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12:01 AM
how I categorised them
 
I don’t see it (not literally).
 
@Rapptz lol
 
@LucDanton It was before your comments :(
 
oic
 
Ell
I want to tell him just to see his reaction
 
12:03 AM
I was going for "type traits could be properties or operations and some properties could also be operations"
with transformation traits being 'meta functions', I don't like calling those traits
 
Ah, that fits a Venn diagram well.
 
ah yeah, it could
 
@Rapptz I know what you mean, I won’t fight that battle though. Esp. considering there’s a whole <type_traits>.
 
I think they just didn't want to separate that to two headers.
Which made me realise the standard library doesn't like using 'subdirectories'
 
12:21 AM
They’re experimental :D
 
Elgoods Gold... 4.5%.. ratted...
 
Ell
I hope I can get my documentation system working
I like the look of it so far
 
HELLO
I AM DOG
 
WOOF WOOF!
 
Ell
Pork pie, shiny eye, champagne pedo
Fuck it I'm going to programme some now
 
12:27 AM
Alright, time for bed.
 
Night.
 
sbi
12:39 AM
@CatPlusPlus Nope. You're @CAT.
Anyway, I just meant to drop this here before I go to bed.
Keep sleeping, Lounge!
 
Ell
Night :)
 
The STL definitely needs healing
 
Ell
12:55 AM
yup :P
 
Ell
1:27 AM
okay wut
 
1:42 AM
Seen on Facebook: Where do you grow your kilobytes? A bit field.
 
Ell
2:09 AM
>.<
 
Hello, Cruel World!
 
CollectionViewSource and ObservableCollection is really ticking me off.
 
2:36 AM
@Code-Apprentice back to cruel world again?
 
for today ;-)
 
So I have a CollectionViewSource that won't refresh as new items are added to an ObservableCollection.
 
2:57 AM
@Code-Apprentice Yeah.
 
3:13 AM
haha
 
Hello all
Anyone minds if i asked on pthread and C++? Having some issues :)
 
Alright.Thanks.
 
3:40 AM
aw shit.
My 91 day streak on meta ended.
 
lol
ow
 
there goes my gold badge :<
 
I remember losing a 90+ day streak on the old meta.SO waaay back.
 
at least I have my SO streak.
 	visited 	784 days, 743 consecutive
Oh wow.
sehe is the only person with the gold tag: stackoverflow.com/help/badges/3873/boost
 
user3010322
3:57 AM
Dat phoenix.
 
Someone just replied to a comment of mine from 2011
 
 
2 hours later…
user3010322
5:27 AM
Mmm.
 
user3010322
Abstractions be hard work.
 
6:21 AM
here, you have my supporting for sitting in a sleeping room
 
 
1 hour later…
user3010322
Hm.
 
I don't use emacs.
 
@Rapptz What do you use? The SublimeText?
 
user3010322
A "texture" in OpenGL behaves so fundamentally different from a "texture" in DirectX.
 
7:49 AM
yeah
 
user3010322
This is annoying. ._.
 
user3010322
They both approach samplers differently too.
 
also all of those things are built in on ST
well, except the last three.
 
But SublimeText is payware, right?
 
I guess.
I haven't paid for it yet.
I'm thinking I should though.
I consider the payment more like a donation than an actual sale because there's an infinite free trial (a la WinRAR).
 
user3010322
7:59 AM
Mmm.
 
user3010322
I need an OpenGL API expert to help me.
 
user3010322
This API is... well, it's surface area is huge and there's nothing like cppreference for it.
 
8:11 AM
good luck with that
 
user3010322
Yeah, I know it's not happening
 
user3010322
I just flipped back on the DirectX switch.
 
user3010322
Thankfully my system is entirely modular. I can ccontinue developing freetype without OpenGL.
 
8:47 AM
Freetype?
@Ell Awww. TBH, I like the people of the Internet as mere nick names or silly avatar pictures, like here, better than as real people. Real people are ugly and sometimes hard to deal with. I know this is asocial and I should probably do something about it. :)
 
@VáclavZeman That is what he said.
 
sup all
 
@blissfreak I am looking at stuff to spend money on.
 
this might be a long shot, but I'm in a bit of a bind, and I could use some serious help in regards to heap corruption. Any takers?
 
@PolymorphicPotato Vacation!
@blissfreak Valgrind. Next!
 
