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Ell
12:00 AM
Man there are some people I want to kill
 
@Ell I wouldn't mind jail if I had a good PC and fast internet access.
I would finally have the time to do some interesting things.
 
Xeo
PS: Waterbolt is overpowered pre-Hardmode
 
Ell
I want to do some pretty messed up stuff
Thats normal though right?
 
Xeo
Just continuously chug mana pots and spam away~
 
@Ell No, you're criminally insane
 
12:07 AM
@Ell Doing them isn't normal.
 
Ell
Hmm
 
Wanting someone dead is not insane. I want the fat parking enforcement officer downtown to die horribly.
 
Xeo
3 Eaters of Worlds and 3 Eyes of Cthulu in one night isn't a bad quota, I'd say.
 
Ell
Ahh martin
I wonder if I cycled past your house recently
 
I have nothing of interest, nothing of any value, and absolutely nothing of any importance to say.
 
Ell
12:19 AM
Gosh josh, you posh slosh
 
@Ell If you were cycling along the 'old' A50 Derby road, then maybe yes. We get a lot of time-trials past here. TBH, I'd rather they cycled past my house than on the 'new' A50 - a dual cabbageway, totally unsuitable for cyclists. The A50 bypass round our village eats about 1.5 cyclists a year.
 
Ell
I'm not sure to be honest, I just thought I'd cycle to the peak district. I may have got the area wrong though
I'll try and look up what road I cycled on
 
@Ell We know the peak district quite well. I met Anne in Hartington, and we lived in Wetton for a few years.
 
Ell
I actually cycled to Buxton
On the A53 most of the way
 
@Ell Buxton OK-ish as a town. The surrounding countryside is better!
 
Ell
12:25 AM
Haha I basically got there and turned around, the weather was making a turn for the worse
I almost got hit on the a53 as a car overtook me on a bend while there was a car coming in the opposite direction
It was really quite scary
 
@Ell Urghh.. OK, yes, the surrounding countryside is better when the weather is good :)
 
Ell
But the peak district is nice for walking in :)
 
@Ell Not surprised. The standard of driving in the UK re. country roads is apalling. TBH, not much better in town.
 
Ell
Yeah it is
 
@Ell Indeed it is. Used to walk miles with the dog, up to the point where the dog dragged me home.
 
Ell
12:29 AM
I do prefer cycling to walking though, not sure why
 
@Ell Well, on the plus side, you should get to the next pub quicker, OTOH, you may not get there at all :(
 
Ell
Shame I can't have a real drink in a pub yet haha
 
@Ell OH! I forget sometimes about the wide range of ages in here :)
 
Ell
Haha yeah
Less than a year yet though!
 
I prefer to walk. It's very difficult to get a cycle over a style or locked farm gate! Anyway, I gotta sleep, BFN, more fun tomorrow :)
 
Ell
12:35 AM
Righty o, goodnight :)
 
Kinda relevant to me since I'm watching Nodame Cantabile.
 
btw 6
or 7
I don't know
 
@CatPlusPlus When you lose count, it's a good time to quit for the night (in my opinion, anyway).
 
Weakling
 
Ell
Do the polish drink more vodka than the Russians?
 
12:43 AM
The right to to quit is when you collapse.
@Ell Polish have good vodka. That's all I know.
 
Ell
I had hand made polish absinthe, never vodka
 
I got work tomorrow. It's nearly 3 AM. Damn.
 
Ell
Do most jobs get weekends off?
My parents don't have normal jobs, I don't know this stuff
 
@Ell Tomorrow it's Friday.
 
