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12:02 AM
@DeadMG Hey, hey. I'm a scrub that knows nothing, but I'm a trying scrub. D:
 
@ThePhD Hehe, you're a scruuub..
 
Oh please. Get out
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yep. Didn'tcha know?#
 
@DeadMG O.o how'd he pull that off
 
@user1739957 you should put all valid codes in a .txt file in your program directory, and check at program runtime if the user entered a code on that list :o)
 
12:05 AM
lol
 
roflolages
@Borgleader Fucked if I know.
@user1739957 You shoul dmake the code "THIS IS THE SUPER SECRET CODE".
 
Ell
They purhcacse a key for their account (you hash their user details)
 
obviously nobody will guess that
 
Scheme worked
 
12:06 AM
@Ell Yeah got that, but how do I imbed that into a setup file
 
Ell
The client software checks if its valid by comparing hashes
 
someone told me writing your own setup file is bad
 
@user1739957 why do you want it to be in the setup so badly?
 
good job for "someone"
go ask them
 
@ThePhD You sure are. That event thingie looked pretty valid
 
user1174868
12:07 AM
scheme - it works
 
Ell
Man seriously where is that smell coming from
 
@melak47 What if they are not always online when running the program?
 
@Ell There might be a dead pig in the corner
 
@user1739957 the program doesn't have to check it every time?
 
@melak47 why not?
 
12:08 AM
user-number, I think you're missing something
so let me give you a hint
 
"GTFO"?
 
this is a chat, not a helpdesk, and we're just taking the piss out of you
 
@user1739957 becauseit's your program, and you can program it to only ask for the user data say the first time it's run?
 
oh, yeah
and GTFO
 
@DeadMG Or tits?
 
12:09 AM
@DeadMG Yeah dogs like to piss on things...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hard for tits over Internets, no?
 
Ell
@sehe Nope :/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's funny. It appears the operator in "Tits || GTFO" is not, in fact, commutative
3
 
@melak47 Oh, that makes sense!
 
@DeadMG I am not sure how to interpret that sentence.
 
12:09 AM
@sehe I'm hoping to remove a little bit of my scrubbiness by mastering the Event thingy with Variadic templates.
 
user1174868
What is the best way to get reputation?
 
@Jordan You already got it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It is difficult to receive tits over the Internet, as they are a physical object.
 
A bad one, but hey, no time to get picky
 
@Jordan answer questions correctly and dont ask stupid questions
 
12:10 AM
@DeadMG Ok. The use of the word "hard" was a bit confusing in that context.
 
user1174868
I don't know enough to answer any questions really, I can answer some scheme questions but they are sniped out quickly and most are too advanced for me
 
@user1739957 Coming from "I ask InstallShield questions in the C++ chat" over there
@R.MartinhoFernandes Quite possible.
 
@DeadMG In chat, not in SO
questions
 
user1174868
@DeadMG The problem has nothing to do with InstallShield and you would know that if you actually put forth the effort to read the question, lazy insults just make you look stupid.
 
@user1739957 that's worse. you know, SO is for that
 
12:11 AM
@DeadMG You can receive pictures of tits though.
 
@DeadMG inb4 "not necessarily IS"
 
@sehe Whatever. The principle is the same.
 
popcorn
 
@Jordan :) Thanks
 
@Rapptz you know, 3D printing has come a long way...
 
12:12 AM
@Jordan It's a question from a random guy about a random install something that has nothing to do with anything. What am I missing?
 
@DeadMG I know, I just predicted the cheap attack. Which already happened. You should be less sloppy :)
 
@melak47 We need to get 3-D printing done in real-time, so I can have Jiggling real-time Virtual titties.
 
@user1739957 A much graver offence, but I can't downvote you for it. Well, I could just find some other question or answer of yours and downvote that instead.
 
