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01:39
room topic changed to HTML/CSS: Support room for newest web technologies (HTML5, CSS3) and related ones (JS, DOM) (no tags)
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so many people already!
can I be an owner?
I have knowledge of both
html and css
Me too
01:44
extensive
yay you made a room
starred!
hmm
i'm an owner already :P :)
cool
the more the heavier
wink
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@Johann no offense but i don't know you :P
I am big on website development.
And perl.
01:46
i parse HTML with RegEx so.. it's only natural to be the owner of those 2 rooms :PPP
@Wes so?
Does anyone in here know Perl? =oP
me
derp
is there some kind of room for it because I would be interested
user652649
@Johann that's not the point. you are not trusted (yet?) on my eyes
read that in Game of Thrones voice
...
processing trust...
user652649
01:53
@Johann 0.01% complete
Trust is measured in the amount of good on-topic memes you can post on a recurring basis.
3
hmm
insta-star
user652649
you won the first starred message
or... what just happened ^
^ anybody gonna bash me for that?
01:56
is this only for HTML5 and CSS3? or is it also for HTML and CSS
user652649
noooo
should be also
@kaᵠ that right there is known as the star of shame
user652649
feel free to correct the title/desc if you wish
I call em irony stars
@Wes ok, wait...
@Wes already on it
ohh well... or that @uınbɐɥs
I don't think we should have related JS and DOM, it would conflict with JS room and just add noise to the room of people coming for JS help. If people happen to use JS in their code related to their HTML/CSS then fine, but putting in desc would attract stupid people. What do you guys think?
room topic changed to HTML/CSS: Support room for newest web technologies (HTML5, CSS3) and related ones (JS, DOM) [css] [css3] [html] [html5]
hrm
02:00
right on @crypticツ
user652649
what's the syntax for to set a label to a link here?
talking about in the desc?
Hyper Text Markup Language / Cascading Style Sheets
user652649
no as a chat message <a href="http://google.com">Google</a> <-like that
[label](URL)
user652649
02:02
k thanks
@wes [text... ^
whatwg ? damn
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@crypticツ btw (html)dom is strictly related to html, so we could include that also
DOM / DHTML / CSS* / XHTML* / HTML*
but no JS, there's a room for that
user652649
02:06
dhtml lol
user652649
i agree, no js, but dom yes
...
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room topic changed to HTML/CSS: Support room for newest web technologies (HTML5, CSS3) and related ones (JS, DOM) [css] [css3] [dom] [html] [html5]
js still in desc @Wes
user652649
it's ok in the desc no? it's still tangentially related
02:11
yes
it's not
if it were, so would php, asp, etc, btw, brb, ttl
:P
and perl
nope, not perl
btw the perl chatroom is now called =~
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room topic changed to HTML/CSS: Support room for newest web technologies (HTML5, CSS3) and related ones (DOM, microdata) [css] [css3] [dom] [html] [html5] [microdata]
user652649
02:14
i'm already tired of maintaining this room.
haha
microformats, good call
2 messages moved to =~
@kaᵠ wat
howdy
user652649
02:25
hello
@Xarcell hi
sorry, I don't.
mostly CSS & HTML
You should try the perl room, rather than the HTML/CSS
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room topic changed to HTML/CSS: Don't ask to ask, just ask - Support room for newest web technologies (HTML5, CSS3) and related ones (DOM, microdata) [css] [css3] [dom] [html] [html5] [microdata]
@Johann dude, enough! wait in your room for people knowing perl, give it time
lol @Wes cool
question
why is it that with responsive design, max-width is preferred over min-width?
02:27
@kaᵠ It is a new room I need interest before it shuts down
with the media queries that is.
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stop spamming around please
02:28
you invited me to the trash can
you know that is taboo around here
@Johann you get automatically invited to a room if your message is moved there
@uınbɐɥs shh...
@Xarcell not sure, i prefer min-width personally
me too, especially if your designing mobile first.
exactly
user652649
02:33
@Xarcell do you mean min-width/max-width of media queries or the css property
media queries
user652649
depends how you design your stylesheets responsive stack. youtube.com/watch?v=-BVmrSG93XE
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btw i personal prefer min-width but the point is developing for small devices first
I'm trying to turn my blogger into responsive design
it's been a chalenge
looks decent on screenfly emulating other divices, but looks terrible on windows 7 phone
user652649
02:49
@Xarcell start the css from scratch, build first the mobile version, with single column... then make a variation of this, making the two column layout, and so on
yeah, and you have to work around the layout interface.
modernizr ever give you problems?
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no, but i don't actually use heavy modernizer driven code, i prefer to style/script the same for every device
I've never used it, because i'm a minimal http request freak.
nice
great asset for mobile dev
hard to keep http requests low on blogger though. too many files used that I have no control over.
another question. I have a element with several position;absolute elements within it(using masonry). I'm trying to center it, but display:table & display:inline-block move the content to the center, but then it bleeds off to the right.
any other ways to center the wrapper, but maintain responsiveness?
because the child elements are position:absolute, the parent element has no width.
user652649
03:09
@Xarcell code? link? you could use width:200px;margin:0 auto; to center it
I even tried fit-content
I'm using jquery with masonry which placing the elements with position:absolute. If I set a fixed with, then the child elements will not be placed into multiple columns.
user652649
@Xarcell holy crap. better if you start again from scratch
why?
user652649
it's a total disaster! :P
why? please be more specfic. what is wrong?
user652649
03:26
it's wrong nearly everything, because you used heavy and unnecessary css for a relatively simple layout. drop fauxcolumn whatever is it, drop ie6 support, don't use absolute/relative positioning unless really necessary, don't use fixed widths, use media queries instead
user652649
@kaᵠ stealing messages? =oP
bouncing back and forth
All your messages are belong to us
03:56
@kaᵠ What's in those messages?
@uınbɐɥs it was just 'bounce'... I bounced it to regex and back and then to regex again
/testing
test
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user652649
chat.stackoverflow.com error 503: service is unavailable because of @kaᵠ
@kaᵠ I mean, how do you make them blank?