Ell
Oh.
Ah well my question still stands
 
user1182183
12:46 AM
 
user1182183
Pretty much sums up the developers of Red Alert 3...
 
user1182183
(No I did not add that text to the game myself, I wanted to look for "JAPAN BARRACKS" but found "JAPANESEAREGAY" instead)
 
wow... racist much?
 
user1182183
@Borgleader I don't know who added it but it\'s in the retail release of the game XD
 
fail reply :P
 
user1182183
12:49 AM
:P
 
user1182183
but ok how the hell do I find the string hashes :/ I mean, I know the location of the unit list iterator but it contains the hashes of the unit names (0x00000000 to 0xFFFFFFFF), but I can't seem to find any array which contains the names ;>
 
user1182183
yet I have the luck to only find racist stuff -.-'
 
They're only mad because Japanese games are better than EA games.
 
Xeo
My phone just got a blue screen. That doesn't seem good.
Now it's green. Wtf.
 
user1182183
@Xeo It"S ALIVVEEEEE
 
Xeo
1:03 AM
Phew, back to normal
 
range::AtLeast<R, std::bidirectional_iterator_tag> cromulent enough or what?
 
Xeo
Hm
"AtLeast" just looks weird, imo
Also, iterator_tags?
 
Keep in mind that's an alias to be used as a quasi-ICE: EnableIf<range::AtLeast<R, some_tag>>..., static_assert( range::AtLeast<R, some_tag>(), "" ); and so on.
 
Xeo
range::HasCategory<R, range::bidirectional> would be my suggestion, but eh
 
You can't 'has' nice things :p
 
Xeo
1:06 AM
Pff
 
@Xeo WIP.
Atm the priority is ditching the Boost.Range stuff.
 
Xeo
What's so bad about HasStuff? :(
IsOfCategory then? :/
 
'Have' is almost as bad as the copula.
I barely tolerate the is_like_scheme thing; wish I could have like_scheme? tbh.
 
Xeo
Might go with range::IsCategoryOf<range::bidi, R> to mirror is_base_of? Seems kinda weird, though
Oh well, no suggestions from me, I never know how to name my stuff.
 
@Xeo What does IsCategoryOf<range::bidi, std::vector<T>> report?
 
Xeo
1:09 AM
Nothing, a vector is not a range! :P
 
That's where you're wrong :v still, that's not the point.
 
Xeo
It'd be true, I guess.
Since a vector-range is of input, forward, bidi and random_access category - in my mind, anyways.
And I know I'm crazy.
 
I find that misleading. That's the reasoning behind AtLeast. I can understand why it doesn't stand out as particularly elegant though.
(Keep in mind that I have range::Category to report e.g. std::random_access_iterator_tag or whatevs.)
 
yiz
make | out
 
Xeo
Hm
 
1:13 AM
I.e. IsCategoryOf<R, Tag> vs std::is_same<Category<R>, Tag>
 
Xeo
What's on my mind since the beginning is actually range::IsBidirectional<R>, but I guess that's not very generic
 
Right. That would be more convenience than actual functionality.
 
Xeo
range::FullfillsRequirementsFor<Tag, R>, but that's getting long-winded
 
I'm really trying to trim down the fat here, finding a 'core' interface is surprisingly harder than I thought it would be. That Boost.Range has the luxury to sprinkle things like boost::size boggles my mind.
 
Xeo
(I'm looking for another word for "fullfills requirements", and it's on the tip of my tongue, but I can't remember)
 
1:15 AM
Oh yeah, that's a good lead. Getting less vague than AtLeast.
 
Xeo
Also, I guess it should be Fulfill not Fullfill
 
yiz
@ScottW hello
 
Xeo
Damn I can't remember the word
 
adequate
 
@Xeo After taking a look at a thesaurus I think I'll give range::Fulfills<R, Tag> a try. Concise, but not as vague as range::AtLeast -- and esp. concise if you drop the full qualification (e.g. if the context is unambiguous).
 
1:21 AM
btw "fulfill requirement" is redundant
 
Ya I thought as much.
 
Xeo
Is it?
 
Yeah.
 
Xeo
"erfüllt die Bedingungen" is the German version so meh :/
 
Also apart from fulfil and adequate there's also accomplish but I don't know what word you meant.
 
Xeo
1:23 AM
Oh... range::CompliesWith<Tag, R>? Sounds a bit too formal and lawyer-y it feels like, lol
 
Damn you guys have better thesauri than I have.
 