Jun 4 at 13:26, by sehe
EVERYBODY: Commit chatticide and PRESS IGNORE simultaneously?
Probelmo solvo
^ that time of the day again
 
user1174868
@DeadMG Is is about VSExpress and it even had a tag for it on this site
 
12:13 AM
@Jordan and "it" even had "a tag" for "it" on this site. Mmmm. What sorcery is this
 
user1174868
@Sehe The question even had a tag on this site
 
user1174868
Better?
 
user1174868
Oh let me fix that
 
@sehe TIL you can ignore people in the chat. Praise the BEARer of knowledge wink
 
@DeadMG Sorry, man!
 
user1174868
12:14 AM
@Sehe The subject of the question oven had a tag on this site
 
I think he's saying the question belongs in SO, not the chat.
 
Ell
Sauce plz guise
 
The fact it has a tag reinforces it.
 
@user1739957 You should be
 
"the question" (no matter what) had "a tag" for "it". Yay. Fuzzy logic. Oh, and "oven". I'm guessing
 
user1174868
12:15 AM
@Rapptz I asked it on SO, it was my first question and it got me banned
 
@Jordan Wait a second. Are you saying this user1739957 user is you. I get it now (confused)
 
sbi
Whoa! And I have only been away for 10mins!
Oct 27 '10 at 22:23, by James McNellis
Why are there 11 flags in here? This must be one profane group of C++ programmers...
 
@DeadMG And dont forget I could downrate all 2,881 of your answers and the 249 questions. That would be a lot of points. BUT I WILL NOT because that is simply not fair to do. I would make the rate system here meaningless
 
@sbi Repost...
 
sbi
@sehe Relevant.
 
12:16 AM
This place used to be called Lounge++? lol
 
@user1739957 Well, more relevantly, you'd also get them all reversed for serial downvoting, and secondly, I have 70,000 rep and you have 150.
 
@user1739957 It wouldn't. It would make you look like more of a fool
 
@sehe I said I would not
 
Its funny I now only see one side of the conversation xD
 
because it is not fair
 
12:17 AM
Not to mention that by the 30th downvote you'd lose your privilege to do so..
 
user1174868
Where do I cash in my reputation for money? I should call it quits while I am still ahead
 
@user1739957 Funny. That must mean, we disagree. Spelling it out: (a) it would not be a lot of points (b) it would not make the rate system here useless
 
sbi
@Borgleader Welcome to the club.
 
@Borgleader Happens.
 
sbi
@sehe If only you would follow your own advice, this room would be a much better place now.
 
12:18 AM
@user1739957 You need 2981 points and 97 days to downvote 2881 answers.
 
@sbi Define "much"
 
@user1739957 It's completely fair. You do bad things, you get downvoted. The only unfair thing about it is that the chat is magical and doesn't permit this.
 
sbi
@sehe Less crappy talking.
 
Oh really. "much". I wager I'd be <5%. And in the right direction. FWIW, I don't condone the flags
 
user1174868
c++ is a really cool language for cool people, only the coolest in fact
 
12:19 AM
Oooh, flags.
 
Well lets drop this
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wish I could see flags :(
 
Im not downrating anybody
/o
 
jesus's cock and balls, why so many flags
 
sbi
3 mins ago, by sbi
Oct 27 '10 at 22:23, by James McNellis
Why are there 11 flags in here? This must be one profane group of C++ programmers...
 
12:20 AM
lol
 
sbi
@Borgleader You only wish that until you actually have to see them all.
 
I think I'm glad I can't see flags.
 
sbi
@DeadMG I just validated them all. If you follow that, the room will be back to normal in no time.
 
12:21 AM
that's the fun stuff though
 
user1174868
@Sehe How old are you?
 
@Jordan Isn't it obvious? His fur is all white...
 
