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12:00 PM
@thecoshman What's up?
 
@TonyTheLion hint: It's a week day
I need to sort something out
 
oh :(
 
tuple_size is something you pass a std::tuple to, right?
 
Just when I thought I had fixed all tests, another one is broken
 
@ThePhD you pass a type to it, no?
 
12:02 PM
@ThePhD wth is tuple_size? Can't sizeof give you the answer?
 
@rubenvb number of elements in a tuple :/ duh.
 
You know
this indices trick worked befor4
 
@sehe "Let's stop at '*-c-r' variations" is pretty easy to figure out !
 
Why is this thing crapping its pants
 
@TonyTheLion just be glad you don't see shit like if unit test, return true
 
12:04 PM
lol
no, that would be depressing
 
@sehe You could :D
 
@LucDanton :)
 
@rubenvb lol the periods didn't get parsed
 
@rubenvb and how is that related to tuple_size, again?
 
12:06 PM
@BartekBanachewicz number of variadic args. You can get a quick and dirty tuple_size out of that.
 
@BartekBanachewicz This is the url he meant
 
@rubenvb It can template<typename... T> size_t my_sizeof(std::tuple<T>&&...) { return sizeof...(T); } - quick and dirty?
 
@sehe yeah, and then perhaps a tuple mixed in there somewhere to "extract" the its template arguments.
 
I think that's what tuple_size does anyway
 
12:07 PM
@rubenvb cough. sorry
 
I would've written it up but you guys kept spamming me
 
@Rapptz %46
@rubenvb no need to keep giving us attention :)
 
template<typename... ArgTypes> constexpr size_t tuple_size(const std::tuple<Args...>&) { return sizeof...(ArgTypes); }
That might do.
 
Indeed. Use the one for variadic packs, the other for tuples.
 
Maybe
 
12:09 PM
On that note. Let me make a short announcement. I've come to the conclusion that I'm spending too much time on SO. And I'm tired. I need to regroup. I'm planning on dropping out of SO for at least a month. This will include this nice room.
26
 
Next year?
 
@sehe Aw. I've already missed you on some days.
 
@sehe o_0 you could just you know, cut down.
 
On the practical side, feel free to appoint someone else as room owner (temporarily!!! lol)
 
@sehe no! :/
 
12:10 PM
@thecoshman He is. For a month.
 
@LucDanton (that was a holiday, and I noticed I got spare time that I think I needed)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's not what I meant
 
@sehe If you make me room owner, you'll be very sure to be extremely appreciated when you come back. :D
 
Go have fun.
 
Go fun, have!
Live it up.
 
12:11 PM
@ThePhD Lol. I do realize that, I suppose I have privileges to do so. However, I'll leave it to the other owners :)
 
@sehe well, take care man. Don't leave it too long... shall we scorn you if you try to come back with in the month?
 
@LucDanton I'm a bit ambivalent. I like it here. Perhaps a bit too much :)
 
@sehe yeah, don't forget to come back :'(
 
I won't forget to come back. I can't imagine.
 
Well, wherever you are, I hope you'll have a blast sehe. :D
 
12:13 PM
I'll have trouble using SO, though; I always feel bad when I use SO without upvoting helpful posts. I take any amount of trouble to log on just to upvote (sometimes even only after I get back to my own computer).
 
as for the room owner thing, I don't think we really need to provide a replacement, there are enough European owners IMO.
 
You guys seem to think I'm gonna have a party! What is this place then? Prison?!
 
@sehe Well, it is where several people are held captive.
 
@sehe Tired is not good, look forward to seeing you in a month
 
To keep the rest of SO safe.
 
12:14 PM
@sehe sort of... it's like a tormenting hell; it takes your favourite thing and turns it against you into your must agonising torture
 
Wokay. Then. Perhaps it is time to act accordingly, since I announced it and all (why take the usual 3-hour delay when going to bad).
 
Hmm
 
Xeo
See you in a month (hopefully) :)
 
Bye sehe. :(
 
Well then, take care, behave, be nice, solve world poverty and see you in the future!
(say hi to @Rakkun and @sbi and probably some others :) for me)
 
12:16 PM
Hello People
 
@rakkun @sbi @sehe says hi, he's on hiatus for a month.
 
@sehe Viel Spaß.
 
@sehe :(
 
@TonyTheLion to late for that bud, he's gone!
 
:(
Maybe I'll go on hiatus too
for 5 mins
LOL
 
12:20 PM
taking a shit?
 
Chat from mobile!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh right sure, nice one
 
to be fair, I could do without grunt by grunt updates
 
12:21 PM
what?
 
never mind, just go enjoy shitting
 
lol
 
I've got a "how-to" question (for concept) any help is appreciated.
I need to pass all links(browsing web) to pass through a address (as proxy) . How to do that? I means what might be concept?
 