That's not a word!
 
I was deceived.
 
Xeo
lol
 
1:24 AM
"Complies with" actually has a different meaning than "fulfils the requirement of this"
At least in my mind
 
Xeo
In your mind, "Fulfills requirements" is also redundant
:P
 
I don't think you're wrong, but in the context of generic programming I think they're close enough in meaning.
 
heheh
 
I haven't looked back through the thread far enough to be sure, but is what you're trying to describe close enough to Concepts that "models" would be a reasonable term?
 
Oh um, you're absolutely right!
 
Xeo
1:30 AM
There's the word!
As always, Jerry saves the day / evening / night!
 
And in fact I was getting rid of the BOOST_CONCEPT_ASSERT(( boost::BidirectionalRangeConcept<R> )); stuff.
 
Hi everyone.
 
@MarkGarcia Hello. How are you tonight/today/this morning/whatever?
 
@JerryCoffin Morning. Having a bad time with all this PHP/Javascript coding. Sigh. At least I could learn something from the bad parts of these languages.
 
@MarkGarcia Sorry to hear that. Doubt I can help much beyond offering condolences though...
 
1:41 AM
@JerryCoffin Save that until I become indoctrinated.
 
Unit test build time went from ~15s to over 20s. Now that's making progress!
 
@LucDanton Progress, sure. But for the better or worse?
 
Well nothing appears broken so I can't really tell, can I?
 
@LucDanton Hard for me to even know nothing appeared broken until you thought to mention it... :-)
 
I've kept the unit test but I've made a sweeping implementation change.
 
1:49 AM
@LucDanton Well, if you made a sweeping change and the tests still pass, either the editing was pretty good, or the tests are pretty bad (or both).
Gee, ain't I just a fount of amazing wisdom!
 
This new google doodle is showing some green thingy at the right part...
 
That's what I find funny, in a twisted way. The longer build time is due (I hope) to having more codepaths to test for, that the previous implementation didn't support. I still have this nagging Murphy feeling that nope, this isn't testing what I really care about.
value_type really is meaningless for ranges: what should the value type of zip(a, b) be?
Presumably you'd expect std::tuple<Va, Vb> with the respective value types of a and b but that's kinda annoying to compute from the reference which is std::tuple<Ra, Rb>.
 
@LucDanton Wouldn't it be something like std::tuple<Ra::value_type, Rb::value_type>?
 
@JerryCoffin Maybe he meant something like "V sub a" and "V sub b".
 
Sorry, I meant Ri to be range::Reference<i>. I'm not good at Einstein notation.
 
2:00 AM
Here I'm assuming Ra and Rb are themselves ranges...
 
@MarkGarcia Yes.
 
@LucDanton Oh, okay.
 
Time to wind down and implement transformed ranges. Do I call it map or do I perpetuate the idiosyncratic transform?
 
yiz
depends on whether you keep the orginal copy
transform sounds like a mapping function with the original copy toasted away
 
2:19 AM
@LucDanton That's a tough call -- C++ is about the only thing that calls it transform, but given the number of people who use C++ compared to things like Lisp and Haskell, that still probably means more people are accustomed to transform than map.
 
@LucDanton I'm going to go with map.
 
2:47 AM
3.5G of ccache data, yikes.
@ScottW 3:32 is a little short for an album.
 
Hehehe. Just used array of references. I think I'm indoctrinated by Javascript. :(
 
yiz
I wish PHP is as lazy bum suited as perl
all the handy regex ...
yeah, write me a web page in C++
 
3:02 AM
Do I want to impose single pass on the result of map or not? Let's see what Boost.Range does.
It preserves the category as-is.
 
@yiz Sure; see CPPCMS and/or Wt.
 
@JerryCoffin Qt-like designs. Can't do a ~one-liner HTTP server.
That's what I plan to create. A simple HTTP server library. Too bad. Set backed by work. :(
HTTP is very simple. Why complicate with all the separate classes and stuff? Of course it isn't just all HTTP. You must have the supporting components (URLs, JSON and stuff). Still, why complicate?
 
