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1:10 AM
@JeremyBanks I mean ok. I have experience only with PHP, C++, some Objective-C and other web related languages (SQL, Javascript/jQuery) and I'd like to extend it to Ruby and Python for the web (because I have a 1-year contract to create a website). And I don't know which to pick. Let's just assume I pick python, I learn it well, and then what? What if the web server does not support it? Even if it is supported, what if I have to interact with the database and I can't install the MySql-Connector?
@JeremyBanks, there are too many problems compared to PHP in which every library I need is basically preinstalled in every web host.
@JeremyBanks, I know PHP is bad (even if I agree with most of the choices the language creators made), but what are some real options? (I'm not even thinking of Microsoft's options at the moment)
@Poik Why don't you tell me what's so wrong about PHP code around here?
 
 
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4:05 AM
@Jeffrey I only use VPSs, and since I have total control over the virtual server I don't haven't had to worry about things like that, and don't really know the answers to your questions. I haven't used shared hosting since I used PHP, which was a long time ago.
 
 
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9:40 AM
@Tshepang I use to have a test set-up where each VM was named after a city and as a bonus the language and region settings of each machine as set to that of the city. You also get a few nice wallpapers to apply to the VM making them very visually distinctive
 
 
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1:13 PM
@ChristopherHackett wallpaper? How does that work? What virtualisation software offers that?
 
@Tshepang VM can be any OS, in this case i think chris means its a windows machine.
 
1:35 PM
ok
 
 
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2:56 PM
@Jeffrey I haven't used PHP in about five years. I wouldn't know. :3
My best answer would be: It's based on XML, and uses HTML. That's slightly a personal preference, and it's slightly based on bias towards minimization, which is difficult to do within that framework.
 
 
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4:32 PM
@Poik Are you referring to PHP as XML-based? That doesn't really seem appropriate; "XML-based" makes me think of something like XSLT.
in Python, 10 hours ago, by Kneel-Before-ZOD
room topic changed to Python: language of the l33t [django] [python]
 
@JeremyBanks Right. Let me correct myself. Not XML, but tag based formatting. I don't know what the actual term for that is.
 
I would suggest moving back to the classic room. See y'all there!
@Poik Right; not sure what I'd call that myself.
 
4:49 PM
@JeremyBanks I wonder if there is a way for owners to delete busy rooms
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Q: Is it possible for the owner of a chat room that has been frozen, to edit or delete it?

blueberryfieldsIs this functionality available? If not, has it been considered already?

 
@Tshepang They can't delete it, but they can make it "gallery mode" so that only approved users can post. After nobody has posted for a couple of weeks, the room will be frozen.
 
@JeremyBanks i dont see the point of having 2 rooms. but i also think that 'Python: language of the l33t [django] [python]' is a HORRIBLE name for a room. if anything, should be just 'Python'
 
I also think l33t is a bit of a negative term
 
also, given that THIS room is more active now, why not merge into this room?
 
@InbarRose That's not actually the room name, it's the description. The message I quoted above is misleadingly phrased. (I know that's still not great, but it's better than it being the room.)
 
4:51 PM
@InbarRose it has the precious room 6 label
 
You can't merge the posts between two rooms, and that room has more history.
@Tshepang And this.
 
@Tshepang Especially since it's supposed to be 1337.
 
okay, yes, but still. we are not little children, (well i cant speak for everyone) i personally am a professional, and i do not want sillyness else i will leave.
 
who moved my cheese
 
what does the 'room6' label give?
nothing, except a lot of history.
 
4:53 PM
@InbarRose tis the original Python room
 
which i think is great
 
so we reactivate it
 
but now it is something else
which is a shame
 
@InbarRose That actually makes me a bit sad. A touch of silliness is professionally acceptable in quite a lot of settings.
 
the fact that neglegence let the room be turned into a robotics room for no reason is horrible
 
4:54 PM
I'd prefer it if you don't need to search two different chat rooms to search the history of Python chat on the site.
 
i agree
 
Also, Python is named after Monty Python. So, silliness is in fact written into the language.
 
so maybe we should lobby for a merge chat history feature
 
Try "import antigravity." :3
 
or the ability to include the history of one room in that of the other
 
4:54 PM
@InbarRose It is disappointing, but at least it might not have happened if the room had been more active.
 