hmm
@uınbɐɥs hex char 11, fast way to delete undeletables
04:04
@kaᵠ Ah... DC1
Hello Everyone :)
@pibcat hi
yellowe
how is it going?
04:06
im working on a styling issue
thought of getting some help from you guys
if you have some time
user652649
@pibcat Don't ask to ask, just ask :P
@pibcat check room description ^ :)
I'm getting the feeling that's useless on any room, better use that space for other meaningful stuff @Wes @crypticツ
I have asp.net web app
everything working fine in all browsers
but IE7 and IE8
@kaᵠ Can we make it bold?
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04:10
the styling not applied to site in IE7 and IE8
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room topic changed to HTML/CSS: Don't ask to ask, just ask - Support room for newest web technologies (HTML5, CSS3) and related ones (DOM, microdata) [css] [css3] [dom] [html] [html5] [microdata]
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room topic changed to HTML/CSS: <b>Don't ask to ask, just ask</b> - Support room for newest web technologies (HTML5, CSS3) and related ones (DOM, microdata) [css] [css3] [dom] [html] [html5] [microdata]
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room topic changed to HTML/CSS: <font size="1928121209">Don't ask to ask, just ask</font> - Support room for newest web technologies (HTML5, CSS3) and related ones (DOM, microdata) [css] [css3] [dom] [html] [html5] [microdata]
Use **
user652649
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04:11
Formatting doesn't work
at all
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room topic changed to HTML/CSS: <blink>DON'T ASK TO ASK, JUST ASK</blink> - Support room for newest web technologies (HTML5, CSS3) and related ones (DOM, microdata) [css] [css3] [dom] [html] [html5] [microdata]
@uınbɐɥs To Meta!!! to open a request
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i ran fiddler and images downloading fine when I go to the site url
04:12
@crypticツ It's probably the way it is to avoid the description getting 'distracting' - but I'll ask anyway
not sure whats happening
any ideas?
@uınbɐɥs don't tell them that, otherwise they will use it as their excuse =oP
@crypticツ sorry, too late, only thing that works on descriptions TMK is a link (no markdown) and it will not get lowercased
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@pibcat link? code?
04:15
test.tricension.net:2013
if you open the site in IE version>8 it shows fine
if you open it in version<=8 the images are not rendering
For performance wise if I install the Ubuntu As my main operating system will the performance of a VMware virtual machines such as Windows or Mac mountain lion I should see a lot of performance Changes In my right ?
I mean basically cause I don't have anything installed on the Windows 8 I usually use everything in a VMware Windows 8 VM and turn on ENity mode
use Utility mode
user652649
there are dozens of js errors on ie8 @pibcat why didn't you test while you was developing it?
user652649
btw seems that images are served by javascript, this is weird
there are some js errors
its not actually in prod
i exposed it to externally so someone can help me
04:22
@Wes ⒹⓄⓃ'Ⓣ ⒶⓈⓀ ⓉⓄ ⒶⓈⓀ, ⒿⓊⓈⓉ ⒶⓈⓀ
@kaᵠ cool, where did you get those characters from?
user652649
only you can @pibcat
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Q: Formatting in chat room description