@MarkGarcia No, both clearly target relatively large, complex web applications.
 
@JerryCoffin Seen the docs. Not convinced.
 
@MarkGarcia It depends on what you're trying to do. Both of them (and many others, such as ASP) are looking at things from a somewhat different direction: HTTP and such are almost incidental. They're simply application frameworks that happen to use HTTP as a transport mechanism for the UI.
@MarkGarcia Certainly your privilege -- and I most certainly didn't claim they were the be-all and end-all of web development. Yiz simply implied that C++ wasn't suited to the task at all, and I was pointing out that people have done web development with it (i.e., not claiming it's good idea, merely pointing to the fact that it's possible).
 
3:15 AM
@JerryCoffin However, with modern web apps tending to have more separation of UI framework (HTML, CSS, Javascript...) and data (DB, server back-end), the facilities provided by these libraries are somewhat still on the server-rendered pages era.
@JerryCoffin I've been thinking this thoroughly for the last few days. C++ is a better prospect for modern web apps. Lots of thoughts that I can't mention it all in chat. :)
 
@MarkGarcia I don't know nearly as much as CppCMS, but that's not true at all of Wt. While it supports server rendering as a fall-back, most of its widgets are primarily Javascript when it's available (and automatically uses AJAX and such to keep most server interaction asynchronous, Comet/WebSockets for server push, etc.)
 
hrm
 
Can Boost.Range even do something like represent the element-wise sum of two ranges? I wanted to do some compilation benchmarks but mind is going blank.
 
@MarkGarcia I don't doubt for a moment that improvements on either of those are possible. I hope you get a chance to do it.
@LucDanton Should be able to do that pretty easily with the binary version of transform.
 
3:30 AM
@JerryCoffin AFAICT that outputs to an iterator. Same as the std version, but saves the caller from calling begin/end.
Eh, I think I need a break. Probably some food too.
 
@LucDanton Oh, you want the output represented as a range instead? In that case, I think you're correct -- it doesn't do it.
 
Things like that (e.g. inconsistency of adaptors vs algorithms) makes me feel not that bad for essentially reinventing Boost.Range.
 
@LucDanton I don't think it's something to feel badly about. I've played Boost.Range a little, but never found it comfortable enough to put to real use.
 
Xeo
Great, my internet connection suddenly dropped for 2 hours :(
 
I thought you felt asleep or something.
@Xeo How do you feel about auto r = map([](int& i) { ++i; }, l); *r.begin(); *r.begin(); in an imperative world?
 
Xeo
3:43 AM
Strange?
Applying twice (multiple times) feels wrong, but being single-pass range also feels (kinda) wrong
 
yiz
Felt asleep ... like asleep but not really coz it's only felt?
 
I feel the same. Esp. considering situations where the input range is RA -- losing that really is a loss I would think.
 
Xeo
Well, I guess what feels strange to me about single-pass is that you call .begin() - not sure single-pass has a true beginning...
Although the beginning might just be the head of the stream (if you think of single-pass in terms of streams)
 
I don't think it's worth trying to enforce iterating at most once over a single-pass anything in C++ though.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Well, RA might still apply - in the forward direction
Kinda strange
If you do reverse(map(...)), you'd only want single-pass in the "backwards" direction
 
3:49 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Have you given thought about this sort of thing for e.g. taussig? Are there properties of sequences or Alexandrescu ranges that cover this?
 
Xeo
The thing is, in a truly functional fashion, you wouldn't care
But when mutating the source elements...
 
@Xeo Careful. There are two things at work here: mutability and eagerness.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Hm, I guess, if you take lazy-evaluation with caching
 
That's what happens with the divide between calling map and 'consuming' the result.
 
