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@NikiC There's a ten million billion trillion user body of Haskell users who frequent this room
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I'll argue day and night that C++ is "awesome with a few dents"! :)
@DeadMG s/users/dabblers/
@NikiC and Lua
@DeadMG I think it's just three, but those two make a lot of noise :P
@NikiC Zoidberg, Robot, Cat.
just off the top of my head.
@DeadMG and fred :)
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15:01
@NikiC FredO, Robot, Zoidberg, Cat, I for a bit
@GamesBrainiac lunch. It was delicious. However, how would you try to solve it? Is there a difference between {"3","+","2"} and "3+2" (logical)? How would you tackle incorrect sequences like "3++2"?
So as I said, nobody uses it :P
Hey, I only talk about Haskell when it's relevant, which usually means when someone else brings it up.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes You're still part of the user body of Haskell that frequents this room. :P
Nobody said anything about talking about Haskell.
@Zeta I would just create a custom function to see the next piece taking in values in one vector and operators in another. A VERY inelegant solution.
15:02
@Xeo I haven't written any non-demo Haskell in years.
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Welp
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@DeadMG s/users/dabblers/
@Xeo Whats with the welping xeo?
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Blame @LucDanton
@GamesBrainiac: What if someone uses {"3+","2"}? Would you simply abort?
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He started it.
15:04
@Zeta Simply parse it using a Shunting-Yard parser, and then build a tree out of it. Then all you need to do is visit the tree to check for non-terminals without a right and left value... If you find one, syntax error...
@Zeta I'd take input in a way, such that it could not happen.
@ircmaxell I'm asking rhetorical questions. I would either use a pre-built parser or write one myself.
fuck damn I can either miss my classes or lecture at work :/
Ah ok
fuck the uni I guess, shaders win.
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15:05
@BartekBanachewicz Where's the descision?
@MartinJames lmfao
@ircmaxell Shunting-Yard sucks. Hand-written recursive descent is perfectly adequate for expressions.
Sorry - misread welping as 'whelping'
@DeadMG fair enough, parsers aren't one of my strong points...
15:06
I'm an expert
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@MartinJames You never quite know what Xeo is up to.
@DeadMG I like non-ceremonious look of that message.
lol
@DeadMG lol
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@GamesBrainiac Yes you do - template meta wankery.
15:08
exactly. And that's @DeadMG 's answer
@ircmaxell Neve done much parsing - just trivial stuff. I'm guessing it's like one big state engine.
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Gaah... too little sleep... Want to go home...
I can't imagine writing shitload of templates just too add two numbers
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@BartekBanachewicz You're doing it wrong.
@BartekBanachewicz Expression templates are the best solution to that problem.
15:09
@Xeo hahah, I am still one leg on the other side
@MartinJames Nope. State machines are regular, which are regular expressions. Parsers are the next step up.
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@DeadMG Thinking Boost.Spirit?
@Xeo No.
@DeadMG wow, hello there. And I am not so sure, since the OP's requirements are weird.
15:12
Anyway, not trying to sound like Zoidberg, but Parsec is the best solution to that problem.
:P
> I am working on boolean arithmetic using only operators OR and AND
that doesn't really say a thing
@R.MartinhoFernandes Careful there. Next you're gonna start saying everything sucks.
Hello everyone, by the way.
@EtiennedeMartel I don't think that's a problem: I was saying that something is awesome.
Java is awesome
15:15
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. Well, that's not very Zoidbergish per sey.
@R.MartinhoFernandes And thus it follows that everything else sucks :) [assuming Zoidlogic obv]
@BartekBanachewicz So it begins again.
@EtiennedeMartel The Zoidlogic in it was the fact that Parsec is a Haskell library.
@GamesBrainiac The point is, my only experiences with Java (like 2 or 3) were extremely pleasant
Zoidberg Syndrome consists of a huge appreciation for a few select things and a deep hatred for everything else. It's black or white.
15:16
@ScottW When did you get here?
@ScottW Wanking off.
No.
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@ScottW I declared war with the Java guys once.
@BartekBanachewicz Rethinking it, I'm not entirely certain of what they even are.
@ScottW Nah, we should set up some protection racket thing and collect rep from them.
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Q: Can we bet rep?

R. Martinho FernandesI remember once someone in chat tried to bet 100 rep with someone else about some silly thing. Something like, "I bet you 100 rep this you can't tell what animal is in this picture!" At the time, it wasn't really feasible for the loser of the bet to pay up, so we probably had to beat him up in...

@ScottW I'd support you on the war! :P
15:18
eih
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room topic changed to Das Lounge<C++>: Dies ist eine Kriegserklärung gegen PHP! [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [kein-helpdesk]
@DeadMG exactly
@Xeo Got your ass kicked?