Go to Lounge<HTTP>
 
@Rapptz you forgot to link to the leave this room page :P
 
user142019
12:24 PM
1) Terrible question.
2) http://loungecpp.wikidot.com/owners:newbie-hints
3) Offensive avatar.
4) ???
5) Get out.
 
> Offensive avatar.
ahahahahaah
 
Dang, I guess I did.
 
ITT Java is offensive.
 
@TonyTheLion s/ITT //
 
user142019
12:25 PM
HEY DON'T USE THE J WORD.
 
@rightfold suck it
 
We should put that in the newbie hints
 
user142019
I prefer to be sucked.
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion Pointless; nobody reads them anyway.
 
I did when I joined. :(
 
user142019
12:26 PM
Me too!
 
HUH.. what rule?
 
user142019
That giant bold message on the right.
 
user142019
Apr 29 at 14:30, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Welcome to your new favourite place! Please read the newbie hints so that you can feel at home.
 
It's in bold and on the starboard
Hard to miss really.
 
Yea, I've known that..
 
12:28 PM
We, the Lounge regulars, are offended at the mention, hint of, implicit use of Java, any and all descendants, and questions regarding this, therefore any mention of it will be binned.
 
@ErBnAcharya I've got a question that I ask most newcomers, and which no one seems willing to answer. Care to take a shot at it?
 
bah, I predate those plebian newbie rules
 
... I think something in my head snapped...
 
@thecoshman lol
@ThePhD was it a twig?
 
Huh, That' my avatar?
 
12:29 PM
@ErBnAcharya What is it that makes a person go "I have a problem related to HTTP and proxies. I should ask for help. I know I could use Stack Overflow, the internet's biggest programming Q&A site, where literally thousands of programmers will see my question and answer it within 3 minutes... But I think I would rather go to a C++ chat room with perhaps 10 active people, and ask them."
2
 
user142019
> And no PHP or Java questions, no matter what. They will be binned and you will be deemed annoying. See #1.
 
we all need this ^
 
#idontgetit
 
@rightfold oh right.
 
user142019
12:30 PM
Hurray.
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Answer to all questions: Don't join Lounge<C++>
 
@Xeo Yea, something like that
 
@TonyTheLion actually, it is... well, the guide for asking questions anyway
 
what?
 
1 min ago, by rightfold
> And no PHP or Java questions, no matter what. They will be binned and you will be deemed annoying. See #1.
I was just slow :P
 
12:32 PM
yea
 
@jalf, How to put it this way, "I have a question, I just want to have conversation or get some views about my question, or I cant express my question (the way other people understand)".
 
... Hm.
 
@ErBnAcharya rubber duck
 
Yea, I am in C++ room because I am doing c++.
 
user142019
12:33 PM
@thecoshman Stainless steel duck.
 
@ErBnAcharya but your question itself was not about C++
@rightfold o_0 do you know what the rubber duck is?
 
... All the magic of C++ is gone...
 
user142019
I know that there's those pointless yellow ducks people use in baths.
 
Yea, But I am going to implement a server using c++. (I said I didnt put it the way people understand) :(
 
user142019
Your server will fail under high load.
 
12:34 PM
@ErBnAcharya Why not go outside and approach a random stranger on the street? Maybe they'll give you some views on your question.
 
user142019
nginx will run circles around your server, because nginx is web scale.
 
lol
 
really
 
@jalf "excuse me sir, I'd like to discuss HTTP"
nailed it.
 
What is it about this particular chat room which makes you think "this is exactly the right place to discuss HTTP"?
 
12:34 PM
@ThePhD Try doing something possible.
 
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@jalf I would laugh my ass off if a random stranger asked me a C++ question on the street.
 
@jalf probably the high levels of activity, most of the time
 
@TonyTheLion But the internet, and the rest of teh world, is full of high levels of activity
 
@Xeo FWIW, it seems like old-style typedef .... type std::enable_if's are broken when trying to do the trick you showed me with the original cleave.
 
12:35 PM
Reddit has high levels of activity, Facebook has high levels of activity. A shopping street has high levels of activtiy
And yet people gravitate towards this room
 
@rightfold you never heard of rubber ducking a problem? by talking your problem through with a (traditionally) rubber duck you will usually explain your self into an answer.
 
user142019
Oh yes I've heard of that.
 
Rubber Duck Debugging
 
@thecoshman Note that it has to be a rubber duck, or the trick won't work.
 
user142019
Never done it though.
 
12:36 PM
@jalf I was talking about people looking for an SO chat to ask programmer questions.
 
user142019
I don't like to talk to inanimate objects or animals (so certainly not inanimate objects modeled after animals).
 
