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14:00
There's a dragon in the cover.
@BartekBanachewicz Btw: 🐉 (U+1F409 ᴅʀᴀɢᴏɴ)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, I clicked the link, so that one was obvious. But then, why is there a dragon on the cover? :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks for explanation, I thought you sent me a square.
@BartekBanachewicz My font doesn't have it either :( All I see is a square with 01F409 inside.
@BartekBanachewicz there has to be something
@TonyTheLion what?
> Randomly poke old unanswered questions every hour so they get some attention
is good
14:03
duh, windows characted map ends on U+FF1E
Xeo
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Kotoura-san-fan GET!
I don't know why they'd pick user id -1 for it though
@thecoshman I didn't realize there was such "user"
it's lulzy
@BartekBanachewicz I use BabelMap.
14:04
you just chopped your pool of available user ids in half, and opened yourself up to fucking about with signed vs unsignedness, just for one pseudo-user
assuming nobody else is allowed negatives, that is
@TonyTheLion ¬_¬ just a little behind there bud
can't know all
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol, look at this
Fun fact: unsigned data types are in fact rare
14:05
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ¬_¬ how do you figure that? or more specifically, half of what?
TIL You can use one unicode character to search wikipedia
@BartekBanachewicz hahaha
@thecoshman I don't know how to take the argument further. It seems obvious to me. User ids have to be signed, for the benefit of one user.
Let's try with bananas.
14:06
bring it on.
they could have given Community userid 0 and then validation of userids is twice as simple, and you have twice as many IDs that can fit in your data type
They're signed by default
Banana is the common name for an edible fruit produced by several kinds of large herbaceous flowering plants of the genus Musa. The fruit is variable in size, color and firmness, but is usually elongated and curved, with soft flesh rich in starch covered with a rind which may be yellow, purple or red when ripe. The fruits grow in clusters hanging from the top of the plant. Almost all modern edible parthenocarpic (seedless) bananas come from two wild species – Musa acuminata and Musa balbisiana. The scientific names of most cultivated bananas are Musa acuminata, Musa balbisiana, and Mus...
Amazing.
What do you mean "by default"?
14:06
@Xeo huh? (I'm a fan, that's right : ))
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes, but do they have to 32 bit? where in the url is it limited to only 32 bit? if they do ever start to get billions of users, they can just up to 64 bit
@thecoshman Sure they can
@thecoshman But whyyyy
It just seems wasteful.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I found it on wiki/List of unicode characters. Pretty much everything is linked to wiki page.
Like replacing all your bools with trools because of one function where you really wanted to return a boost::optional<bool>, or throw an exception
2G of users is like... 2/7 of the world population. Should be enough.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol, trools.
Also, boost::optional<bool> has poor semanatics.
14:07
whatever they're called :P
I think MSSQL doesn't even have unsigned types
boost::tribool behaves better.
@R.MartinhoFernandes If we hit the predictions, 32 bit user can be really too low in the next century
@LightnessRacesinOrbit to go from 32 bit user id's to 64 bit is fuck all. If they ever start to run out of enough ID's, for a site of this sort, I think they are going be worrying about other things then a few extra bytes of user IDs
14:08
optional<bool> o = false;
assert(o); // fine
tribool t = false;
assert(t); // nope, abort()
@thecoshman range isn't the biggest issue
@thecoshman for me it's validation. I'd want to keep the IDs as unsigned so that both logical and lexical validation is forced to be easy. But noooo I've gotta watch out for - prefixes, just because of one user
and just the general principle of waste
Also, -1 means "null" or "error"
IDs should be opaque anyway.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit according to what?
@thecoshman §34.5/4
Xeo
Xeo
What were tribool's states again? true, false, ask_again?
14:11
@Xeo ask_again.
@thecoshman precedent
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes In some book around the world, I'm sure that's correct.
@Xeo Should be true, false, file_not_found, but is true, false, indeterminate.
true, false, schroedinger.
Xeo
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz s/sch.*/cat/
14:12
You can rename indeterminate
Xeo
Xeo
The "Schrödinger's" should be implied.
another try: true, false, potato.
true, false, pardon?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit NULL means "null", stop thinking in terms of C++
@CatPlusPlus actually I was thinking of POSIX
14:13
That's even worse and less relevant
14:14
OMG, it's sunny outside. Unbelievable.
Not here. But it was a few days ago!
Everyone, let's do the rain dance.
does the rain dance
template <typename T>
clbutt optional;
@tom_mai78101 that's so random I love it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I assume the be the C++ spec'. Last time I checked, the specified nothing more then C++
@tom_mai78101 is that like the truffle shuffle?
14:15
@thecoshman Yes, and it does so using only 30 clauses.
I'd like to see /me support here
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've lost track and care
Xeo
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not happening.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit thecoshman thinks you're an idiot
14:16
tom_mai78101 says "/me was already implemented."
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Q: /me command for chat

The Unhandled ExceptionI love the "action" command /me found elsewhere, and think it would be fun to have in the chat. A message like: /me loves the new chat system Would show up as: Josh loves the new chat system Rather than: Josh: loves the new chat system I'm trying to think how it would work with ...

