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12:00 AM
<3
 
@TonyTheLion :O
 
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@EtiennedeMartel The issue is that the most extreme people are often the most visible.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Perhaps you need to look elsewhere then.
 
@TonyTheLion they are so cute. :3
 
@EtiennedeMartel The feminists I know are great people. I've still seen them talk about men in such a way that, were a man to talk about women in the same tone or style, there are feminists that would accuse that man of (possibly unintended) misogyny.
 
12:00 AM
@jaggedSpire Cute and loving. Mine used to sleep on my lap when I watched TV.
 
@jaggedSpire youtube.com/watch?v=ny5vGbTfB8c (thumbnail is a spoiler)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Perhaps. But I am just answering to your "I find weird..." - it's not weird at all, those are the ones shouting the loudest.
 
@TonyTheLion in 5th grade and in 7th grade my class had a pet ferret. :3
 
@caps You use a lot of "they" as if they were a well hive mind.
 
I like feminists. I could even be said to like feminism. I've certainly learned a lot from them.
 
12:01 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Fair enough. I still think angry men shout louder than angry women.
 
@rlemon :P Thanks
 
@jaggedSpire Snakes can be quite good at jumping.
 
@EtiennedeMartel In some contexts. Usually.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Isn't that discrimination? :P
 
@Morwenn I bet ferrets are too. :P
 
12:02 AM
@TonyTheLion No. It's prejudice.
 
Ferrets are curious and playful animals
 
@EtiennedeMartel No. I'm referring to some specific people and behavior I've noticed in them specifically. But it fits with a larger trend, or trope, that I've observed broadly.
 
@caps And I've observed a much different trend. So my guess is we're both talking from our own personal and biased experiences.
 
@TonyTheLion and crazy good at escaping.
 
12:03 AM
And none of us is telling the whole story because we can't see it.
 
@rlemon More specifically, this imgur.com/s59f6v1
 
I prefer to focus on the fact that feminism has done and is still doing a lot of positive things in society.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Right. Thus "I still feel like some..."
@EtiennedeMartel Has done, certainly. Is still doing, maybe.
 
@milleniumbug hrm, I think those are just called "small lanyards"
:?
 
@caps Well, it's not like sexism is gone forever, right?
 
12:04 AM
There are still a lot of issues that need to be addressed, that feminism is right to make a clamor about.
 
googling "small lanyard" gives me this
looks about right
 
looks so
thanks
 
@EtiennedeMartel Right, yes, I agree. But I don't think feminism, as a movement, is 100% a positive thing. I think it's a NET positive though.
 
np
 
but that's a jpg
 
12:06 AM
@EtiennedeMartel so did shouting men, FWIW.
 
@caps Nothing is 100% positive. But we have issues to fix and I prefer not to worry about a few extremists.
 
user406009
Sexism is a really hard thing to tackle though. It's often hard to tell whether certain acts are sexist or not.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm less worried about the fringe extremists than I am about ways that the average/core seems to move towards extremism.
 
@caps Again, haven't seen that, so I'm not worried.
 
user406009
How does feminism have an average/core?
 
user406009
12:08 AM
Isn't it a pretty decentralized movement?
 
@Lalaland It is, you're right.
 
@Lalaland For me, the real problem is the assumptions. Like when people tell you how a man should behave or how a woman should behave.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, "extremism" is somewhat relative to your perspective.
@EtiennedeMartel I usually agree with feminists on these points. But the feminists I know sometimes reject norms that I hold about how people should behave.
 
Apparently, there hasn't been any mass shooting in Wyoming and North Dakota since at least 2012.
 
Time to change that
 
12:09 AM
@Morwenn Well, time to release a violent video game in there. It'll change everything.
 
It seems that it's mostly an East coast and California thing.
Well, East not-only-coast actually.
 
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@Morwenn It's mostly a population density thing.
 
@Lalaland Yeah, I think so.
 
> Note: When mapping ports in the HOST:CONTAINER format, you may experience erroneous results when using a container port lower than 60, because YAML will parse numbers in the format xx:yy as sexagesimal (base 60).
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If you want to make a mess, you need to hit something the media will care about.
 
12:11 AM
YAML: full of good ideas
 
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@Morwenn Relevant xkcd: xkcd.com/1138
 
@CatPlusPlus what the fuck?!?!?
 