@Xeo This sounds so angry somehow.
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15:19
@GamesBrainiac They didn't show up for any war to happen, so it was "winning by default".
@EtiennedeMartel German in general seems to sound "angry" to people. Kinda like Russian.
@Xeo Yeah. And French sounds pretentious.
@Xeo I like it. :'(
Oh how much I love OGL interfaces
void glGetActiveUniform(	GLuint program,
 	GLuint index,
 	GLsizei bufSize,
 	GLsizei *length,
 	GLint *size,
 	GLenum *type,
 	GLchar *name);
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@EtiennedeMartel Well... I think there are other words for it.
Maybe we should do something like the RealTimeWW2 and post updates about our war against other languages as the topic.
15:22
https://www.musterbrand.com/collections/deus-ex
Woohoo, cool t-shirts, why does the coat have to be 200$ T_T
@Borgleader Haha, Musterbrand.
These guys...
@ScottW House limit is 500.
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Q: Does the underlying character set depend only on the C implementation?

teppicMany texts warn that processing char values as integers isn't portable, e.g. assuming that the value of 'A' is 65 (as in ASCII). But what determines whether this character set is ASCII (or an extended form), or some other character set? Is it determined by the operating system, or the compiler? ...

this is implementation defined right?
@ScottW It'd undoubtedly improve your productivity, anyway (at least until you ruined things by earning some rep again).
Wait. IDNA requires Unicode 3.2?
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Still 1 1/2h... today is going slow, ugh
Interesting
@sbi Well, the Lounge is a cosmopolitan chatroom.
Next I should learn Polish. Then I can understand any regular, I think. Oh, and Polish my German.
Whoever changed the lounge description: thank you.
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15:29
Gotta Finnish learning Japanese, so that you'll have to learn that to.
I don' t think so. "The values of the members of the execution
character sets and the sets of additional members are locale-specific." I believe that's pretty much like implementation defined, except they're probably not required to document it to conform (though mostly a moot point, since nobody really provides the correct documentation anyway).
@Xeo: How did you even start learning Japanese?
From the beginning.
@ScottW Quitter!
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@Zeta From the top-right.
15:30
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bonne chan.
@JerryCoffin is that quote from the C Standard?
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@EtiennedeMartel Just "chan"?
@Xeo That's the joke.
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lol
@TonyTheLion C++ (though I believe C has pretty much the same).
15:31
If you chop off the "ce" at the end, you suddenly sound much more... let's just say redneck.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Polish is hard...
@JerryCoffin Can I use that in an answer?
why?
@TonyTheLion Looking at things I was wrong. In C it is ID: "The values of the members of the execution character set are implementation-defined." Welcome to use what you like. §2.3/3 in C++, §5.2.1/1 in C99.
@BartekBanachewicz Depends on what kind of polish you're talking about.
15:34
Hey, don't ruin my joke!
I want to report a bug in english standard with a name clash.
@Xeo Speaking Japanese doesn't seem as difficult as Polish, but reading it might be.
@ScottW As long as it's only rep, do what you like. If there's money involved, pay up now!
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, the reading part sucks with all the Kanji
@R.MartinhoFernandes Reading it is a bitch
15:35
Rep is like internet money
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Btw, note that Japanese is highly context sensitive.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Japanese conversation is easy -- just say "Hai" every minute or two, and you're fine. :-)
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And they like to make puns based on how the spoken words might be written
@JerryCoffin lol
@Xeo I thought nobody used kanji in real life except when they needed to do puns?
@EtiennedeMartel they use kanji but fall back to hiragana when they forget them, iirc
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15:37
@EtiennedeMartel Erm.. Kanji are to them like latin alphabet is to us.
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Ok now I am slightly drunk I would like to start discussing why very intelligent people can be very happy
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@BartekBanachewicz Hiragana are also used for parts of words, for conjugation etc
@Telkitty Do it in the PHP room.
oh yes, and conjugation
@Telkitty With intelligence comes the imagination to delude ourselves. The rest follows naturally.
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@Xeo I need people to relate :p
15:38
@Telkitty Oh booyyyy.
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And Katakana are mostly for foreign words, like English, or even for words borrowed from other languages.
@JerryCoffin is that so?
@ShotgunNinja です
Did I hear a Japanese discussion?
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intelligent people 'see' and 'know' thing, they can stop caring after a while
15:39
@Xeo like T-shittu and chickenu
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torture comes in ONLY when you care
@JerryCoffin I thought with intelligence came the realization that it sucks and that you have to work at it to not make it suck?
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@BartekBanachewicz "risuto". :)
Guess the original word.
@Xeo Wrist?
WTF is with all that Japanese being thrown around?