9:00 AM
@blissfreak Use a language that guarantees it won't happen, problem solved.
 
no, and no
 
@VáclavZeman Clothes. :v
 
1) I'm in win32, 2) I have to use C++
 
@PolymorphicPotato A hat. Specifically, a fine bowler hat.
 
9:01 AM
SSCCE?
 
That's what I said.
 
googles
 
@blissfreak Well. Are you using MSVC?
 
yeah
latest
in a nutshell: all libs are linked as release with, from what I can tell, no debugging symbols
 
@blissfreak Then try using _CrtCheckMemory to narrow down the part where it fails.
 
9:02 AM
I know where it fails...but, I'm not sure exactly why or how
 
Ah, well, you are fucked. You might as well jump off of a bridge.
 
it's in a single function call
 
The call to main? :D
 
haha, I wish
at least I could step through that ;)
 
You should have symbol files even for release versions.
 
9:03 AM
hmm...
 
What product is that so that I can be sure never to buy it?
 
Sketchup's C API
the latest
 
Are you sure it is heap corruption?
 
(it's actually C++, but they refer to it as C, and to be fair it's very C-like)
 
Make sure your and their expectations of function calling convention do match.
 
9:05 AM
ok. usually __cdecl is used, with the exception of win32 api, right?
 
@blissfreak no wonder there's heap corruption going on.
 
Can it be some bullshit with different MSVCRT.DLLs and thus different heaps? Freeing your pointer by their free() etc.?
 
The C in "C" is for "heap corruption."
 
that's what I'm wondering; but I've compiled every library which I could under VS2010
which is what the API was built under
@PolymorphicPotato yeah...no RAII and ***
 
Well, I gotta dash, I have like three hours to prepare some stuff here. Good luck.
 
9:06 AM
thanks
I'll look into those suggestions, take it easy
 
You're a C-star programmer!
 
Are you saying you are mixing VS 2010 and VS 2013 binaries? You said something about "latest".
 
no; I'm using VS 2013, but compiling with VC 2010
 
what about using redistributable?
does that actually make a difference
?
like, the API says to use the redistributable version of VC++ 2010...but, AFAIK as long as one links it all under 2010 it shouldn't matter, right?
 
9:08 AM
not caring as a service
CC @CatPlusPlus
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's what Lounge<C++> offers.
 
sigh. All right - I figured I'd at least ask. Have a good night everyone!
 
night
no not night
I have no hangover
not anymore
cured it yesterday
not gonna sleep today
 
9:31 AM
good morning
 
Ahaahh
> Whenever I make this point it always seems to annoy the right kind of people. So I might as well do it again.
 
> After some research I settled on PHP, and started (...)
I think I see his problem right there.
@PolymorphicPotato Where did you find that?
 
Oh "sort" not "kind"
 
9:47 AM
ah
 
Well, time to shower and shit.
 
What is it with people and not even bothering to learn that there is move(first, last, d_first)? I'll probably have to start screaming at people soon.
 
it's not a tremendously useful algorithm.
 
@PolymorphicPotato change the order of execution to save paper
 
No, but seeing
for (int i = blah; i < blahblah; i++){
    arr[i] = move(arr[i+1]);
}
makes me (perhaps irrationally) angry
 
9:54 AM
yes, very irrationally.
 
Like, if it was move_if_noexcept, I would be perfectly okay with it
 
Xeo
@Puppy Hey, I just used it recently!
 
@Puppy Sure it is.
 
Xeo
... SFML has no prebuilt binaries for VC12
meh
 
To me it seems a lot like reinventing std::vector. Okay, I actually trust people to get this right, unlike std::vector, but the basic reason why I don't like seeing it is the same.
 
10:02 AM
Using SFML?
 
wahahaha
"Oh noes, he did something bad, clearly this is treason".
 
;'\ I've come down with a slight case of melodramatic death
 
I don't understand suicide terrorists - I mean, I understand terrorists, they just hold different beliefs, but why kill yourself? Wouldn't there be one less person fight for your belief?
 
hmmm
> cpp("typeinfo").std.basic_string(int8, cpp("typeinfo").std.char_traits(int8), cpp("typeinfo").std.allocator(int8))
I don't think that basic_string comes from <typeinfo>.
 