Xeo
Yeah, I guess
 
3:53 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but with a GC you can afford not to be eager while still computing an element at most once right?
 
yiz
@JerryCoffin speaking of which I have written webpages using borland C++ before lol
maintaining other people's code
 
yiz
4:07 AM
 
Xeo
Uhm, since you gotta keep track of what elements you already transformed, why'd you need a GC?
i.e., I'm not entirely understanding the premise.
 
@Xeo It's more about 'afford' than 'need'.
I.e. my implementation doesn't use a GC after all. Not that it computes at most once though.
 
yiz
I am using mobile internet on my PC
damn bank website kept on insisting I was using a mobile phone
dumbass
 
4:44 AM
I'm starting to like this idea. Typing ##so book replaces it with book, and that's one of quite a few common links. No more searching :)
And it encourages me to provide link text instead of being lazy and giving the whole link.
 
@LuchianGrigore: "sum+=*++argv[]; should be +=(*sum*,[ar++gv])". Really?
 
wot
Yeah I just saw it
I think he's kidding/trolling
 
@Rapptz I couldn't decide if it was trolling, or he was drinking with cat.
 
Haven't browsed SO main in a long time.
 
Xeo
ugh, time to sleep...
 
5:07 AM
@JerryCoffin lolwut? :D
 
@LuchianGrigore Direct CnP from the comment you've since deleted.
 
@JerryCoffin I know
just having a little fun
 
@LuchianGrigore Not quite like anything I'd seen you post before.
 
Hmmm... weird...
 
@LuchianGrigore Maybe I just haven't noticed previously?
 
5:13 AM
maybe I'm not as funny as I think :(
 
@LuchianGrigore I've seen you post a few funny things, just not ones quite like that.
 
yeah, that's why I deleted it
I re-read it and said to myself... meh...
 
@LuchianGrigore Deleting it didn't make much difference, since the question has now been closed anyway.
 
What do you want from me Jerry?
:))
I'm just lurking on so, leaving comments
and you're here
judging me
tztztz
 
@LuchianGrigore Pretty much what I want from everybody: money and beautiful women.
Oh, and if you don't mind too much, world peace would be nice too.
@ScottW Given enough money, I'm pretty sure nothing would persuade me to use Java.
 
user142019
5:39 AM
Hi.
 
user142019
No idea I have.
 
@JerryCoffin so... money?
 
user142019
The Pursuit of Happyness
 
user142019
Nice movie.
 
user142019
It's the movie title.
 
user142019
5:45 AM
The spelling error is intentional.
 
user142019
I WROTE THAT
 
user142019
^_^
 
user142019
<(^v^)>
 
@JerryCoffin Sorry for taking too long to response (power decided to shut down just to piss me off :P ). I also hope so, though I'm pretty sure the first version of it wouldn't be that great. :)
 
user142019
@ScottW Use Haskell instead of Python.
 
user142019
5:56 AM
They're both general purpose programming languages so who cares? :>
 
user142019
Use Java.
2
 
user142019
And hang yourself from a tree.
 
user142019
If you use PHP, you'd hang a tree from yourself.
 
user142019
@ScottW There is only one possible order.
 
user142019
I'm bored.
 
user142019
6:02 AM
This is a boring day.
 
user142019
Except for Google, where it doesn't matter since they know everything anyway.
 
user142019
What shall I do today.
 
user142019
JavaScript.
 
@ScottW ECMAScript and Javascript. :)
@ScottW Some VB on some older ones, I guess.
@ScottW Doubt it. Though there may be extensions.
But still not likely.
 
user142019
Every modern browser has its own weird dialect of JavaScript that is completely incompatible with all the other ones.
 
6:13 AM
@ScottW Yes. There is also conditional compilation in Javascript (same #ifdefs and #defines as C/C++).
Somewhat Javascript is a cheap mimic of C/C++.
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Q: fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'kernel32.lib, user32.lib, gdi32.lib, winspool.lib, comdlg32.lib'

Muhammad ZiaI am using VS 2010 and i am running a simple opengl program but it give the following error and i am unable to solve it... 1>------ Build started: Project: Assign 1, Configuration: Debug Win32 ------ 1>Build started 5/30/2013 11:00:10 AM. 1>InitializeBuildStatus: 1> Touching "Debug\Assign 1.uns...