That's because I'm so cool
 
posted on November 25, 2012 by Herb Sutter

A few weeks ago at the Build conference, Scott Hanselman and I recently sat down to talk about C++ and modern UI/UX. The podcast is now live here: The Hanselminutes Podcast, Show #346 “Why C++” with Herb Sutter Topics Scott raises include: 2:00 Scott mentions he has used C++ in the past. C++ has changed. [...]

 
user1174868
@sehe go on...
 
user1174868
12:24 AM
sehe is just pathetic old guy that wants to prove how superior he is to people so he makes it hard on people like me
 
user1174868
always find these kinds of people in chat rooms like this
 
Ell
Obvs
 
user1174868
it is
 
@Jordan Never been hard on me. You must have poked him with a stick or something.
 
user1174868
I never did anything wrong
 
user1174868
12:26 AM
he just started out hating on me and I am not the type of person to take shit from people, he probably isn't use to that
 
@Jordan Yeah, yous an independant woman, mmm.
You tell 'im gurlll friiieeend.
 
@ThePhD Who don't need no man
 
user1174868
You are a pretty cool guy PhD
 
> The last edit was made on Liquid error: undefined method `strftime' for "2012-05-30 00:00:00":String.
Hmm, something went wrong.
 
@Jordan Now I know for a fact you're a liar. :O
 
user1174868
12:28 AM
I bet you got picked on a lot in school and just relish doing the same to people online
 
You're clairvoyant and you never did anything wrong?
You're name's not Jordan. It's Jesus.
 
sbi
Really, I will never get this. People storm into a room full of other people having relaxed conversations, disturb those other people, and when they get told to go away and play elsewhere, they think they can convince the others that they are not annoying by annoying them even more. Why would one do such a thing?
 
Stop making me look at blue rectangles. I hate blue rectangles.
 
Ell
@jordan I forgot how this argument started o.O what was your original programming question?
 
user1174868
@jordan Original since when?
 
12:30 AM
@Ell His last question that I can remember is "Whats the best way to get rep?"
 
sbi
@Ell See here.
 
user1174868
@sbi That isn't at all what happened. People took it upon themselves to try and talk shit to me.
 
I think I'll just swing around in an hour or so.
Play a game and think about how strange Variadic Templating is.
 
user1174868
@sbi you just consider any conversation that isn't what you specifically want to talk about as offensive so you get all worked up about it and then derail your own conversations
 
user1174868
All I did was kindly ask a question
 
12:32 AM
Blah blah blah whatever. Please don't be John Smith II.
 
Ell
@jordan you aren't making things better! Ask me the question again
 
@DeadMG Thanks for the tutorial, btw. Using it to enchance my scrubbiness.
 
user1174868
It is a scheme question about syntax
 
Are you victimizing yourself?
o.o
 
Ell
What is the question?
I know scheme, ask me the question
 
user1174868
12:33 AM
What does #0=(1 2 3 4 . #0#) represent in scheme? That is the output I get making a cycle with the list 1 2 3 4, working with set-cdr!
 
user1174868
I understand how cycles sort of work but I have never seen that syntax before and I am not sure what it means, I know how to represent the cycle in a box and pointer system but I do not understand why it works like that
 
Ell
Okay I lied when I said I knew scheme, but I am googeling it.
4
Is it a self containing something?
 
I have no clue about scheme, but that looks like the list contains a pointer to itself / its first element as the last element, making a cycle? idk.
 
user1174868
Yes I think so
 
user1174868
I just wish I know why that syntax was used, it only seems to appear when you use it to make a cycle
 
12:36 AM
if it only appears with cycles, it stands to reason it's cycle specific syntax, why would it appear somehwere else? :)
 
user1174868
I am not sure what is holding the places in the cycle either, what makes the list only contain the original length? When you do cdr on that list it gives (2 3 4 1) but why?
 
cdr?
 
user1174868
call to decrement
 
user1174868
like everything else except the first part of the list
 
user1174868
(cdr (list 1 2 3 4)) is (2 3 4)
 
Ell
12:38 AM
Because with a cycle it generates a new.last element from #0#
Because cdr just rotates it if you think about it
 
user1174868
I know that it works, but I am confused to why it only pulls out one number
 
Ell
The cycle or the list?
 
user1174868
 
user1174868
the cycle I guess, so I do cdr and it gives me (b c a) but why does it only add a? why not more
 
I should get going. Bye Lounge<Scheme>
 
Ell
12:41 AM
because It points to the first element only, not the entire cycle
When a single element is deleted, a single element is added to the end
The cycle is rotated by one position only
 
user1174868
the pointer is the list though right? the last element is the list a b c?
 