uınbɐɥsCan Markdown formatting be added to chat descriptions? Sometimes bold text would be nice, to highlight something in the description.

yeah
Edit it if you like
04:24
@uınbɐɥs graphics.glig.com/generators/unicode_text makes thinks reverse too like your nick
+1 that !!!
if you have any direction for me to look into the problem that would be helpful
I read three two css books over the weekend (CSS Missing Manual and CSS Mastery). Both covered the topic of page layuout but used the entire chapter to discuss the traditional boring two and three-column layouts. As you all know, today's compelling sites can't be so basic. I'm looking for a reference that delves into the design patterns of engaging ecommerce site layouts. Anyone can lead me in the right direction?
thanks
user652649
@pibcat try individually each feature (js|css) to identify the problem
@JohnMerlino check out craigslist design
04:27
@kaᵠ I'm looking for a book reference
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this is visible i guess
lol @Wes, that should drag attention
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user652649
04:33
@JohnMerlino you have to be boring in an ecommerce, otherwise customers will not understand how the site work... well unless your potential customers are ~15
Im looking for design patterns for engaging layouts other than the boring two and three column layouts discussed in the books mentioned above @Wes
fixed :D
@kaᵠ how??
unicode bold :D @crypticツ, you should do that for PHP
@uınbɐɥs here you go panix.com/~eli/unicode/…!
user652649
04:35
@kaᵠ unicode isn't supported by each font... i don't see that kind of characters
user652649
probably because they are italic
ouch
𝐃𝐨𝐧'𝐭 𝐚𝐬𝐤 𝐭𝐨 𝐚𝐬𝐤, 𝐉𝐔𝐒𝐓 𝐀𝐒𝐊!
user652649
squares :P
and @crypticツ is ok with it... because... linux is great :D
Linux <3
user652649
04:38
:(
@kaᵠ That doesn't render for me either
user652649
@uınbɐɥs os?
@Wes Windows 8 / Chromium
@uınbɐɥs oh nos, it's a dupe of like 3 others =oP
04:42
@crypticツ Is it? I couldn't find any duplicates
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Q: Markdown in chat "room info"

MerlinGreetings guardians of the unicorns, I noticed that markdown links don't render as expected in the room info. It's only a small thing but thought I would bring it to your attention. Salutations. UPDATE In response to comments: Raw URL's do link however the [description](url) syntax doesn't ...

ok more like 1 dupe =oP but still
argh... I was searching for 'room description' not 'room info'...
I used 'chat description'
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room topic changed to HTML/CSS: ▇▇▇▇▇ DON'T ASK TO ASK, JUST ASK ▇▇▇▇▇! Support room for newest web technologies (HTML5, CSS3) and related ones (DOM, microdata) [css] [css3] [dom] [html] [html5] [microdata]
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room topic changed to HTML/CSS: ▇▇▇▇▇ DON'T ASK TO ASK, JUST ASK ▇▇▇▇▇ Support room for newest web technologies (HTML5, CSS3) and related ones (DOM, microdata) [css] [css3] [dom] [html] [html5] [microdata]
04:50
win8 sux too? can't believe that...
@kaᵠ It's the font
what's the sys font @uınbɐɥs ?
user652649
verdana
yeah
I can see the bold text in the omnibox of Chromium, though...
it has to work there
since they allowed unicode domain names
04:53
I heard that the font is Segoe UI, but it doesn't display in Segoe UI.
woot! just got a silver:
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A: Are pets allowed on Stack Overflow?

ka ᵠOf course they are allowed, SO is pet-friendly ! Just remember: always clean up after them don't let them scratch other people's posts (trim their nails) keep them quiet (while a few barks or mews don't bother anyone, nobody likes a concert they don't understand) PS: bring your pet, S...

