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6:00 PM
Also, can't compose (i.e. inherit) the 'trait'.
 
I would lord over all the penis in the land, justly of course.
Mmm, a strong, firm rule.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's not composable in TMP stuffs :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Rally.
 
Can't inherit from a boolean value.
 
6:01 PM
Well, no idea, then.
 
@TonyTheLion s/meme/game
 
Maybe normalization_traits.
 
Though I guess namespacing could do.
 
Not overly fond of the option.
 
oh! that extra N! Why did How the hell did I miss that?
 
6:04 PM
@DogPlusPlus Huh/ As far as I can tell, hardly anybody paid any attention. That is, until a a few days after the fact when some of us (me and Bartek, basically) gently offered that it had in fact been pretty clear that Cicada was clearly really "I'm a boy now". [sic]
 
or add it as the case may be...
 
Several incredulous loungers proceeded to confess their confusion and then their ambivalence. Only @DogPlusPlus was openly critical of the long-term deception by Cicada, AFAIR
 
Or maybe just make it is_normal and deal with the confusion myself. I am not sure if this is worth putting in the public API.
 
@EtiennedeMartel We constantly talk about dicks -- practically every link to a question on SO carries an implicit: "god, what a dick" comment.
 
I've only seen Cicada back for maybe 1 time after the mumble session in question, and there weren't any off-key remarks then (in my presence)
 
6:04 PM
For now I'll just use this for optimizing shit internally.
@sehe Because he was not deceived!
 
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I'd try to pick a different name, yes. One big difference in the two thingies is that returns whether the particular value is normalized or not, while the other says 'every call to is_normalized will return true'. Does it?
 
@ThePhD maybe I'm missing something - I've not touched any chat flags yet
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "He" who?
 
@Flexo Maybe somebody else swooped in and took care of it?
 
6:05 PM
The dog.
 
In particular !normalized_trait<T>() does not imply !normalized_function(some_value_of_T), right?
 
@LucDanton Yeah, that's it. I can use the latter property to skip stuff in, i.e. canonical hashing.
 
In my heart, Cicada will always be a girl. <3
 
"use dban to wipe a disk, it's easy!" fhasfhsafghff
 
@LucDanton Right.
!normalized_trait<T>() is a worthless assertion.
 
6:06 PM
Which is going to be great because now I can make fun of him by deliberately using Female pronouns. :D
 
Wait! so is Cicada a girl or a boy?
 
@Code-Guru INBETWEEN!
 
Both.
 
Go with always_normalized<T> or something.
 
A goy.
 
6:07 PM
Wait! Who the fuck cares?...or maybe I'm just too new here...
 
@ThePhD Well, that particular name will always be tainted with a feminine ring to me. However, the trollish character that went by that name, has always been ... sexless / troll in my mind
 
@Rapptz neither until observed :3
 
I think of everyone as a male on the internet regardless of what they say.
 
@melak47 Genderly Exclusion Principle ?
 
@melak47 Thanks Schrondinger
 
6:07 PM
@LucDanton Hmm. Not bad. I'll rename the whole family for consistency (always_validated, always_casefolded).
 
Okay, now I know the problem is deliberately with my pixel shader.
 
@Rapptz I subconciously give a gender to a handle which may or may not be accurate.
 
@Code-Guru Nope - you're right. Who the fuck cares?
 
on the off chance anyone has an idea...I have this piece of crap prebuilt, which won't boot any flavour of linux unless I specify "noapic" as a kernel boot option...why :S
 
See, look
The vertex shader is behaving properly
but the pixel shader doesn't output anything!
 
6:10 PM
vertex shading a my little pony?
 
maybe your pixel shader sees what you did there and is being sensible and refusing to draw that.
 
What's this world come to?
 
@melak47 I'll guess your machine has a weird/buggy/incompatible APIC.
 