@rightfold ¬_¬ not surprised
 
What does these dotted line indicate (betn chats??)
 
@rightfold freak
 
What dotted lines?
 
user142019
12:37 PM
@ErBnAcharya That there are new messages below that line that you haven't read since you last had the tab open.
 
Oh that one
 
@TonyTheLion Sure, but why look for a SO chat at all? Why not SO proper? Why not gamedev.net? Why not one of the countless IRC channels devoted to programming
 
user142019
 
@Rapptz Meh. I guess so.
 
@jalf have problem => SO => think you are more important then anybody else => chat => nearly every room is empty => room 10 takes the brunt of it => rage => someone cries => happy again
 
12:39 PM
@jalf I don't know, perhaps the same reason why noob computer users don't use Google to fix their problems.
 
@Xeo if you use an MSVC-style DisableIf, it breaks (change the enable_if declaration): coliru.stacked-crooked.com/…
On MSVC, using enable_if directly still doesn't save it through
 
user142019
@thecoshman => get plonked and trolled => butthurt => whine on meta => get trolled even more => flag everyone => get banned by Flexo
 
@TonyTheLion how do I google google without google
 
posted on May 13, 2013 by Herb Sutter

Unnecessary and/or temporary objects are frequent culprits that can throw all your hard work — and your program’s performance — right out the window. How can you spot them and avoid them?   Problem JG Question 1. What is a temporary object? Guru Question 2. You are doing a code review. A programmer has written […]

posted on May 13, 2013 by Herb Sutter

Effective reuse is an important part of good software engineering. To demonstrate how much better off you can be by using standard library algorithms instead of handcrafting your own, let’s reconsider the previous question to demonstrate how many of the problems could have been avoided by simply reusing what’s already available in the standard library. […]

 
@rightfold => everybody wins
 
12:39 PM
Feeds spam.
 
@thecoshman lmgtfy :)
 
@thecoshman the fuck?!!!
 
user142019
Herb Sutter is in this room but he doesn't know.
 
user142019
I'm listening to music in 1080p.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I should try that next time.
 
12:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes on some chick, prolly (with s/sir/lady/)
 
@TonyTheLion I have seen people use the fire fox google search bar, to search google, to search for google.co.uk
 
I tried TCP/IP before, and it did not work.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes once you go UDP you never go back
 
@thecoshman yep, not that uncommon, I've seen it too. The most annoying one is people mixing up Windows and Internet Explorer, imho
 
user142019
HTTP/IP
 
user142019
12:42 PM
Use HTTP as a transport protocol.
 
user142019
Most inefficient network ever.
 
@jalf 13,380,000,000 results
holy crap
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion 1.880.000.000 here
 
its kind of crazy
 
user142019
Or 13,390,000,000.
 
12:43 PM
@rightfold except http is based on the assumption that stuff can be magically transferred. It only considers what needs to be transferred
 
user142019
Depending on whether I google "google" from google or from lmgtfy.
 
magic.
You could use Yahoo to find Google
 
user142019
Let Me Google That For Myself
 
or Bing
or duckduckgo
 
user142019
Jíbìng is the Chinese word for disease.
 