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lol
yeah
05:51
𝐀𝐀A A - 𝐀𝐀A A
@uınbɐɥs how do you see ^ ?
:(
and the ▇ in the description is a black block?
@kaᵠ yes
hmm, your is a bit more italic than mine
oblique if you will
user652649
I've tested with any default windows font and first two characters aren't never working
06:04
bummer
@kaᵠ What OS are you using?
linux, ofcourse
Distro? Browser?
Font?
buntu/fox
rdana?
06:06
no idea
user652649
with older windows is even worse... we could use a lot of characters in web guis, like these ▶ ▼ ✔ ✖ but in ie8-- they are not supported
!̸̶͚͖͖̩̻̩̗͍̮̙̈͊͛̈͒̍̐ͣͩ̋ͨ̓̊ ̌̈̊́̚͝͠ͅ ̷̧̢̛͖̤̟̺̫̗͚̗͖ͪ̏̔̔̒́ͥ̓ͫ̀ͤ̇ͥ͝ ̡̊͛̇ ͫ̉ͦ̊̀̔ͧͮ͆̽ͦͩ͋̌͗̚̚҉̵͖̟
^ now that fu
user652649
none of these work
@Wes does ^^^ work ?
!̸̶͚͖͖̩̻̩̗͍̮̙̈͊͛̈͒̍̐ͣͩ̋ͨ̓̊ ̌̈̊́̚͝͠ͅ ̷̧̢̛͖̤̟̺̫̗͚̗͖ͪ̏̔̔̒́ͥ̓ͫ̀ͤ̇ͥ͝ ̡̊͛̇ ͫ̉ͦ̊̀̔ͧͮ͆̽ͦͩ͋̌͗̚̚҉̵͖̟
06:10
@kaᵠ barely
!̸̶͚͖͖̩̻̩̗͍̮̙̈͊͛̈͒̍̐ͣͩ̋ͨ̓̊ ̌̈̊́̚͝͠ͅ ̷̧̢̛͖̤̟̺̫̗͚̗͖ͪ̏̔̔̒́ͥ̓ͫ̀ͤ̇ͥ͝ ̡̊͛̇ ͫ̉ͦ̊̀̔ͧͮ͆̽ͦͩ͋̌͗̚̚҉̵͖̟!̸̶͚͖͖̩̻̩̗͍̮̙̈͊͛̈͒̍̐ͣͩ̋ͨ̓̊ ̌̈̊́̚͝͠ͅ ̷̧̢̛͖̤̟̺̫̗͚̗͖ͪ̏̔̔̒́ͥ̓ͫ̀ͤ̇ͥ͝ ̡̊͛̇ ͫ̉ͦ̊̀̔ͧͮ͆̽ͦͩ͋̌͗̚̚҉̵͖̟!̸̶͚͖͖̩̻̩̗͍̮̙̈͊͛̈͒̍̐ͣͩ̋ͨ̓̊ ̌̈̊́̚͝͠ͅ ̷̧̢̛͖̤̟̺̫̗͚̗͖ͪ̏̔̔̒́ͥ̓ͫ̀ͤ̇ͥ͝ ̡̊͛̇ ͫ̉ͦ̊̀̔ͧͮ͆̽ͦͩ͋̌͗̚̚҉̵͖̟!̸̶͚͖͖̩̻̩̗͍̮̙̈͊͛̈͒̍̐ͣͩ̋ͨ̓̊ ̌̈̊́̚͝͠ͅ ̷̧̢̛͖̤̟̺̫̗͚̗͖ͪ̏̔̔̒́ͥ̓ͫ̀ͤ̇ͥ͝ ̡̊͛̇ ͫ̉ͦ̊̀̔ͧͮ͆̽ͦͩ͋̌͗̚̚҉̵͖̟!̸̶͚͖͖̩̻̩̗͍̮̙̈͊͛̈͒̍̐ͣͩ̋ͨ̓̊ ̌̈̊́̚͝͠ͅ ̷̧̢̛͖̤̟̺̫̗͚̗͖ͪ̏̔̔̒́ͥ̓ͫ̀ͤ̇ͥ͝ ̡̊͛̇ ͫ̉ͦ̊̀̔ͧͮ͆̽ͦͩ͋̌͗̚̚҉̵͖̟!̸̶͚͖͖̩̻̩̗͍̮̙̈͊
user652649
here not at all... i just have a strange symbol at the end
well it is a strange blurb
06:13
ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็
@kaᵠ that works perfectly
hmm
ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้‌​้้้้้้ส็็็ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็ส้้้้้้้้้้‌​้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็ส้‌​้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้‌​้้้ส็็็ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้‌​้้้้้้้้้้้ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ส็็็ส็็็ส็็็ส็‌​็็ส็็็ส็็็ส็็็ส
@uınbɐɥs how about this ^ lol
@kaᵠ cool... but those characters going up always disappear when redrawn
06:18
@uınbɐɥs they don't go up here, they stay put :)
@uınbɐɥs can you see the code I posted in php?
@kaᵠ yeah
fun with PI
BTW, to make π look like π in chat, make it code: `π`
what code is that @uınbɐɥs ?
i use u+3c0
@kaᵠ Surround it with backticks. Your font might render pi properly by default :P
06:33
ok: π π π π
 