@melak47 Possible. :c
But I didn't want to use a cube, as rotating a cube is kind of... well, shitty.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks intel, I love you too
so what does your pixel shader look like
 
6:11 PM
AFAIK that means no SMP or something.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes SMP? this is a shitty prebuilt, it doesn't have multiple CPU sockets
 
@melak47 Here it is:
return float4(1,1,1,1);
^ That's it.
 
@ThePhD moar
the whole thing plz
 
@melak47 Multicore?
 
@melak47 Perhaps you've disabled the ioapic in your BIOS/UEFI settings? Not sure why you would, but I've seen some that allowed you to disable it.
 
6:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, older core2quad
 
You may also try updating your firmware.
 
@JerryCoffin I'll take a look. Hold on while I put the other comp on this screen :p
 
Could happen that they fixed the bugs :)
 
@melak47 Does the kernel get to use the two cores?
 
6:14 PM
Deleted question quote fail
 
my company is recommending that customers who install our server software exclude all .exe and .dll in our directory from Virus Scans. I don't know much about security, but wouldn't that open us up to some huge holes?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think when I do specify noapic, it can use all 4 cores fine, not that I need them
 
@MooingDuck It just means people won't be able to catch your software if it gets used as a hole.
 
> Why are you implying that I would have a problem with the tool? It is pretty clear from reading the question that I never question whether GLFW works or not. What I did was use an animistic analogy, as if GLFW was an living entity, and it was fucking with me, because that is how I feel right now, and I know many programmers have felt this way before.
> I am not professional, this is not a professional only forum, I am asking a question with some minor vulgarity included, which apparently was enough to tick off 4 anal retentive. And what makes you think the setup is the problem?
 
6:15 PM
It doesn't preclude you from doing your own scans and figuring out if you actually have holes.
 
This is awesomely funny
 
@melak47 Oh, right 4. :S
 
The original title was
 
@rubenvb I will never understand people that bite the hand that feeds them.
 
> GLFW being a dick
 
6:16 PM
"I come to you for help, but I will not abide by your customs"
 
the bios doesn't have a lot of options :/ I see no mention of APIC :(
 
@MooingDuck At the very least, it could give some the impression that what you're distributing isn't entirely legitimate.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why so serioussss? :P
 
@JerryCoffin they're paying several thousands of dollars, I'm less concerned about that
 
@melak47 Well, then I suppose the worst is that you may get less efficiency. No idea how much.
 
6:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's not really the problem, I'm fine with adding the option - but I can't find a way to add the kernel option to dban, so I can't boot crap at all
 
What's dban?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes linux based bootable thingy for wiping disks
 
not so bootable now
 
If you have GRUB you can try booting it by hand.
 
6:20 PM
I don't know what the hell it uses :/
and I don't have grub
 
@melak47 If it uses a Linux kernel, GRUB can boot it.
@melak47 USB!
Anyway, gotta go. Later.
 
well, it has a custom boot screen thing which then launches the kernel in some wipe mode or another.
later
 
@melak47 you mean it boots linux, logs in, and runs rm -rf /dev/sd??
 
@rubenvb I hope not :D
 
6:23 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Later.
 
there's a syslinux.cfg with all the options there, but they look a little different from the usual grub lines I've seen, I'm not sure where I would insert the "noapic" :/
 
For websites that use a background image... that is non tilable...
How do they not look terrible when zoomed out?
 
@Pawnguy7 the background doesn't zoom with the rest?
 
@rubenvb How could you do this?
 
6:26 PM
@Pawnguy7 I have absolutely no scrupules doing that. At all.
> # WARNING: Do not change this file with an ISO image editor.
Don't worry, I use mspaint to edit text files.
 
@rubenvb Sorry, not entirely sure what this means.
 
@melak47 add noapic to the APPEND line. It goes where stuff like silent vga=785 goes.
 
@rubenvb I'll try, thanks
 
@Pawnguy7 "How could you do this" means "how on earth could you get it over your heart to do this".
 
@rubenvb like this? i.imgur.com/QlGpd.gif
 
6:28 PM
But Re the real issue, I don't know.
@MooingDuck That's an oldie, and IIRC, they deleted the question that contained that.
 
