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Feb 11, 2019 17:43
@NicholasK This has now been fixed, and the votes invalidated. We've also followed up on the inappropriate comments, because there were quite a few flags there. Wanted to let you know, because it's not always visible when we're acting on reports like this. I'm hoping that's the end of this.
Dec 22, 2017 22:34
@rene OK, I'll point the flagger here to use this discussion as a reference. I generally don't delete upvoted duplicates with decent answers, but I'm not going to override you on this one.
Dec 22, 2017 21:52
@rene - Is there a particular reason this upvoted duplicate with a decent answer was deleted? stackoverflow.com/questions/47907342/… . Someone has registered a protest that this was deleted, and I'm leaning towards undeleting it.
Oct 17, 2017 14:10
@Magisch Ah, I think I need to use a superping. Sent one now.
Oct 17, 2017 14:06
@Magisch I sent you an invite, but I'm not sure if that will work for a private room. I don't exercise chat features often, so let me know if you can't get in.
Oct 4, 2017 18:20
I get the feeling this may not end with the suspension.
Oct 4, 2017 18:20
@MartinJames I gave them a day off, since they seemed to ignore Ed's polite warning. They keep doing this when they're back, flag again and we'll escalate. I am pleasantly surprised that no reviewer approved one of these edits: stackoverflow.com/users/6331156/jonathan-cedric?tab=activity
Oct 4, 2017 18:15
@j08691 - Know you haven't been around here lately, but I wanted to get it back to you that you were totally right in your comments here: stackoverflow.com/q/46570217/19679 . Only saw that because flags were piling up in the comments, but if you catch something fishy like that in the future, let us know via a custom flag. I was able to clean up a bunch of accounts / garbage at the same time as a result of your inklings about what was going on there.
 

C#

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Jul 18, 2018 14:49
Your past behavior colors the present, because you don't seem to learn from this.
Jul 18, 2018 14:48
You walk into a bar, start causing a problem with the regulars, and they kick you out, don't be surprised when they respond poorly when you return.
Jul 18, 2018 14:45
Jul 18, 2018 14:44
and so on, and so on.
Jul 18, 2018 14:44
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Jul 18, 2018 14:38
@J.Doe - Please take the hint that people do not want you to participate in this chatroom. Our patience with you is exhausted. If we are called in again for you disrupting a room, you will no longer be welcome to participate on Stack Overflow.
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Mar 14, 2018 21:09
How many of those 54 nominations were Evan Carroll? — mmyers Feb 5 '16 at 1:25
Mar 14, 2018 21:00
I also wish more people could see some of the mod message responses Tim Post and Ed Cottrell have written. People spew obscenities at them, they write an incredibly thoughtful and kind message back, and you get shocked when the other person apologizes and reforms.
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Mar 14, 2018 20:55
One of the most valuable lessons I learned from watching Bill the Lizard moderate was how to de-escalate situations. Sometimes you have to let people take shots at you and you just have to walk away. Know that every single word you type publicly will be examined and used against you. Bill was a master of this.
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Mar 14, 2018 20:35
Tim Post was just a hair above 10k when he was elected, and Adam Lear was squarely below that (8k?). They were two of the best moderators (now employees) the site has seen.
Mar 14, 2018 20:02
Candidate score is but the latest heuristic that has been tried to express some kind of moderator qualification. Before that, helpful flag counts were exposed and everyone hooked onto that. Before the moderator-related badge requirements were in place, people fixated on reputation score. People like having numbers to look at. But those numbers don't always tell the full story.
Mar 14, 2018 17:34
Some of that discussion is being had in questions like this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307585/…
Mar 14, 2018 17:26
There definitely is a trend toward more automation, which in general has been a positive, but I do like to keep a human in the loop at some point. It at least gives a second opinion on something.
Mar 14, 2018 17:21
@Makoto Was that here? That turned out to be a screwup on our end, not the user's fault. Fun fact: they currently have a 99.92% helpful rate on flags.
Mar 14, 2018 17:13
If automation is going awry, it's usually easy to pick it out (almost always due to someone blindly flagging in response to a simple query). I can't think of many cases where someone is flagging with a high degree of accuracy, yet shows anything problematic in that. Occasional misses, sure, but declined flags are usually enough to stop those.
Mar 14, 2018 17:09
@rene If you don't think you'd have the time or the desire to handle flags, I get it. However, if you think it's because you're not qualified, I'd beg to differ.
Mar 14, 2018 16:14
Moderators come from the community because we understand and care about maintaining the great resource that is Stack Overflow. One of things I personally find important is maintaining trust in the voting system. I want to make sure that you can be sure that something received votes not because someone's friends all voted for them or because they created falsified accounts to vote for themselves. Because we know the site well, we can spot when voting just doesn't look right and investigate.
Mar 14, 2018 16:07
@AbdeslemCharif You were first warned about a rule violation for what happened on June 21, 2017: stackoverflow.com/users/4284170/abdeslem-charif?tab=reputation and then when we found this same behavior again on March 2 you were suspended. It is one of our jobs to preserve the integrity of the voting system. We did warn you first before temporarily suspending your account. If this doesn't happen again, you have nothing to worry about.
 