Scientist A: Well, we did it. The AI is now smarter than both of us.
Scientist B: What do we do now?
Scientist A: ....
Scientist A: I don't know. Ask it to write a next-generation AI for us?
Pointless
@R.MartinhoFernandes Might join you at that.
after all, substitute "Unix" for "Windows" and maybe when I'm done, I can ditch Clang.
Give me /ban instead
14:19
Hmm, GN2013 will not be this month.
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A: /me command for chat

devinbThe "Chat" aspect was created for discussion. It was created so that issues which were being hammered out in long convoluted comment threads could be discussed in real-time on in a separate area. This is in no way enhanced by the ability to say "Devin likes ponies". Or even devinb: I feel ...

lol
¬_¬ oh great, now we are subjected to this '/me' shit
> Allowing these /me comments simply creates less of a "serious discussion" and more of a "carnival" atmosphere, where we are encouraged to /sing and /dance for each others amusement.
isn't that what we're all about?
I concur
WTF how so many "cures" throughout history involve mutilated genitals, urine, or feces. Or all of them.
14:21
@TonyTheLion did I mention I am aghast at the current price of fish?
@R.MartinhoFernandes what are you reading?
@thecoshman lol
@R.MartinhoFernandes erm... wrong room?
c.500BC: A Roman cure for bald spots - burn the genitals of an ass or donkey and mix to a paste with your own urine, then apply liberally.
"apply liberally"
14:22
too much information
yet another fine example of why context is so precious
@TonyTheLion You asked.
I know, I regret it already :(
ooh, did we upset the bug again? Just noticed a lack of sarcasm
¬_¬ I vote for an instant bin of all messages starting with '/me'
see, you lose. because when it's implemented, my agreement goes away. ZING!
welp, considering the only idiot doing agrees
Hey, any of you people going to CeBit next month?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I bow to you good sir... with equal scorn
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What's that?
I'm infiltrating an undergraduate CS society's trip
14:25
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you realise that will be a poor place to pick up girls
@thecoshman doesn't matter. we're taking a few with us.
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Q: Can Linux GUI Applications be skinned?

GhettoGirlI wanted to know, if Linux GUI Applications can be skinned like "Keygens or Cracks" in Windows are skinned or skins like "Window Blinds" have, that overrides the default theme completely (Window Decorations, Styles, ...). For .NET Framework there is also DevExpress available, that have awesome sk...

"Keygens and Cracks"
> skinned like "Keygens or Cracks"
14:27
@R.MartinhoFernandes Awesome question. So awesome I can't think of anything to say.
I'd say potato.
Speaking of keygens, I know they program in assembly, but do they use a library to create those types of programs?
nah. It's fairly easy to link to winapi from asm
And when you got winapi, you don't need other libs. They just use shitload of legacy code.
Also, weren't linux meant to be boring and CLI and so on?
There was a video that came from a demoscene tht demonstrates the ability to create 2.5D on the screen. Are the graphics demonstrated really just pixels and math formulae calculating, similar to how OpenGL/DirectX work behind the scenes?
Have you ever seen a keygen, they are a fukking piece of eye candy. — GhettoGirl 10 secs ago
This question is great.
14:30
It is!
I can't believe they also forgot the other major component of a keygen. Music!
0
Q: String length without loop and builtin function

LearnerHow would i find out the length of a string without using loop and built-in function ?