@rubenvb yay, it works!
 
It's so damn awesome
 
@rubenvb nope
 
@melak47 Payments can be made through paypal or wire transfer.
@MooingDuck ah, but it is closed.
 
also, derp. it's wiping the USB drive it booted from as well
 
6:29 PM
Can everyone see and find closed questions?
 
@rubenvb sorry, stil lost.
 
@Pawnguy7 I was making a silly pun on your weird English sentence. And I used a French word that's hidden in the English dictionary cause I couldn't think of a better phrase at the time I wrote that and scrupules is also something in Dutch.
Be wary that I will not give you a map. I will not help you find your way again.
 
@rubenvb see, yes. find, I'm not sure
 
But you knew that.
 
@melak47 What's the top result on this page?
 
6:33 PM
@MooingDuck I can now protect questions, so I'm not at all in a position to find out. And no, I am not logging out of SO.
:P
 
474
Q: Why is this program erroneously rejected by three C++ compilers?

James McNellisI am having some difficulty compiling a C++ program that I've written. This program is very simple and, to the best of my knowledge, conforms to all the rules set forth in the C++ Standard. I've read over the entirety of ISO/IEC 14882:2003 twice to be sure. The program is as follows: Here i...

 
so yes, anyone can find closed questions
@melak47 thanks!
 
good. That question has the bestest of answers.
 
@rubenvb this is good too, but deleted.
 
@MooingDuck I could undelete that and protect it :P
but maybe the powers that be would hate me for it.
 
6:34 PM
@rubenvb probably not a good idea
 
Two mods deleted it :)
 
@MooingDuck did you ask me because I have incredibly low rep? :p
 
@melak47 and you just spoke in chat, so you were already here
 
Problem fixed. Had weird interaction in overload resolution, something about perfect-forwarding being eager and SFINAE.
 
Is there a shadowy rule of the Meta SO I could invoke to keep it open like the Book Question Voodoo people pulled?
 
6:36 PM
@rubenvb no, the book question is one of a kind.
 
According to SO, this is a good question... hm.
 
@MooingDuck wrong. There's another language that kept its book question.
 
private const string PackageName = "pinkiepie.dir";
It's spreading. Muhahahaha.
 
Was it Python?
 
@rubenvb oh?
 
6:39 PM
@MooingDuck I may be wholly mistaken though.
It seems I am.
It's sad all the book questions are gone.
 
Hmm. Is OP correct in his assessment of the illegality of this assignment?
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Q: Proper method to increment a void* by type size because cast results in temporary, not lvalue

SMGreenfieldIn upgrading the following old C++ code to compile under the modern Xcode 4.x compilers, I've found the original developer used a programming idiom that worked but should've been avoided -- it's now an error: *((USHORT*) pvPixel)++ = uRG; // copy red & green (2 bytes) I see what was inte...

 
How does while(/* whatever */) *out++ = foo; work then?
Honestly it's a bit too wall-of-text-y for me right now.
 
I think he's crazier than a bag full of @ThePhD.
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@KonradRudolph Clang and GCC both say it's illegal
source.cpp:9:5: error: assignment to cast is illegal, lvalue casts are not supported
*((USHORT*) pvPixel)++ = uRG;
~^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
Hmm. odd
 
6:45 PM
So does Intel.
Along with pointer-to-different-size integer warning/error.
 
ah lol, the problem is the ++
yes, that makes sense
 
That's a sneaky assignment!
 
I was misled into thinking that the problem was the dereferencing
 
So easy even a caveman can do it!
 
void* is just plain evil.
Pointer arithmetic on void* summons satan.
 
6:47 PM
You rang?
 
badumtish
<awkward silence>
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.
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nooooooooo
c-c-c-c-c-combo breaker duck
 
fuck
I have a problem, and I have no idea how to solve it.
 
@DeadMG that'll teach you to regex
 
no regexes involved, fortunately
 
Aren't you guys curious how I posted 4 exactly the same messages without chat ignoring them?
 
6:50 PM
no.
 
