 AM
yeah these dependencies are crazy
is there something like NPM for non-node projects?
probably wouldn't apply to this one anyway
 
@nick for what
C++?
 
meh
yes
but I realize it would be a clusterfuck
you would have different types of libraries linked on each platform
and if the packages were just source it would take 100 years to build and launch
 

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