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15:40
@BartekBanachewicz That should be "hai", not "desu" oO
@TonyTheLion It's a cool language.
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@ShotgunNinja "List"
@TonyTheLion People are talking about Japanese...
@TonyTheLion Yeah, but then you feel so fucking happy when it finally works.
@Xeo Agh, so close!
15:40
Because success is fun.
@Xeo Note how I wrote that before he asked
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when you have billions of people who you can test your 'dumb' ideas on (since you ultra intelligent and develop them into products). It is actually fun.
@Telkitty Ideas are worthless on their own.
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I managed to navigate myself through some untranslated menus in some games because most options are written in Katakana, thanks to them stemming from English (aka actually being the English word).
@TonyTheLion: One minor addition -- at startup, the compiler must use the "C" locale. It will pick up the OS's locale only when/if you use something like setlocale(LC_ALL, "");
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15:41
@BartekBanachewicz And then you redirected.
@Xeo bah. You know how desu is used by non-jp speakers, don't ya?
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@EtiennedeMartel read above, said can develop them into products when you ultra smart
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@BartekBanachewicz If anything, "Hai desu~"
@Xeo god damn.
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Oh, non-jp "speakers".
15:42
> A Japanese word commonly used to indicate the speaker is a retarded wannabe Japanese anime-whore
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Yeah, they tend to stick "desu" everywhere.
welp, maybe it's a bit too much, but illustrates my point
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Yea
@Telkitty Being ultra smart has nothing to do with that.
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let's face it, most of the things in human society are ponzi scheme - property, share market. Even startups
15:42
Oh, we're at war with PHP. Nobody told me! How can I get my swastika back?
@JerryCoffin thanks
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@MartinJames Y U CHANGE GRAVATAR?!
@MartinJames Ow
@Xeo Desu is only overused when referring to Rozen Maiden.
@Telkitty No. It's true that if you leave many people to themselves, they'll step on each others' heads to get higher.
15:43
@EtiennedeMartel lol
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@EtiennedeMartel dumb asses don't know how to turn their ideas into something useable by other people (I hope there is a spell check option on this chatrooms)
@MartinJames (apparently we still can't make those jokes)
the only reason that i'm taking it is because of the prereq part :( i just like java better. more familiar, more accustomed — wbAnon 1 min ago
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@ShotgunNinja No, weeaboos tend to stick it everywhere, given the chance.
@MartinJames We're at war?! Why did nobody tell us?!
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15:44
@EtiennedeMartel you know what ponzi scheme is?
@Telkitty As I said, intelligence has nothing to do with it.
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@NikiC I made a declaration of war. Your fault for not noticing.
@NikiC I thought you could read German.
(Am I misremembering that you are from Berlin?)
@Telkitty Yeah, and it involves abusing people's trust. Like any form of fraud, actually.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes > location: Berlin, Germany
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@Xeo Well, it says the same in my profile. Not sure you could say that I can read German.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can, I just don't usually look at the room topic ^^
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hehe
@Xeo They do not, desu~
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@EtiennedeMartel but the whole human society is like a gigantic ponzi scheme/pyramid structure hybird
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@ShotgunNinja :P
Also, "degeso" > "desu"
15:46
@Telkitty IRTA ponynazi
Just anywhere where it's naturally appropriate in the world's most beautiful language, desu~
@Xeo Get your squid shit out of here
@Telkitty No.
in PHP, 19 secs ago, by Ocramius
@NikiC we'll eat their CPU cycles and make them slow as hell
@ScottW Now you know two! Nice to meet you, desu~
^-- that's our plan
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15:47
@NikiC hahaha
Though that is a bit disingenuous. We could do that far better using Ruby ^^
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@EtiennedeMartel lol property price goes up because there are more later buyers who would pay for such a price, pay level in any major organization are like a pyramid, low and numerous at bottom, high and few on top
I'm just kidding. I'm not that much of a weeb; I don't own any wall-scrolls, figurines, or collectible cards aside from a single MtG deck.
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@ShotgunNinja Yada.
I just enjoy watching anime.
15:49
@ShotgunNinja Wait, owning an MtG deck makes you a weeb?
@Telkitty That's just a hierarchy. Nothing to do with a ponzi scheme.
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again I am asking you, do you know what ponzi scheme is?
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@ShotgunNinja Weeaboo is in no way connected to owning merchandise, really.
@Telkitty Do you?
We structure things like that because you have more responsibilities at the top. The pay is simply a direct result of those higher responsibilities.
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15:50
of course
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A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from their own money or the money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from profit earned by the individual or organization running the operation. The Ponzi scheme usually entices new investors by offering higher returns than other investments, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. Perpetuation of the high returns requires an ever-increasing flow of money from new investors to keep the scheme going. The system is destined to collapse because th...