@DeadMG Learn regexes, then you'll have two problems.
 
probably Unicode.
 
@DeadMG ha, no.
 
the dots?
 
chat is unicode aware
AFAICT
 
6:50 PM
@rubenvb yeah, that's why unicode magic would work
 
@MooingDuck but you'd see the unicode stuff.
 
Not enough problems? Learn Unicode.
 
@rubenvb not if it's an invisible non breaking whitespace
 
@MooingDuck a space did it. Anyways, moving on.
 
@rubenvb that's what I assumed when you said no unicode
 
6:52 PM
You guys are no fun.
 
@ThePhD any closer to a solution with your pixel shader?
is this deferred or forward?
 
Is boost.spirit C++11 lambda-ready?
 
Lack of smooth tiling bug you?
 
Cause all the examples I'm seeing use Boost.Phoenix, which seems like a Boost solution to no lambda's
 
@rubenvb Yes, although Boost is usually misconfigured and you need to define BOOST_RESULT_OF_USE_DECLTYPE yourself.
At least I think the default config is too paranoid, I don't really know.
 
6:58 PM
Ok I'll remember that.
 
I should have said 'presumably yes' though. I do hope they're using Boost.ResultOf.
 
FYI: I'm going to implement the Bash 2.0 BNF grammar in Boost.spirit.
if it works that would be so awesome.
I even found two C++11 EBNF grammars.
@Rapptz I have uploaded a 4.8 std::thread enabled build.
 
Hello
 
lol, the "quick" wipe is not just quick - it finishes instantly!
 
7:12 PM
@rubenvb No Clang interoperation still though I'm guessing?
 
my facebook friends are chanigng their profile pics to a red equals sign. What's today?
oh, found it "Today, the court is deliberating California’s Proposition 8, which bans the right for same-sex couples to marry. Tomorrow, arguments will be heard regarding the national Defense of Marriage Act, which has legally defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman since 1996."
 
@MooingDuck So, does the red equals sign mean that they think something should be made equal (that isn't right now), or that something is not equal that should be kept this way?
 
@LucDanton red equals are defending the rights for gays to marry
 
@LucDanton I would guess that the intent is equality for same-sex marriages. I.e., they want the court to rule that the current laws against same-sex marriage are unconstitutional.
 
The actual symbol perplexed me just as much as the description. Really felt like some of the symbolism went over my head :(
 
7:23 PM
@LucDanton The original specification, and therefore some implementations, of decltype were horrifically bugged in ... some respect. IIRC, Boost was the one who found the error when attempting to switch result_of to use it.
 
@MooingDuck I would probably go with my trademark "hell, it's about time".
 
@DeadMG I've been using BOOST_RESULT_OF_USE_DECLTYPE for months, yet according to the documentation it still won't be set.
 
if they set it by default, they'd break everybody using some interim compilers.
 
@LucDanton gay couples should have equal rights as straight couples?
 
@JerryCoffin can states do their own stuff in that regard or is that nation wide?
 
7:25 PM
Yeah, that's what "equality" is about.
No double standards.
 
@bamboon so far state by state
 
@MooingDuck Red can also mean 'danger'/'warning'. So 'it's dangerous to think of equality here'.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Even at best it takes a while -- the Supreme Court won't hear a case that's simply: "is this constitutional?" -- you have to have a real law suit, which has to go to lower court, get appealed, go to appeals court, get appealed again, and finally be heard by the supreme court.
 
Although FTR the local rhetoric here tends to play the 'we shouldn't allow gay marriage because men and women are different' bit, whatever that means.
 
7:28 PM
@DeadMG That's not it.
 
@LucDanton It's also the color of love.
 
@bamboon The basic idea of the "defense of marriage act" is that if one state calls a same-sex couple "married", no other state is required to recognize it (whereas, if one state says a hetero couple is "married", other states are required to recognize it, even if the couple couldn't get married in the second state).
 
@JerryCoffin I wish it were that easy
@JerryCoffin "The provision of DOMA forbidding the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriages has been found unconstitutional in eight federal courts, including two federal appeals courts. Five of these cases are pending review by the Supreme Court."
 