assembler?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh, top notch date
Square waves, sine waves, they sound bizzare, but awesome for a tune.
@TonyTheLion Wouldn't that technically just use a loop anyway?
14:32
@tom_mai78101 depends on the Hz
there's no real loops in assembler
just goto thingies
I think "/me" has an eloquence that would almost fit with Shakespeare. For example: "To die. To sleep no more. For in that sleep of death what dreams of /me may come. When /we have shuffled off this mortal coil, /me must give us pause." Yup, I think /we should give it much more serious consideration.
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@TonyTheLion A "real loop" is also translated by the compiler into a "goto thingy".
@TonyTheLion x86 has a loop instruction.
@thecoshman Right, low Hz sounds like static, and high Hz sounds like classical music.
14:33
@JerryCoffin oh, well, I suck at assembler
@thecoshman yep. eight hours on a coach there and back, plenty of booze :D
@TonyTheLion You're not alone in this one.
@tom_mai78101 was, I was thinking more frequencies that can not be heard, but what ever
Can you please refer to it as "assembly"?
14:35
@AndreiTita but OP prolly doesn't know assembler and wouldn't know that fact and so can be fooled.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit might I suggest you avoid making it sound like gang rape
@TonyTheLion Of course, loop <label> translates to decrecment [RE]CX, and goto <label> if not 0... :-)
Maybe "buttembly" if you want to be PC. But not "assembler".
Assembler is the program that turns assembly into binary code~
14:35
@TonyTheLion Actually recursion is a good answer to that question.
well, I didn't know that
In case you're wondering what robot's talking about
thank you @Cat
@thecoshman oh okay we it's not like we're driving through Delhi or anything
Now if someone finds a dupe stackoverflow.com/q/14688849/46642 we can close with all five different reasons.
14:36
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I read "eight hours on a couch there and back, plenty of booze." And I thought you're drunk on the couch for how long it takes to figure out. :/
@AndreiTita last time I tried to understand recursion, my stack overflowed. :(
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh, so now you are racist too :P
@TonyTheLion ¬_¬ really? It's not a hard concept
or is that an attempt at a funny?
@thecoshman Last time I checked, cities are not races.
14:37
it was a bad joke
@thecoshman It was a callback to two recent stories which gained worldwide media notoriety
Have you been living under a rock?
@TonyTheLion Just think of childbirth. Problem solved.
@R.MartinhoFernandes too late :(
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the people are of a distinctly non English race
@thecoshman So? Don't be so racist!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I care very little for world news
14:39
@thecoshman Evidently
@Jeffrey it tries less hard to mimick the problems of C
@LightnessRacesinOrbit usually the colon letter 'p' indicates a joking attitude
@thecoshman Usually! you never know in here.
@thecoshman Oh come on, don't just sit there! Why haven't you signed up yet.
@thecoshman Also I can never trust a racist to tell the truth about joking
14:41
Since two days ago I have to try very hard not to tell @LightnessRacesinOrbit to get over himself whenever there's something he appears to find disagreeable. colon p
@R.MartinhoFernandes Link to the mailinator.com account you used?
@sehe fresh out
By the way, VS update 2 was released 4 days ago. I thought it's going to take more to release
@AndreiTita You'll learn. Tomalak was a lounge pedant long before it became fashionable
@BartekBanachewicz Not a compiler update.
14:42
@sehe Ah, sorry, can't do that. It's the one behind [email protected], but I don't want to spill the read-accessible address.
@BartekBanachewicz But, GIT support
ah, "This CTP is NOT a “go-live” CTP. It is for evaluation only. We’re trying to learn from Update 1 and get feedback earlier in the cycle. "
@LightnessRacesinOrbit and here I give up
I thought that said "tits"
@AndreiTita that's codenamed, as sehe pointed out, "Update GIT"
14:43
@R.MartinhoFernandes Too bad. Keep us posted :)
@BartekBanachewicz :)
@ScottW really?
@AndreiTita ;)
don't be so sanctimonious
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You could just let a bot inject that phrase 5x a day and not even influence the frequency statistics
14:44
either dead has updated them, or your friend is ignorant to how biased those tuts are
DeadMG's tits are biased?
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit who
@R.MartinhoFernandes OMG rofl.
14:45
Fammit*
@AndreiTita careful there, don't want to hurt yourself
cue my entrance
@AndreiTita I'm absolutely sure the Robot intends to write a Hell++-NG compiler. Just to mess with the judging software
@ScottW he does have some good stuff on there, just for me, far too much of it is proclaiming (indirectly) how MS shit gold bricks