You're not paying people with their own money.
@Telkitty I'm not sure you do
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how do you think your land value is derived?
Offer and demand, mostly.
15:50
@Telkitty In most cases, it's more diamond shaped -- a few very highly paid at the top, a lot in the middle, and a few again at the bottom (e.g., a building with a hundred office workers might have half a dozen or so janitors).
@Collin I am sure they don't.
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why a piece of land cost $1000 in 1880, would cost 20000 in 1965 and 300000 in 1990
Inflation.
@EtiennedeMartel Looks like a pyramid if drawn in a pyramidal way => ponzi scheme.
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Egyptians invented the ponzi scheme, it seems.
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15:52
@JerryCoffin I am talking about pay levels for full timed workers
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@R.MartinhoFernandes And you know from having seen many pyramidically drawn pyramids in your time, right?
@Telkitty Location and inflation. I.e., the value of the money has undoubtedly dropped, while the real value of the land may or may not have risen.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not really; that's my point.
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like professional, manager, director etc
@Telkitty so what?
15:53
@Xeo Well... it usually is a fairly strong indicator of weeb status.
@Telkitty Why is that a ponzi scheme? You're making a point, the burden of proof is on your shoulders.
@Telkitty Still rarely true. First of all, janitors are often full time paid workers. Second, even if you ignore them, you typically have a fairly small minority working in, say, the mail room for much less pay that most.
this->m_Root->GetResourceManager()->GetTexture("default-texture")->Bind(); As if I saw my code from a few months ago
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@ShotgunNinja I'm honestly interested in Japanese culture and I own merchandise too, so, not really.
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@JerryCoffin land value and employees wage is not exact 1:1 relationship in desirable area, i.e. manhattan
15:54
@Xeo Hmm...
TIL what a weeb is
@Xeo Yeah... to be fair, I'm just poor, and focused more on my education and my career than on furthering my degree of fandom and understanding of foreign culture.
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ponzi scheme works because there are more and more people in major cities
The point about a Ponzi scheme is that it does nothing to create any value -- it just transfers money from place to place, normally skimming some off in the process. A normal business does work that produces something new that's (at least ostensibly) of some value.
1 min ago, by Etienne de Martel
@Telkitty Why is that a ponzi scheme? You're making a point, the burden of proof is on your shoulders.
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15:55
@ShotgunNinja Since I got a job now, I can actually get to doing that finally. :3
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hm I'm wondering, maybe this is funny as shit but I sets me to thinking:
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what is it about the "earth" that electricity can be grounded in it, but not in this case?
@GamErix and Polish caption
@GamErix the size
@Telkitty Yes, as I said, the real value of the land may have risen -- i.e., its rise in price may or may not out-pace inflation.
15:55
@GamErix Earth as in the planet, not dirt
@BartekBanachewicz Polish your captions.
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pyramid scheme works because that is one way to 'lure' people into working your way up the ladder, if you are not you are a loser (judged by society)
@EtiennedeMartel heh again.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ exceptions used for flow control
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birds spend less time working than human ... because we are smarter? how
15:56
@thecoshman ouch
@GamErix Earth the planet has a fairly negative charge, and a large amount of fairly non-insulative (compared to air) material through which charge can disperse.
@Telkitty You're not making any sense.
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@ShotgunNinja hm okay sounds reasonable :P
@GamErix Because the Earth can absorb an unlimited amount of current (well, not theoretically unlimited, but practically), while a vase with some earth in it cannot. (note the use of capitals and definite articles)
@EtiennedeMartel More drunk than he thinks he is
15:57
@ShotgunNinja aye, but not a put of it on wall
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@R.MartinhoFernandes ah clearer
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@EtiennedeMartel land+property does not create extra value, it's value goes up because later buyer willing to pay more for it (definition of ponzi scheme). This metaphor is not originally created by me
which essentially boils down to
2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@GamErix the size
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@BartekBanachewicz yep super clear xD
@GamErix Grounding (in this case) is basically connecting to an exceptionally large capacitor that can absorb an almost arbitrary charge. A small pot will work, but won't absorb much charge.
15:58
That's what she said!
inb4 potato.
@JerryCoffin it will may work technically, not practically
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should stop coz chat perm logged :(
@Telkitty What?
What does "work technically" mean?
15:59
@R.MartinhoFernandes Orders of magnitude, most likely.
@R.MartinhoFernandes In theory? I think.
Jul 26 '12 at 15:44, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@chris I have designer tinfoil hats for sale.
@Telkitty Who was this? Because he was also confused about what a ponzi scheme is. Land value goes up because it becomes more desirable, either through improvements made to it, other things located near by, etc etc

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