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Xeo
12:00 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahahaha
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Es gibt zwei Merkelplätze
 
@sehe Fuck it, too many.
 
I wasn't done yet :)
Ah, spotted (near Pointless Rave and LandMark)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Heh.. why are there so many 'Merkelplatz'?
 
More importantly, why are Pol Pot and Robert Mugabe in there
 
12:03 AM
@sehe Dunno. Those are parts of town I don't know much about.
But the "Filthy-Syringe Platz" and "Weed Market" are spot on.
 
I just realized something.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't know Amsterdam was a village of Berlin
 
@User17 Spoken like somebody who's never even been to Europe. European countries vary pretty widely in size. There are certainly a few that really are quite small -- but an awful lot (most, really) are also quite a bit more than one quarter the size of most US states.
 
@Pawnguy7 <everybody duck/>
 
Is it me, or did the font I used seem similar to blood on the wall font? :\
 
12:04 AM
@Pawnguy7 Absolutely not. Because I don't see your images. Also: that'd be "scary font"
 
@User17 Yet 740 million live there, not 22. Interesting.
Ahaha, Boar Attacks.
 
@sehe Well, if this 'Berlin' was, (completely, this time:), surrounded by a wall, with minefields, razor-wire, machine-gun towers and a no-mans-land, it sounds like a good place to put Mugabe.
 
Seems a bit of a stretch. Also, so many other missed opportunities
(not to mention Pol Pot is very dead AFAIK)
 
I wonder why he put the Brandenburger Tor, Tiergarten, Reichstag (the real ones are very much in the center) in the southwest corner.
 
That's probably because he had all these "Tor"s already at the right hand side. Balance it a bit
 
12:08 AM
IIRC, the Tiergarten is over there on the real U map.
 
@MartinJames No.
 
Yup.
If he remembers correctly, it is.
But he doesn't
 
Well, OK. TBH, the only time I have visited Berlin was somewhat obscured by a fog of hefeweizen:)
 
My most vivid memory is getting off the S at Tiergarten on a hot day and spotting a large sign draped over the embankment and over a path, 'Biergarten, 200m':)
 
12:15 AM
beer garden?
 
@DeadMG Yes. I spent most of the day there. I took a bit of time off from the beer to go look at the animals in the zoo.
 
@MartinJames s/S/U/
 
@sehe There are both there.
 
Well. Colour me silly
 
There were polar bears staring back at me, 'Huh - another pissed-up British tourist':)
 
12:21 AM
so distinct from all the pissed-up locals.
 
@DeadMG Yeah, LOL!
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, I so wish I hadn't clicked on that:(
 
Just found out, my dad was driving my car, he got into a car accident, the car was totally ruined (lost control because of the wet whether & hit a car on the opposite side), but he's fine
 
@sehe mhm, so what are you saying?
 
Ell
12:33 AM
@User17 I'm glad he is fine :)
That it good news indeed
 
:)
 
@MartinJames I fill your life with excitement.
 
'but he's fine' - OK, so bent metal all round. If you're gonna have an accident, it's a good result:)
 
@sehe std::rethrow_exception isn't allowed to copy the underlying exception object though (just to make things clear)
 
@MartinJames indeed
new car time (although it will be a month or two), no car @ moment - insurance only covers up to a week car rental ...
 
12:35 AM
@sehe what you said about std::current_exception might be true, it isn't required to return a copy
 
'A security and stability update for Firefox has been downloaded and is ready to be installed'. Goodbye everyone, been nice knowing you..
 
Xeo
 
Might get a German car, lol, more durable to head on collision :p
Last one was toyota - flimsy exterior, slow acceleration but very reliable. The only needed done during the car's 10+ year service was changing the battery. tires & oils
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel ow
and the comments hurt
 
12:46 AM
'Thats why php & mysql enough for me' - it would be too much for me.
@User17 Yeah, Toyota. They usually get changed out of boredom:)
50 dead in Kazan, air crash:((
 
@MartinJames It was a good/reliable car & I am not a car fanatic, lol
 
@User17 Heh - my Fiesta 1.4 diesel does not exactly single me out as a petrolhead either. Rightfold finishes projects faster.
 
@MartinJames I spent a couple of summers working on a pit crew for a race car. Never really got into fast street cars much, because after working on a real race car, most of them seemed pretty boring by comparison.
 
1:07 AM
@JerryCoffin Great! My car is a transport machine. No matter how hard I might try, it is not possible to wring any fun out of it.
 
I wanna a tough 4WD, but I don't think I will get one this time
I wanna a huge black 4WD, so I can peeve on the smaller cars
 
@User17 Are there no roads in Australia?
 
roads or not there will always be smaller cars on which I can peeve/intimidate with my huge black 4WD ~ends day dreaming~
 
I have this strange mental image of a carriage pulled by a train of fat magpies.
 
rofl
and yes I did feed the pies this morning
 
1:13 AM
da,m
how the fuck can I have put weight on, seriously.
 