SOBotics

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Jan 9, 2018 17:09
I've been trying to mark these as helpful, unless I see zero indication of the voting behavior you describe. However, two or three of them this morning looked like coincidental voting, so I added a reply to those helpful flags to point out which ones those were.
Jan 9, 2018 17:08
@Magisch In addition to what Martijn said, re-reviewing this flag caused us to find a significant puppet master who has been annoying us for years. They have now lost over 1700 points of reputation, hundreds of votes have been invalidated, and this gave us the excuse to toss the master off the site for good. So it ended up being pretty helpful.
Aug 10, 2017 16:07
@Magisch That seems cleaner now. I hit a few false positives in a random sampling, but a much lower rate than before.
Aug 10, 2017 16:03
@Magisch Yeah, I'm seeing some pretty good hits here. A few false positives, but not as frequent as with the other query.
Aug 10, 2017 15:10
Voting rings also do more damage to the site than single bursts of serial voting. Frankly, I'm not as concerned with one person voting for another person five times, but five people all voting for the same content by the same five people can screw things up.
Aug 10, 2017 15:08
Again, trying to look for patterns like the one above, which the serial voting script does a particularly poor job of handling.
Aug 10, 2017 15:08
@Magisch Ah, that's a bummer. Is there a way to refine this to look for people who within a day received X * Y votes on X posts? I'm looking for integral multiples of 2 or more votes per post.
Aug 10, 2017 15:03
Literally my first check when reviewing these is to see if the accounts that are voting for one another have the same name.
Aug 10, 2017 14:52
^^ This is the kind of pattern I'm talking about above.
Aug 10, 2017 14:52
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Aug 10, 2017 14:50
@Magisch I don't know if there's an easy way to refine to this, but a clear pattern I've seen in voting rings is where someone receives the exact same number of upvotes in a day on multiple questions. For example, they'd get three upvotes each on five different questions, all from puppets or members of their ring. Voting rings tend to coordinate in this manner, and I wonder if there's a way to query for that.
Aug 10, 2017 14:43
@Magisch Worked through some of the ones in the 20+ votes area, found 7 voting rings or puppet masters in the list, which is pretty good. Roughly a third to a half seem to be false positives, though. It looks like it's firing on subject matter experts who leave a series of good answers in an area. They naturally get votes for bursts of good answers. Don't know how to filter that out.
 

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Dec 11, 2017 19:06
As a warning, it has been flagged that multiple members of this chatroom have been participating in a voting ring. If we find this to be the case, the votes will be invalidated and we may hand out suspensions. Attempting to hide this behavior behind non-English chat may lead to this entire room being deleted and further suspensions.
 

 Android Era with Kotlin and Java

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Sep 27, 2017 15:17
In response to a series of flags, moderators have found many instances of racist and homophobic slurs being thrown around in this room. Frankly, some of the things that have been posted are downright vile. At least one user responsible has been suspended from chat, but this needs to stop immediately. Y'all are on very thin ice here.
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Sep 14, 2017 14:20
@Asperger This isn't really an appropriate thing to ask for. Telling someone to just answer something so that you can give them an arbitrary bounty isn't a proper use of the bounty system. It also isn't respectful to Isma, who had provided you an answer a while ago. I've deleted this new answer as a result.
 
Jul 28, 2017 19:16
In the last day, moderators have closed or deleted over 350 posts, and there's no way we could possibly have the time to review a downvote someone cast about each one of those actions.
Jul 28, 2017 19:09
Because every single person who has a question closed, post deleted, sock puppet deleted, voting ring removed, insult deleted, and on and on will downvote the moderator responsible. All that will do is discourage moderators from actually moderating.
Jul 28, 2017 19:07
@johnywhy So on top of all the flags we have to handle, we'd need to review potentially thousands of votes a day on every other moderator? No thanks.
Jul 28, 2017 14:24
As it is, moderators are subject to voting by members who are angry at our actions, although not through official channels. I've been serially downvoted nearly 20 times in the last couple of years, and other moderators have been hit much harder.
Jul 28, 2017 14:21
Every single question a moderator closed or deleted, or every non-answer we delete, would lead to a downvote by the person who posted it. Given that they were deleted, regular members wouldn't see them to upvote our actions. Yesterday, I dealt with a 10+ member voting ring whose members were very upset that they lost their coordinated votes. How do you think they'd vote on my actions?
Jul 28, 2017 14:19
@johnywhy The idea of voting on individual moderator actions has been brought up repeatedly on Meta.SO and Meta.SE in the past. While it sounds like a way for the community to provide feedback on problems, in reality it would highly discourage us from doing what needs to be done and would break the moderation system. Most moderator actions are only visible to the person we're acting on, not the community at large who might benefit from us stopping a spammer, troll, etc.
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Jul 27, 2017 21:55
Not that I'm aware of, but I could be wrong.
Jul 27, 2017 21:45
Personal choice, mainly. Different people are around at different times, so we handle things as we come across them. If there's a Python issue that I think Martijn could better handle, I might ping him about it, and so on.