> Kindly help me urgent i have to submit my assignment after 1 hour..
^ That question has less than an hour.
 
 
@Feeds Do that for C++.
 
6:45 AM
C++14 - shine on you crazy diamond.
 
@BrettHale @TonyTheLion I assume you will be the first who can clean this up
or is @StackedCrooked around to do it?
 
that pic is fine by me
 
@StackedCrooked it's annoying as hell
 
An ISO group should be established to cut that hair. A working group, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/BS-HAIRCUT-WORKING-GROUP.
 
6:53 AM
@BrettHale Why you! You've made me search that!
I should be ashamed of my self. sigh
 
@MarkGarcia - You did the right thing. If international organisations had any authority, he'd have been sedated and shaved. OTOH - Is their a 'Sampson' effect? Is the comb-over the source of his powers? Maybe it's better to walk away from this one.
 
@BrettHale it is well-known that there is a correlation between a language designer's facial hair, and the success of the language he invents
 
@BrettHale Tell that Scott Meyers who haven't changed his hair style a bit. Programmers really have a way with their hair.
 
@jalf So that means Mr. Stroustrup would grow his facial hair back now that C++ is regaining its place.
 
yiz
7:05 AM
@jalf shows the concentration level
if you look like a model, obviously you didn't spend enough time design the language
all make sense
 
WOW - Scott Meyers! One the Bay City Rollers? The Monkeys? Part of me wants to make fun, but I can't help admire a man who uses the std::random_device to direct the scissors.
 
yiz
@BrettHale lemme whinge to you about this horrible lady at NRMA, she wouldn't allow me to insure my 60 year old fibre house for $175000 because according to her computer, it worths $300000
I can assure you it doesn't
this horrible, ugly blue thing
don't think anyone would tow it away for free
 
@yiz - where's the house? (NRMA - QLD?)
 
yiz
but she wanted me to insure it for $300k no less!
NSW
Sydney
never made a claim on the policy either
 
@yiz - Folks are at a funeral today for a relative. Husband died a while back. Little old fibro house on the Gold Coast on a pretty large piece of land. Land is worth a fortune, even though they have been there for 30, 40 years.
@yiz - careful on new-for-old replacement rather than fixed / market replacement policies.
 
yiz
7:13 AM
insurance is on the house not on the land
the land is on a high, flat ground
quite safe, what I am trying to cover is the public liability
 
Cheap houses are worth less than the land they're on in high density. Yeah - just cover 3rd party liability.
 
yiz
and some cover if ever fire takes place
she just tried to rip me off
too bad I specialized in risk and pricing of financial instruments
anyways, be off the internet for a while laterz
 
@Yiz - How's the industry in NSW?
Bored. Friday evening here. Haven't been out for a few weeks - maybe I should go to the pub for a while before I start turning into a cat lady.
 
Now that we live in the future, do you guys find yourself using auto for half your types?
 
@Mikhail - not as much as I *could*, but I find it particularly useful for complex return values due to template expressions / methods. Good example I used recently: <br> typedef std::default_random_engine::result_type seed_type;

typename std::chrono::system_clock seed_clock;
auto init_seed = static_cast<seed_type>
(seed_clock.now().time_since_epoch().count());
 
7:29 AM
@BrettHale auto manosTheHandleOfFate = mThread->native_handle();
 
Meh, I must submit a closing statement before I leave:
 
Is that... Boba Fett riding a unicorn afront a rainbow?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit - it can win any argument on the internet.
 
7:45 AM
 
mawning
lets move on
 
mornin' to you my king
@LuchianGrigore lol, that guy is a manipulative bastard...
 
user142019
@MarkGarcia Javascript doesn't exist.
 
user142019
It's called JavaScript.
 
@rightfold Then I may have coined the term. :)
 

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