@CatPlusPlus said no one ever
@TonyTheLion brought to you by people who use rubby
 
user406009
@Morwenn In case you haven't heard, we just had another mass shooting in the US.
 
@Lalaland I've heard that there were 355 of those this year, which makes one everyday.
 
12:14 AM
man
 
@LucDanton github.com/apple/swift/graphs/contributors a wild dave abrahams
 
In the unicode docs, they legit give you a bunch of tables and lots of code examples
 
> 1,397 commits / 102,641 ++ / 74,292 --
 
why not just put it together in a library
 
@Lalaland the second one nationally covered in a week, I think.
 
12:16 AM
@Prismatic then you couldn't put a "it's just an example, error handling left as exercise to the reader" sticker on it :p
 
user406009
Yep. People love their guns here.
 
There was the guy at Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs
 
@ElimGarak reported
 
user406009
Oh, yeah. That one was also pretty bad.
 
@melak47 those jerk faces
 
12:17 AM
Nine people hospitalized, three dead
 
@nick But, not even the authorities care about W & ND.
 
user406009
It's just that the recent one was near Los Angeles. Only 60 miles from my parent's place where I grew up.
 
@jaggedSpire You mean there has been one since? :o
 
@Lalaland :\ tell me about it. I grew up in Colorado Springs, and was there over Thanksgiving.
@Morwenn It was on Friday
 
That's crazy.
 
12:18 AM
@Lalaland it got late and I turned off the stream, but tl;dr were the people in the black SUV the ones who shot up the other place?
I could google it, but .. actually I have no good reason not too
sorry for asking
 
for a while I couldn't remember if my brother worked near there
 
@TheMichaelMoran Reddit: [reporter 1] "It doesn't look like a standard shooting" [reporter 2] "I hate how we do have standard shootings"
Yup
 
ISO/IEC 15882:2015 Standard Shooting
 
wait what
where'd my message go
 
got VAC banned
 
12:21 AM
What did it say
 
user406009
Well, I don't think there is a good solution.
 
user406009
Guns are too easy to get in the US and they will always be easy to get.
 
@Rapptz what did you write
 
You can't get rid of guns, and the US already tried getting rid of a lot of things.
 
excuse me, but is this chatroom now moderated by regex expressions
 
12:23 AM
Once you outlaw item A, it gains extreme value on the black market. You create a fertile soil for "business"
 
@BartekBanachewicz by regular expression expressions?
 
@CatPlusPlus you knew sexagesimal without googling right?
 
eh im not in the mood
 
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@BartekBanachewicz W3 CL3@RLY N33D T0 US3 1337 5P3ACK
 
im trolling the C room again because bored
my car broke
FML
someone hug me
 
12:25 AM
@BartekBanachewicz hugs <3
 
hugs Badgetech
 
go fix your battery
 
Hugs is also a name of a haskell interpreter.
<3
 
@BartekBanachewicz There's 6000 kilometers between us.
 
@Prismatic I'm pretty sure it's the glow plug relay that broke
but I lack specialist knowledge to confirm
 
Paris hasn't stopped these type of murders, I see that. @shipdrummer @allinwithchris @igorvolsky
 
@orlp Memoriiiiiiiies.
 
Pro-gun lobby so classy. They found a ammunition [sic] in the "debate".
 
Ell
hmm
@TomHammersley @matiasgoldberg auto NotABool = ABoolVector[5]; // Ref class VS auto DefBool = static_cast<bool>(ABoolVector[5]); // bool
I don't understand why this is a problem
 
@Nooble playing piano on Mumble :)
 
12:29 AM
wait
it's 1:30 am
what happened to the time
?!
 
@TonyTheLion :D
 
it moved
 
@TonyTheLion no you silly
spacetime is an object
 
@orlp I would not spend my time on that. (Granted it's better on piano)
 
it doesn't move
 
12:29 AM
@orlp i ated it
i am a time devourer
 
@sehe why not?
 
remember, it's at least 5 times as good because of nostalgia
 
idk why but i laughed
 
@BartekBanachewicz How cold is it there? My motor starts without glow plugs down to ~-5C
 
12:30 AM
@orlp It strikes me as very low effort generative music. It doesn't interest me
> remember
?
 
TIL taylor swift does stock photo modeling
 
I can't remember that
 
@MartinJames today? about +5.
you know what's weirdest?
 