@DeadMG You must have eaten something in a moment of madness.
 
I did.
in fact I did that three times in the last three days.
but even so
a couple pieces of chocolate cake do not six real meals make.
 
Also, after years of suffering, it's gonna be 'OK, we scheduled your surgery but, now you're getting better, we're cancelling it'.
 
lol
definitely not getting better
ah, it'll probably just be that I drank a lot or something.
 
@DeadMG Yeah, that happens.
 
1:20 AM
Hrm.
Boilerplate is not very fun.
 
Yeah, riveting:)
 
Repetitive too.
I feel it should be going much faster.
 
Copy/paste is your friend.
 
Or maybe it has not taken long, but it just feels forever.
@MartinJames yes.
Here is my situation.
 
..though I have to admit it's easy to screw up that way.
 
1:21 AM
This is true.
Has gone well so far though.
Anyway, I am working on a snake clone. I made menu elements, and the ability to have screens/states
But each screen seems to take me over ten minutes.
And it only has three buttons :\
 
@Pawnguy7 The same three buttons?
 
Well.
So far all of them have had a back button.
Different text for some others, I suppose.
Or, say, a number selector.
I don't know how I could have less boilerplate though.
And... it is ugly.
Polishing would take forever.
 
@Pawnguy7 Sometimes there's just no alternative to hard graft with the editor:(
 
Not positive what you mean.
 
1:31 AM
Hard work, seemingly endless typing..
 
@Pawnguy7 Only ten minutes a screen?
you'll only have a few screens in the whole game.
 
Well.
It just feels like the complexity of the ideas and the work required to make it are... very far apart.
And like.
 
that usually means you're using the wrong tools.
 
I need three/four screens to set up multiplayer.
I want to reach it, but it feels so far away.
But it really shouldn't be.
 
hang on, hang on.
show me the code for a couple screens.
 
1:33 AM
I have a monster form of my own to make. Customer wants to select the type and order of fields in a text-file transaction report. It has to be a GUI form so that the users can, well, use it, ie. no format strings:(
 
It probably does not look as bad as it feels.
But like, I am thinking, "press button goes here."
But it takes a while to define where it goes, and finally get it connected.
 
I can see the end-result already. 'User X is complaining that the form does not fit on their screen - make it smaller'. 'User Y is complaining that the font is too small, make the form larger'.
 
well, it's only like 80 loc.
and also, a number of pieces here are duplicated.
 
Much of it is duplication, yes.
 
and I'm going to bet they're dupes in your other screens too.
 
1:37 AM
Most certainly.
 
this is principally because your UI framework is what the fuck.
 
Oh?
 
let's invent an imaginary interface.
let's call this imaginary interface UIElement, after a similar-purpose interface in .NET.
when you lay out the UI, every piece is a UIElement, starting with the root.
 
'update(const ScreenStuff & stuff)' - I can see that this project is getting you down somewhat:)
 
then you have a graph of UIElements.
so let's suggest
 
1:39 AM
@MartinJames yes, that thing is a bit of a mess.
@DeadMG did you train of thought derail?
 
no
merely trying to find the most convenient representation of what it is I wish to say.
I decided to attempt some sample code.
 
It's just in a siding, taking on thoughts..
Cargo manifest: 600 tons of GUI components, 500 boxes of event-handlers, 100,000 rivets..
 
Oh.
And my second point.
Mine is like so.
Then I see stuff like this
How long does it take to make such things?
 
it's not as complex as you might think, most of it is generated by a few simple algorithms.
 
Are you referring to the highlights?
 
1:48 AM
well, virtually all of it.
 
@Pawnguy7 Depends on your tools, liks puppy says. A good form designer and a decent set of GUI components will throw that together in half an hour.
The screen, not the game code:)
 
It seems like every single snake clone looks better than mine...
Even ones with no menu.
 
that's because you're just getting started (also SFML sucks terribly).
 
Getting started in what?
 
@Pawnguy7 here is mine --> @ <--- Feel better now?
 
1:51 AM
programming worth a damn.
ah btw
what is the prototype of the event() function you called on the button and the text?
ah never mind.
 
event?
EventQueue?
 
The thing that fires when you hit a button.
 
Um.
The update on inputs takes mouse position and the events.
If it determines (in this case) a click was made, it fires the handler.
Or.. callback.
 
it's bad.
 
Do tell.
 
1:54 AM
you should only send the click event to the UI element if you have already determined an attempt to click it was made.
 
Oh dear...
 
Elements determine if they are activated.
 
yes, but they don't determine that they are not activated if a click occurs outside their boundaries.
that's a fact of the system.
 
Not positive what you mean.
Active state has not been a problem thus far.
 
what I mean is, you don't ever activate any button, ever, if the user clicks somewhere completely different.
 
1:57 AM
No. Why would you?
 
hence, the Button doesn't really make any decision.
if the click is outside the Button's bounds, then it's not activated.
it's simpler for everyone if you control this directly rather than expect every handler to check the bounds.
 
Um.
Have you seen my button?
 

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