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Do you like preprocessing for stylings (SCSS, SASS, LESS) or I am okay with CSS and CSS3.
10:42
hello @Rafee
 
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Hi,
I have a textarea, what can cause the problem when I click in it that I can type in it on everyplace an not at the topleft of the textfield?
hey guys!
do you remember office assistant?
The Office Assistant was an Intelligent User Interface for Microsoft Office that assisted users by way of an interactive animated character, which interfaced with the Office help content. It used technology initially from Microsoft Bob and later Microsoft Agent, offering advice based on Bayesian algorithms. In Microsoft Office for Windows, it was included in versions 97 to 2003 and in Microsoft Publisher, it was included in versions 98 to 2003. In Microsoft Office for Mac, it was included in versions 98 to 2004. The default assistant in the English Windows version was named Clippy, after a...
do you think, if it's possible to make such a lame thing on any web site?
i mean, i could try flash, but iOS users won't see that marvelous creature
how else can i achieve that?
@IlyaDoroshin APNG's + javascript + backend code
@kaᵠ what if i've got over 500 of frames?
12:11
@IlyaDoroshin then... you're doing something WRONG
may I ask, why have 500 frames?
what are you doing?
@kaᵠ it's not me.. it's just my boss wants something like that assistant on his website. and believe me, i've already said to him that he's mentally retarded
@IlyaDoroshin the assistant is an interesting idea (it's used by some sites), i was asking about the hundreds of frames...
@IlyaDoroshin The funniest thing about the Office Assistant I remember was how my boss at Microsoft was using it as an example of why programmers shouldn't talk to customers and make assumptions. He says "if a developer listens to customers, and they say 'oh my God, I hate that paperclip, it's so annoying..." the developers think the feature should be removed.
But if you wait a minute they'll say "but the dog is cute".
@HostileFork hehe
@kaᵠ it's because he's already ordered test creature
@kaᵠ and this creature is made of ~500 frames.. only for 5 actions
And you realize there's something really irritating about that graphic, and the way it moves its eyes, and the sort of spirit of condescension. When they got rid of it, they had a campaign with comedian Gilbert Gottfried...
12:17
@IlyaDoroshin you're talking animation frames
@kaᵠ yup
@kaᵠ Once, in a dream, someone asked me what software was used to make the office assistant. As if I would know (?) No clue...
@IlyaDoroshin that clears some dust :P ok, so break that animation in movement bits, make an animated PNG of eatch movement type
I think that assistants are good, like how tutorials are good, but usability should be done in a way that you test with people who can complete the task without assistance first. Documentation is another last resort. If things just work: that's ideal.
^ what he said
12:24
I did a three phase usability trial behind one way mirrors on a project, and the user was supposed to talk out loud. Cameras on the keyboard, recordings on the screen. No documentation... I just watched. Devs aren't allowed to talk to the people they bring in.
i'm not saying, that assistant is a great idea, i think it's like 1998, but it's 2013 now
and i'm trying to understand how can i implement it on website
because my boss is crazy :(
Well, just maybe suggest to your boss that a few testing trials with users may provide much more long term value. Observe, refine.
You can walk with a crutch, sure. It helps. But isn't it better to be able to just walk/run/etc without that clutter?
@HostileFork they invested in creating an animation (500 frame long) i guess his boss is suffering from the not-gonna-lose-that disorder
it has a name, don't remember it (not really a disorder)