@sehe you never played pokemon gold?
 
When it was almost zero on battery power it still started
and now it has full battery which spins the engine at least twice it fast it won't start
 
@orlp Why would anyone do anything related to pokemons
 
I'd think faster start = higher compression = easier ignition
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's how it usually works, yes.
 
THEN WHY WONT IT START UUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
@sehe le nostalgia
 
12:32 AM
@sehe Because Pokémons are great :D
 
pokemon is ridiculous
 
I would still play Pokémon if I owned a 3DS or something.
 
@orlp of course not. Nostalgia would refer to something you used to know earlier in life :)
 
the fact that they have milked that property for so many generations is just sad
 
@sehe ye but ur an oldfag
we're newfags
 
12:33 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Well, is there a nasty smell of diesel at the exhaust pipe?
 
come on peeps. the language. It's true. There's no stopping the weird language on the internets
 
FYI I drained the battery again trying to start it
 
It never disappoints: it's always the same thing as ever, everything you'd expect with a little extra added every time.
 
so I'm charging it again
not that I think it'll help or anything
I think I might just have bashed the battery on something fragile when taking it out
 
12:34 AM
@BartekBanachewicz If it's fuel supply/injection fail, unburnt fuel gets pumped out the exhaust...
 
@MartinJames I doubt it would get out without running engine
the exhaust is big
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, I guess if you battery is so shagged that unburned fuel does not get to the tailpipe, you have multiple problems:(
 
@Nooble Those SSE instructions must've impressed someone because I now have a call with the manager tomorrow afternoon
 
One other possibility is that the low battery has triggered your immobiliser:(
 
@nick :D
I'll be awaiting my check for a million dollars in the mail.
 
12:40 AM
>:)
sure thing
that call is gonna be immediately after I get off another call with another company basically im the shit
 
@MartinJames I think I might have triggered it myself when I left the key in
it started flashing and shit
and then the immo light started blinking
BUT when I put the key in it properly goes off
I've also tried with another key
 
@nick Best full-stack developer I know.
 
Hey, what do you guys think of reusing the concepts shorthand syntax to ease the repetition associated with generic parameters? For example:

auto perfect_forward_call = [](Callable{F} f, auto{Args}&&... args) {
return std::invoke(std::forward<F>(f), std::forward<Args>(args)...);
};
 
@BartekBanachewicz does it even attempt to start?
 
@nick the starter works fine
 
12:45 AM
@Nooble full-heap programmer
 
@chris don't you think the C++ syntax is complicated enough already
 
Did the code markdown in chat change or am I dumb
 
@BartekBanachewicz so it does or it doesn't start?
 
> Chris discovered a weird trick and now all compiler writers hate him.
@nick It doesn't start. The starter works.
 
@chris tell me your trick
 
12:47 AM
@BartekBanachewicz The GenericType{SpecificType} syntax is already in concepts.
 
@BartekBanachewicz what kind of key is it
 
@chris Yes, but now you're giving people two ways to do the same thing and compilers need to support both.
 
(like can you unlock remotely)
 
@nick You might want to read about SSE in case they ask you about it.
 
12:47 AM
but central remote lock and immo are unrelated
 
Or leave a wikipedia tab open because it's a call.
 
Reusing it for this works great because it still introduces a specific type name. It's much better than repeating decltype(f), possibly in the body, trailing return type, and noexcept.
 
@BartekBanachewicz press unlock button twice, start car, profit
 
@TonyTheLion fly like an eagle /cc @jaggedSpire
 
The newline char '\n' gives me a missing glyph index in freetype. What the hell
 
12:48 AM
@Nooble dude you don't even know
I did so much reading
 
@Borgleader :D
 
I'm practically an expert on this shit
 
@nick let @Mysticial decide on this matter ;)
 
@nick As with everything.
 
@nick it doesn't have the "unlock" button. It has one button
Pressing it twice would lock the car again
 
Ell
12:49 AM
I'm going to learn some erlang
 
@BartekBanachewicz er, unlock it remotely then
 
and how would that help anything
i can unlock it
 
> er
 
it won't start
 
I wanna hear you say that in voice nick.
 