@InbarRose why do you care so much about the content in this room?
 
thats not the sillyness i meant, i said sillyness so as not to say something worse, but i mean i do not want 'hackz0rz and 1337' in here
 
what's the issue with just moving to no. 6
 
Actually, I just realized that it might be possible for an owner to manually move all of the posts from this room to that one... I'm not sure if there are any limits on room owner tools like that.
It might be annoying but doable.
 
look, its not my decision. you should ask on meta if it is possible to merge the two rooms together.
not as a comment but as a new thread
i have to go now, but good luck. my interests here are just to have an active python room. and thats it. i opened this one becuase there was not one.. other than that.... no reason for me to decide over anybody else what happens.
 
4:57 PM
@InbarRose Does anyone still do that unironically? I'm pretty sure 1337 died about a decade ago.
 
2 mins ago, by Jeremy Banks
Actually, I just realized that it might be possible for an owner to manually move all of the posts from this room to that one... I'm not sure if there are any limits on room owner tools like that.
It may be possible for an owner to merge the content.
@InbarRose And thank you for opening this room; I'm glad there is an active room. :)
I've got to get back to work, but I've asked in Tavern on the Meta; maybe somebody will happen to know:
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Jeremy Banks
Does anybody know what the limitations are on moving messages from one chat room to another? Would it be possible to move hundreds of message over a period of a few weeks, if we spend enough time clicking "show older posts"?
 
5:16 PM
It sounds like a room owner should be able to migrate all of the old messages. Balpha, the main developer behind the chat, says that he never implemented a limit on the migration tools.
(If an owner wanted, they could add me as an owner so I could migrate all of the message to the "Python" room later today.)
 
 
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6:41 PM
hi
need some help with this
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Q: Form validation with WTForms and SQLAlchemy in Flask

loveshI have a form that i have to validate and then save the data in the database. I have a SQLAlchemy model called Campaign which looks something like this from flask.ext.sqlalchemy import SQLAlchemy db = SQLAlchemy() class Campaign(db.Model): __tablename__ = 'campaigns' id = db.Column(db....

 
and me with this:
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Q: Using different 'Forms' for different methods

mFontouraI hope i can express myself right, here it goes. I have a handler for a html page that has the objective of editing a "chapter". In this page the chapters are listed and you can use a button to add more chapters. So the first time you open the page, the chapters are listed and a button to add m...

 
 
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8:49 PM
Anyone here?
@JeremyBanks ?
 
I here
 
Can you help with django?
:-\
 
sori, no experience
 
Hi all
 
:-(
Hi @JonClements
 
8:51 PM
hi
 
any experience with django @JonClements ?
 
Ummm, not an expert - what's the q?
 
How do I do a manytomany relationship view in the admin page with 2 models... It keeps having errors...
 
Ummm - more detail is required than "keeps having errors" - plus some code
Make sure you've read and understood docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/db/examples/many_to_many first though
 
in Python, 1 min ago, by Neal
In order words in I have an Instance with many columns. and each column can have many instances.
in Python, 1 min ago, by Neal
I call many to many on the 2nd class (columns) but then how do I read that relationship in the 1st class (instances)
annoying with 2 rooms....
@JonClements ^^^
 
9:01 PM
@Neal Also read docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/db/models/… - those links explain it much better than I can
 
@JonClements hmmmm
 
9:26 PM
rrrg @JonClements I followed what that 2nd thing said, now I do not even have a way to link columns and instances in admin...
 
ummmm - I'll see if I got something using it, but just in the middle of tv catchup now - and will be murdered if I don't get off the computer soon!
 
9:49 PM
ooook
 

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