user142019
12:45 PM
DuckDuckGo isn't too bad but it's slow.
 
~~~~security~~~~~
 
user142019
What is nice music to listen to?
 
@rightfold metal
 
metal;
 
@rightfold I am listening to Beethoven's 9th ATM
 
user142019
12:46 PM
@TonyTheLion Obviously, but what song.
 
which can be also considered metal.
 
In Flames
 
I am listening to girly music.
 
@TonyTheLion dat timing :P
 
@rightfold "Death to All But Metal" by Steel Panther
 
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12:46 PM
@TonyTheLion Ok. Listening now.
 
I'm listening to a completely random playlist with a bit of everything
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, you would be wrong
 
@rightfold that's a name of the band not a song
 
@rightfold :)
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion Not bad so-far.
 
12:47 PM
Currently, a song from the BSG soundtrack
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz I know.
 
user142019
 
The only nice thing in In Flames is their choice of guitars
 
@rightfold Good song :)
 
I don't like them really.
 
12:47 PM
meh
They're among my favorite bands
 
user142019
I like them really.
 
They're like Dragonforce.
 
Great now the debugger crashed.
 
user142019
DragonForce are fucking terrible.
 
just no punch whatsoever
 
user142019
12:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe you should debug it with a debugger.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, just debug the debugger obviously.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes debugception?
@BartekBanachewicz except in flames can play :P
 
user142019
I'm going to run Valgrind through Valgrind.
 
@rightfold I'm listening to The Veils.
 
@thecoshman what? Dragonforce also plays on Ibanez guitars. Which basically means they can play
Well, they can shred, that is.
 
user142019
12:49 PM
Valgrind better install within thirty minutes because I have a meeting.
 
because the concept of knowing how to play is elusive
 
user142019
Not that Homebrew fails when going into stand-by mode while building.
 
user142019
Oh it's already done LOL.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Dragonforce (as much as I do actually like listening to them on occasion) cannot play there own songs. They record short bursts, and mix them together. They can not play live with out a dozen more performers in the wings
 
@thecoshman that's because their own songs are absurdly hard to play
 
12:51 PM
If a band cannot play it's own songs, then fail
 
@BartekBanachewicz impossible FTFY
 
uh, not really.
 
user142019
~ [ valgrind valgrind valgrind echo 'Hello, world!'                   ] 2:51 pm
==62925== Memcheck, a memory error detector
==62925== Copyright (C) 2002-2012, and GNU GPL'd, by Julian Seward et al.
==62925== Using Valgrind-3.8.1 and LibVEX; rerun with -h for copyright info
==62925== Command: valgrind valgrind echo Hello,\ world!
==62925==
valgrind: You cannot run 'valgrind' directly.
valgrind: You should use $prefix/bin/valgrind.
 
user142019
Meh. :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz I know that Through the Fire and the Flames is the hardest song on Guitar Hero.
 
12:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
user142019
It's also one of the hardest to listen to because it makes your ears bleed.
 
@thecoshman no, guitar pros (and I mean pros not wannabies like Dragonforce itself or In flames) can play them without much problems
 
user142019
Nah, they have worse songs.
 
@BartekBanachewicz my point is, they can not perform there own songs. It's not even a question of being able to get through an entire track as recorded, it's that it requires more people then actually in the band to play.
 
12:53 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like playing guitar hero, but it has little in common with real guitar play
 
One last question before I pack it in and pass out...
 
@ThePhD wimp
 
@thecoshman can a lead violinist perform a symphony?
 
Yea real guitar playing hurts your fingertips :/
 
@TonyTheLion only at the beginning.
 
12:53 PM
@BartekBanachewicz do they claim to be the entire symphony?
 
if I had a std::tuple<int, int, int>, is it possible to get out a variadic parameter pack from that tuple?
 
I have no pain sensons in my left-hand fingers whatsoever
 
@BartekBanachewicz not playing hard enough :P
 
@thecoshman they claim to be power metal band, which often uses orchestra backings
 
user142019
Let's see whether I can debug LLDB using LLDB.
 
Xeo
12:54 PM
@ThePhD std::get<Is>(t)...
 
@thecoshman or maybe playing hard enough. I just don't feel much pain + the skin gets thicker and harder
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
 
@Xeo Okay... so I could decltype that?
 
12:55 PM
I really don't understand the hate behind "they can't play some songs live"
 
Xeo
@ThePhD A pack is not a single type.
 
it's not a goddamn 3-chord punk, deal with it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
@Xeo Shit...
 
@BartekBanachewicz s/some/any/
and they don't just use backing stuff, they actually have to simplify their songs
 
12:56 PM
@thecoshman everyone does that.
 
and I will restate, I do actually like their work :P
 
except, as I said, guitar pros
 
@thecoshman s/there/their
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, most artists put in the extra bit of hard work to make the live stuff even better
 
@thecoshman I love how you say "extra bit of hard work" without giving it a thought
 
user142019
12:57 PM
I'm going crazy.
 
have you ever played any instrument live?
 
@Xeo Can I parameter unpack an expression that uses decltype with a variadic parameter pack in it?
E.g., something like...
 
Xeo
Huh?
 
decltype( std::get<Is>( t ) )...
 
@BartekBanachewicz Objection, your honour. Relevance?
 
12:57 PM
@BartekBanachewicz yes, but not for a few years. Though I fail to see any relevance, but carry on
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes looking for personal experience in the subject
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Ya. Not sure what you're going to do with it, though, except pass it to std::tuple<decltype(...)...> :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)
 
Point is, live will always sound worse than studio, and there are a lot of factors that impact the play
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh man, can't wait till you get your gift
 
12:59 PM
what is it that you so desperately want to give Robot?
 
...
Mmm...
 
You've made me curious now
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes and no. The audio quality will not be as good, but what they are playing should be at least as good.
 
@Xeo Perhaps it's just MSVC, but that's failing on me.
 
@TonyTheLion Now wonder how I feel.
 
12:59 PM
So I think I tank for now.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Buggyadics
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :/
 
@TonyTheLion I'd tell you, but then I would have to send you a bomb too
 
Xeo
For fucks sake
 
user142019
It's cold.
 
12:59 PM
@thecoshman It's not a silly joke, like a burned book or something, is it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :) it's worth it... shouldn't take too long to get there.
 
@thecoshman you could just satisfy my curiosity and email me.
 

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