12:50 AM
IDG what you're not getting
 
@BartekBanachewicz Can you post a fucking stack trace or any console output whatsoever?
How am I supposed to diagnose your problem
 
@BartekBanachewicz It doesn't add previously impossible functionality, but I feel it's worth it for people who use these generic parameter types often, and it's bound to become more common as people use the shorthand void foo(auto x, Concept y); concepts syntax.
 
debugging cars is serious biz
@chris TL;DR it's probably not worth it
I'm not saying it's a bad idea
but it's not Rust where you can play with syntax all you like
"backwards compatibility" guys would skin you alive
and then compiler writers would make steaks out of you
 
On a more serious note: me and a friend were working on my car a while ago, we removed the battery cuz expert mechanics, replaced a part, connected the battery and it refused to start
 
I want a sweater that reveals a shoulder.
 
12:52 AM
I realize committee time is precious. I don't see how it breaks compatibility, though.
 
@nick oh. Now you're getting interesting.
 
so he drove me home so I could get the original PCU to swap back in
 
@chris It's the committee's job to find out how.
 
I don't know of any other brace-based syntax that can be used right after a parameter type.
 
@nick Lol where they putting something on volatile storage?
That's stupid.
 
12:52 AM
i picked up my other set of keys (usually I just use the valet key, cuz fuck remote)
 
The closest I can get is Foo = {}
 
AND GUESS WHAT I UNLOCKED IT WITH MY FUCKING REMOTE KEY AND IT STARTED
 
@chris Foo { } is universal init
 
it was such cancer
 
@BartekBanachewicz I mean as a default argument
 
12:53 AM
I can't follow any of you
You are talking gibberish to me
 
@Morwenn I'm going to guess its not cold where you live?
 
@Borgleader I bet I could out-compute Mystical
 
@Borgleader Hardly ever below 0, but also hardly ever hot.
 
I wonder how much work it would be for the compiler writers who already have the concepts Concept{T1, T2} syntax done.
 
That kind would be great, but black :D
 
12:54 AM
:3 /cc @Borgleader @TonyTheLion @Morwenn
 
@Morwenn I envy you so much right now :(
 
@jaggedSpire Cuddle time :D
 
@Morwenn :D
 
I finally got some time to look at that the hell happened in the past few days. But it seems that my effort to get @Jon some help has backfired in the worst possible way that I couldn't even have imagined.
 
@jaggedSpire I wanna be this kitten
 
12:55 AM
@Borgleader It's really rainy and windy, so you feel cold anyway.
 
@jaggedSpire :D
 
@Morwenn Yesterday was rainy and -8, it will only get worse
 
@nick Yeah, with that full-heap.
 
Winter is coming.
 
12:56 AM
@Morwenn Where do you live?
 
@Mysticial Uh oh
 
@Borgleader Are you using non-freedom units?
 
@Jefery Brest, France
 
Winter is coming indeed
 
@Nooble -8C
 
12:56 AM
@Borgleader ^_^
 
@Mysticial Huh?
 
@Jefery In Brest, Brittany, France.
 
And now it's above 0°?
 
@Borgleader That's not toooo bad.
 
THE LOUNGE IS BEING SHUT DOWN EVERYBODY PANIC
 
12:57 AM
@Nooble But rain :(
 
@Nooble people were very, very angry about the ROs here trying to get people to not flag
 
@Nooble I need to be careful with what I say because I don't want to be next.
 
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@nick Nah.
 
@Jefery Of course. We haven't had under 4°C yet IIRC.
 
And quite simply, I'm not sure I want to be apart of this "new lounge" anymore.
 
12:57 AM
@jaggedSpire You could have been so majestic had you not cut your hair
user image
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@Borgleader lol
 
@Mysticial who was before?
 
seriously a stupid/unwise person should reconsider before giving advice ... especially when they have a track record for being wrong!
 
which I think was related to the serial flagger
 
@Mysticial It will pass
 
12:58 AM
@Mysticial That's fucking horrible.
 
Everybody has moved on already
 
@nick Sorry, my head got ahead of my typing.
 
happens :)
 
We have IRC where messages are not instantly deleted with no explanation!
And not only because they can't be!
 
user406009
First they came for the drunk people. And I did not speak up because I don't browse chat rooms while drunk. Then they came for the assholes. And I did not speak up because I was not an asshole. Then they came for the trolls. And I did not speak up because I was not a troll. Now they come for all of us. And there was no one left to speak for us normal people.
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12:59 AM
The thing that really concerns me is that multiple people whom I respect in this room have been banned.
 

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