@chmod711telkitty I don't understand either...
I still believe real terrorist should achieve doing "terror"... killing people after sometimes doesn't seems to scare much... take a city with metros. Shutdown all metros in the city without killing anyone and that will be real terror
 
10:23 AM
SFML is useless.
Why would you use SFML when there is SDL.
 
Holy shit. We just got hit by a huge-ass earthquake.
 
Vertical or Horizontal? o;
 
Thought California gets hit by earth quakes a lot?
 
It's the strongest one I've ever felt and remembered.
I was at the sink washing my hands when my Dad shouted out for all of us to get in the doorways.
 
where is this?
 
10:27 AM
That had to have been at least 5.0.
Bay Area
I'm trying to find it in the news, but it is the middle of the night.
 
obviously not strong enough - you still have the internet
 
Now I see it in the chart, 6.0 in northern part of the Bay Area.
A couple of boxes fell down. Nothing serious though.
 
Still waiting for the Big One to blow up
 
10:33 AM
@Mysticial any danger for tsunamis?
 
Shouldn't.
It's not at sea.
And the bay doesn't have enough water.
 
speaking of which, I googled earthquakes news that came out in the past 24 hours, apparently there were at least 5 places with magnitude 4.5 and up ... maybe it's normal for some places to shake a bit every now and then?
 
I guess I'll not sleep yet. I'd like to be awake for any aftershocks.
Or if this is a precursor for something bigger.
 
Romania, Japan, Fiji, Iran & the U.S.? ... didn't know there are so many earthquakes happening everyday ...
 
@xeo what do you make of the new (well, not that new) 3D model stuff for MC?
 
10:43 AM
I wonder what happens when an earthquake of magitiude richter scale 8 or above hit the bay area ... google & apple must be really brillant in choosing to build their headquarters near a place that gets hit by 6.5+ earthquakes every 30-50 years or so ...
 
10:56 AM
@Jefffrey how do I keep a connection alive in Scotty?
 
lol
scotty is terrible
 
why?
it works well enough for me.
I wrote a simple SSE server, but it's closing the connection.
 
scotty is not suitable for anything other than serving neat URIs
for anything else you gotta write headers yourself
 
I am writing headers myself.
 
even for cookies IIRC
> In HTTP 1.1, all connections are considered persistent unless declared otherwise. The HTTP persistent connections do not use separate keepalive messages, they just allow multiple requests to use a single connection. However, the default connection timeout of Apache 2.0 httpd is as little as 15 seconds and for Apache 2.2 only 5 seconds.
 
11:00 AM
I've read that
I'd prolly need to tell that to Warp
 
most likely the underlying server
what server are you using?
 
I have no idea, so I assumed it's Warp
or whatever scotty offers by just running scotty
 
yes warp
 
> Uses very fast Warp webserver by default.
> Timeout value in seconds. Default value: 30
fuck
 
for a second I thought warp was WAI
 
11:03 AM
my SSE app is working, but it's reconnecting every time
 
SSE?
 
server-sent events
 
there's also SSE2 and SSE3.
 
I didn't realize anyone ever used Windows Advanced Rasterization Platform.
 
eh.
I think the problem lies elsewhere
 
12:16 PM
man that was a good sleep
I hope the storm outside dies out soon, I want some pizza
 
Storm prevents you from getting pizza?
 
I'd feel bad ordering one
I'm not sure what pizza guys from my favorite restaurant use
if it's a car, it's fine, but if it's a moped or something like that
 
I wanted to open a can of cassoulet and it turned out to be choucroute. That kinda sucked.
But I heated it and it wasn't too bad.
Canned choucroute really doesn't look appetizing.
 
> If you are working with a Java client then my advice is to use the binary types to transfer the data. From memory, I recorded a performance improvement of 10% when I did this change
 
What are the major changes in C++14 ?
 
12:22 PM
10% sounds kinda funny
@DineshBabu polymorphic lambdas and full return type deduction
 
@DineshBabu I recommend the Wikipedia article for a quick overview.
C++14 is the informal name for the most recent revision of the C++ ISO/IEC standard, formally "International Standard ISO/IEC 14882:2014(E) Programming Language C++". C++14 is intended to be a small extension over C++11, featuring mainly bug fixes and small improvements. The committee draft of the C++14 standard, N3690, was published May 15, 2013, the working draft, N3936, was published March 2, 2014, the final ballot period closed on August 15, 2014, and the results (unanimous approval) were announced on August 18. Because earlier C++ standard revisions were noticeably late, the name "C++1y" was...
 