14:47
@sehe What's Hell++? When I google that I get all the wrong things. Also, what's NG?
Actually, I don't intend to write anything. I don't have time for that.
> niXman said on Jan 31, 2013 09:59 PM: I am familiar with the author of the liveworkspace.org and he says that will soon add Intel C++ and JVM languages!
When is "Wreck-it Ralph" be on DVD?? My bag of microwaved popcorns are to be expired if I don't do something. D:
@sehe where's that from?
14:49
@AndreiTita A theoretical implementation of C++ that is 100% conformant but tries as hard as possible to make the silliest and most annoying uses of undefined and implementation-defined behaviour.
@AndreiTita NextGen, you know C -> C++, cvs->cvsNT, Windows -> WindowsNT, EnumProcess -> EnumProcessEx. So, Hell++ deserves extra 'newness' "Hell++NGv2.1x" once the robot is done with it. Well, conceptually
@tom_mai78101 ¬_¬ pirate bay + dvd burner = about as long as it takes to download + about as long as it takes to burn * (times you fuck up burning it to disk + 1)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah. I thought there would be a gcc flag for that or something (j/k).
I love how LuaGit2 is above NodeJs' node-gitteh (in the list of libgit2 )
14:50
Jul 6 '12 at 15:36, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Modulo bugs, Hell++ is 100% compliant. It's the most compliant implementation available. Pity it's not actually available.
@ScottW I was just opening my kitchen cabinets, looking for a big mug for me to drink water from, and just found this bag of popcorn, unopened, and about to expire.
@sehe Haha.
May 21 '12 at 15:21, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Hell++ is not about being faster. Heck, sizeof(size_t) is 100.
@BartekBanachewicz lexicographical sort
14:51
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sadly, that means that CHAR_BIT will have to be less.
@sehe why then python is first, and D last?
@tom_mai78101 dinner sorted
Porting ANSI C libraries to lua is extremely fast
It takes, like, 5 minutes?
@BartekBanachewicz Random line noise. Actually, I suspect a conspiracy
@thecoshman It's 10:51PM, close to midnight snack.
14:52
@BartekBanachewicz SWIG makes that happen for Java, C#, C++, Lua, Perl, Python, Ruby...
I wonder how python devs were able to do it faster, though, if it's basing on time of implementation
@sehe duh, but Lua does that natively. SWIG is ... swiggy
@tom_mai78101 a) get a proper time zone b) fire up the microwave
@thecoshman I'm GMT +0800
@BartekBanachewicz I might one day look into Lua
14:53
@tom_mai78101 and?
@sehe I love you.
I think I have defined the size of most of the fundamental types, btw.
Jan 24 '12 at 17:44, by R. Martinho Fernandes
In Hell++, sizeof(bool) is 237.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought it was guaranteed that sizeof(int)>sizeof(char)
@thecoshman I'm already popping them popcorns.
@BartekBanachewicz I take it back, then
14:54
@sehe Or equal.
They can all be long longs.
@sehe Okay, I might be a bit freaking out about this language.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh good. That's ununfortunate
man, fuck double spacing
@tom_mai78101 idiot. you pop corn. popcorn will just burn if you try to cook it
@sehe But, look at this for example. It's so full of positive energy and hugs.
@BartekBanachewicz It's called projection. You love the language, project your emotion on random passer by. No big deal. It's how 90% of violent crime happens.
@thecoshman I thought people say that when popcorn pops in the microwave, they are call "popping them popcorns"? D:
@TonyTheLion heh
@BartekBanachewicz oh god
@TonyTheLion Awesome.
14:56
prends ça!
I have a suspicion we're dealing with a French guy
@sehe and 90% 100% of random hugs?
@BartekBanachewicz Oh god I feel the need to link Metal Umlaut again today.
@AndreiTita hehe I was actually waiting for that
5 hours ago, by Andrei Tita
A metal umlaut (also known as röck döts) is a trema that is sometimes used gratuitously or decoratively over letters in the names of hard rock or heavy metal bands—for example those of Queensrÿche, Blue Öyster Cult, Motörhead, and Mötley Crüe. Among English speakers, the use of umlaut marks and other diacritics with a blackletter style typeface is a form of foreign branding intended to give a band's logo a Teutonic quality—denoting stereotypes of boldness and strength commonly attributed to ancient northern European peoples, such as the Vikings and Goths. Its use has also been attributed ...
I'm gonna go to the uni campus and terrorise some undergrads. BBL!
14:57
@BartekBanachewicz those too
🍌̈ 🍌̈ 🍌̈ 🍌̈ 🍌̈ 🍌̈ 🍌̈ 🍌̈ Banana umlauts.
Or square umlauts.
I'm actually surprised I see the umlauts at all.
@TonyTheLion that's actually a bit sad. But nice to be able to see it
interesting. the replied-to nick goes away when you multi-line?
yeah!
@tom_mai78101 you can pop popping corn
@LightnessRacesinOrbit sexual references is tony's thing

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