@LucDanton There's also good old ignorance (like "all kids need a father and a mother").
 
@EtiennedeMartel Can't see how that ties into a red equal sign though.
 
7:31 PM
Were you such a situation @EtiennedeMartel?
 
@MooingDuck I didn't say that was easy -- I was just describing the process at its most basic. Keep in mind, however, that each of those levels can easily take 3 or 4 years. On top of that, for a situation like this, you want a case that's absolutely iron-clad in every other way, or any of the courts might throw it out on grounds that they stand no chance of winning on appeal.
 
@LucDanton That doesn't. I was just talking about the madness that's going on in France.
@Pawnguy7 No.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not crazy! DDD:
 
@Rachel, sure. I tried Calm Mind followed by Future Sight followed by Last Resort. Alas, that did not work. — Frédéric Hamidi 1 hour ago
 
@melak47 Nope. Uh. ... I wasn't really working on it.
 
7:33 PM
@ThePhD forward or deferred?
 
It used to be deferred shading, but that wasn't working, so I switched to Forward Shading to make sure everything was okay.
 
hmm
so, only one render target?
 
Yep.
It's all being vomitted onto the backbuffer.
 
why do you have techniques? :/
 
The other part of it is that it's largely a matter of timing: as much as we might like the idea that the Supreme Court (or whomever) is guided only by the law, the reality is that they're influenced to at least some degree by the opinion of the country as a whole. If they're tried to appeal DOMA right after it was passed, I'm quite sure they'd have lost soundly. If they did that, it would be much harder for anybody to win a similar appeal later.
 
7:35 PM
?
 
technique Cel {
pass Regular {
 
Oh.
Because why not?
It's part of the HLSL language.
So I left it in there.
At the moment, I'm only rendering with pass "Regular" (0)
 
its part of the effects framework. didnt that thing die?
 
Yes, but I've rolled my own effects-like framework (minus the state changes)
In either case, I'm not understanding why the Pixel Shader isn't being invoked.
After the vertex shader, the model is on the screen and has the proper coordinates.
 
hm. well, for "return 1" not to work...you must be doing something wrong :/
can you cripple the vertex shader to do...nothing but return what it gets?
 
7:42 PM
?
 
drop the matrix multiplication
 
... That would make nothing work.
... At all.
 
can you drop the projection if any?
 
If I drop projection, how will I get the coordinates or the model to show up on the screen?
 
@rubenvb Thanks :D
 
7:45 PM
it will just not be perspective distorted
I'm not 100% sure that the vertex preview in the pipeline thing is in screen space. your model could be off screen, or smaller than a single pixel, or idk, and I think it wouldn't invoke a pixel shader in those cases
 
Well that's not very comforting.
 
My desk is a fucking mess.
 
Why so? :O
 
pixel shader shades covered pixels/fragments. no pixels covered, no pixel shader runs, afaik
 
@rubenvb Wait, spaces are not in Unicode? :P
 
7:55 PM
this is a fullscreen quad, so the preview here is not accurate. My backbuffer isn't shaped like that, and even if it was the quad isn't covering all of it. so the preview can't be mapping 1:1 to the view volume
 
@melak47 oh, VS shader debugging?
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes. I don't think you can rely on the VS preview to tell you if your thing is on screen.
 
@melak47 it's only for Dx
 
@BartekBanachewicz ....uh, yeah..
so O_o
 
Well, I'm guessing my thing isn't making it onto the screen then.
My projection matrix must be borked.
 
7:58 PM
I well remember trying to debug shit like that
 
yup
 
Like they say here: on va en vendre en tabarnack.
 
or something.
just to confirm: here's it with my quad moved off the screen
 
Yeah, so it's not on screen.
 
no pixel shader ran
 
7:59 PM
For what reason, I don't fucking know.
 
that's why I wanted you to turn off the projection :3 to check if this was it
 
Can you try making the quad extremely tiny?
 

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