@kaᵠ O noes. When he plays a D&D game does he get all flustered because he paid 100 GP for the silver sword in level one, and then in level two the sword can't kill anything anymore and the merchant only offers him 7 GP for it?
yup.. that about sums it up :)
12:28
Then why do you work for someone like that?
i don't :) @IlyaDoroshin seems to do
Oh, Darth Vader. Wasn't he kind of a pawn of the Empire too? :-P
no idea
you are funny, but it doesn't solve my problems :(
i work for a huge russian company
12:30
@IlyaDoroshin i gave you some ideas
and that task is from ministry of culture
oh i mean ministry of retardiness
23 mins ago, by ka ᵠ
@IlyaDoroshin APNG's + javascript + backend code
11 mins ago, by ka ᵠ
@IlyaDoroshin that clears some dust :P ok, so break that animation in movement bits, make an animated PNG of eatch movement type
animated png? does it allow transparency?
of course
ok, thank you so much)
12:31
Death to all GIFs, long live PNG !!!
Got a letter in the mail from CompuServe saying I needed to pay them $13.37 per GIF on my website, or they'd see me in court. Think I should pay it?
@HostileFork you're not serious!
@HostileFork you're using their copyrighted gifs?
Oh, they copyrighted or patented the encoding or whatever. That whole thing about the palette in the beginning, then like...rows of run-length-encoding after. I dunno the details.
@HostileFork link + link to what they 'copyreghted' pls
12:37
I'm pulling your leg but this did sort of happen, like with MP3. A standard was adopted and then I believe, IIRC, they were going after the programmers who implemented the protocol - not the people exchanging the files using the format. It's history, and I think history that is no longer relevant as whatever so-called "rights" have expired.
It was one of the provocations to create PNG as an open standard, just as OGG Vorbis was a reaction to Fraunhasselhoff or whoever's MP3 rights
I mock it because I mock the idea of people with such stupid ideas about lock-in and exploitation.
The $13.37 fee should have been a tip-off. :-P
" ideas about lock-in and exploitation." ?
oww well
This is a philosophical thing, it's because I kind of got into computer science to try and eliminate a kind of "scarcity-based thinking". Only got one copy of the vinyl record? Well, let's find a way to copy it effortlessly...then we could both listen to it. It hurts my soul to see people taking technology and putting in DRM so it's worse than the LP because you can't even let someone else borrow it. I'll be "hostile" about that indefinitely.
@HostileFork i kinda starting to get you, don't know the history of PNG and what's the connection here
everybody's starting to use it, it's far superior to the ol' gif
Anyway, just stopped by because I changed the Rebol room's topic and noticed the black marks there in the one here. It reminded me of redaction, I have some stuff I do in that vein called Blackhighlighter. And given that weird dream about people wondering what was used to draw the clip I stuck around. :-) But anyway, gotta run, work to do. Nice to meet you guys. Stop by the Rebol room if you want to learn something else... that's... interesting!
@HostileFork ok, nice to meet you too
 
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@Wes You obiviously have never designed a theme for blogger. Blogger is written in XML, with XML conditional statements for CSS, then bundles it. Also, fauxcolumn is the admin interface, you can't drop it, it's required. I am using media queries, minimal fixed with has been added(only on homepage for the masonry). The only thing I agree with you on is the positioning. However, like I said, with blogger you don't have full control.
 
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silence ?
19:54
hey all when using the grid system, are longer columns allowed to span multiple rows?
Going to hold a small css-competition. Duration 1 week. For hobbyists. Going to use a Wikipedia-article as starting point for HTML. Thoughts? Tags that should/shouldn't be included?
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