Does clang / gcc support any of these features right now?
 
For me, lambda capture (esp move capture) is very helpful.
 
Want to play with some of these functionalities.
 
ouch
is cbegin C++14? I was kinda using it already
 
12:24 PM
@DineshBabu Yes. GCC with -std=c++1y flag.
 
@DineshBabu Clang should support all that are language only, library support depends on whether you are using libc++ or libstdc++
 
@StackedCrooked Thanks!
@Xarn Cool, thanks!
Any improvements / additions on the Concurrency front? New Atomic Variables / Containers?
 
Shared mutexes only IIRC
Library changes were mostly separated into TSes.
 
There's boost lockfree though.
 
@StackedCrooked is it expected to make it to c++14?
 
12:35 PM
Nope.
C++14 is already released.
Not sure if "released" is the right term here.
 
so the next standard then!
 
C++17 is supposed to have major changes.
 
Ell
Hmm. I'm trying to figure out the point of this oglplus.org/oglplus/html/classoglplus_1_1StrCRefTpl.html
 
@StackedCrooked officially standardized?
ISOed?
 
finalized perhaps
 
12:37 PM
ah yes, finalized
 
@StackedCrooked Standardized maybe.
 
@Xarn the standard... was standardized? :P
 
Yes!
:-D
 
Xeo
@thecoshman ?
Whee, 2h SpeedRunners \o/
And stream testing with ShadowPlay
 
@Xeo youre testing shadowplay?
tell me how well it works, im actually curious
 
12:40 PM
pretty ok
 
Xeo
Works pretty good for a beta
 
Xeo
has a few quirks and un-niceties, though
@BartekBanachewicz yes
 
it's been beta like half a year ago
 
Xeo
it's still in Beta
 
12:41 PM
okay
> sqlErrorMsg = "null value in column \"id\" violates not-null constraint",
2
 
does it use a lot of resources?
 
Xeo
I can't seem to manage to record / stream from my secondary monitor, and I also can't seem to stream SpeedRunners if it's not running full-screen.
@Borgleader Not that I noticed
 
how do I autoincrement
 
@Xeo cool
 
Xeo
12:42 PM
I like the idea behind ShadowPlay
 
@Xeo thats kind of a bummer, im pretty sure OBS can do that though
 
Xeo
since it's really not much more than saving the video stuff on disk
What I'm kinda annoyed with is the audio recording
Even if I set "ingame audio only", it captures the music playing with foobar too
and it doesn't record mic / ingame / music to seperate channels :<
 
oh wait it's already using guids
 
Xeo
Welp, I might be able to manage something with Virtual Audio Cable and stuff, but that's kinda annoying
oh, and apparently you can only stream at 720p
not 1080p
 
eh thats not a problem in my case, 1080p uses a shitton of bandwidth, and i has a bandwidth cap so =/
 
Xeo
12:47 PM
I have 10Mbps upload, so that should be fine I think?
 
oh i didnt mean upload speed, i was merely saying i have 150GB per month. and streaming 1080p eats a lot of that.
 
Xeo
oh
 
> NVIDIA GeForce Experience cannot be installed while Steam is running.
why...
 
Xeo
dunno
 
might have to do with what Steam uses to do streaming and stuff
 
12:50 PM
The inhome game streaming?
 
yup
 
I wonder when H.265 and Webm (VP9) will become common =/
Then bandwidth savings would be nice
 
ISTR that nobody but Google likes Webm
 
and 4chan
 
suddenly ... ducks!
 
12:56 PM
@Puppy I dont quite understand why... I could be wrong, but its a reasonably good alternative to H.264/H.265 with the notable difference that its free to use?
 
4chan will love webm even more once they figure out how to add sound
porn with sound is N times better than porn without sound
 
@Borgleader AFAIK, the technical aspects were questionable- i.e., other people think that H.264/265 is plain a superior format.
and ISTR something about Webm requiring a lot more CPU cycles to encode and decode.
 
ah thats possible, i haven't looked into it all that much. i just checked some compression/quality comparisons
 
and webm didnt seem too far behind h.264 (for VP8) / h.265 (for vp9)
 

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