Ell
No, the last element is the pointer to the first item
Well its not, but it is replaced only by the first item.when cdr is done
 
user1174868
(define (make-cycle x)
(set-cdr! (last-pair x) x)
x)
(define (last-pair x)
(if (null? (cdr x))
x
(last-pair (cdr x))))
 
24 flags? What is going on?
 
We're having a capture-the-flag game I guess :)
 
user1174868
12:42 AM
so the last part of the list is the whole list?
 
Ell
just look at it
As a regular list, with a item pointer
when it is cdr ed the pointer moves along one, and wraps round by one
Just think of it as a circle
 
user1174868
I know that it works like that, I just don't understand how this code makes that happen
 
user1174868
like what exaclty happens when I cdr the list? I have (a b c) then I cdr and get (b c a) so the a comes from the first part of the last part?
 
user1174868
now the "last part" is the list b c a? so I cdr the list again and just keep putting the first part in the last part
 
Ell
Yes that's it
The a comes from item #0 of the previous list
 
user1174868
12:46 AM
I think I get it now, thanks, it is hard to conceptualize
 
Ell
Yeah, it is difficult
 
user1174868
I am probalby just an idiot and bad at programming but I thought that was a hard concept to get
 
Ell
Glad I could try and help
Nah you aren't an idiot for not understanding - maybe a bit of an idiot for the way you tried to talk to people here, but I'm sure if you apologise they might talk to you in future :P
Is anyone else here o.O
 
Sometimes
 
Ell
Ahh hello. Your birthday is over soon :(
 
12:57 AM
@EtiennedeMartel @Ell I got mingw to compile with G++ and Clang from visual studio and optionally execute, bu can't debug with gdb. There's plugins that can do that, but they charge.
@Jordan you might need a better book or a class. The C++ room is not the place to teach yourself scheme
 
@MooingDuck Pssssssst. I need some help compiling with MinGW out of Visual Studio. It's griefing me on the wildcard for *.cpp when I try to run the external tool (dl.dropbox.com/u/17644642/…).
 
Damn. Went outside to get food, and it was snowing.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I hate snow
 
How would I go about converting a list of ints to their char value, for example: [a|a<-[0..10]] to give me ['1','2','3'...] and so forth?
(haskell)
 
1:09 AM
isn't it 'integervalue' + 49 or something?
Can't you just do it that way?
 
In C++ maybe
 
I'd assume Haskell's ASCII values would still be.... in the same range?
Maybe? I dunno.
 
@melak47 Thank you very much! :)
 
Also I managed to drill down where the issue is with using Variadic Templates and Function Pointers is, and it seems to be on Line 60 of this code: ideone.com/vUSrNv .
 
1:11 AM
@ITNinja try Pubby's link maybe, that function will only do single digits
 
If I don't figure out a way to make Expansion work for Function Pointers,
I'm pretty much fucked. D:
 
Why do you want only a single character though? Your list has '10' in it which is 2 digits.
 
@Pubby I meant the one I linked will only do single digits, so he should check your link :p
 
My link has only single digits too. If he wants strings then he should just use show.
 
Thanks everyone, it works for what im using it for :)
 
1:13 AM
@ITNinja 10 will come out as 'a' though
 
@ThePhD What are you trying to do?
 
Oh hey, I see some flags.
What did I miss?
 
33 mins ago, by melak47
We're having a capture-the-flag game I guess :)
 
I caught the tail end of the argument and it didn't seem worth while
 
woo, finally an opportunity to quote myself.
 
1:17 AM
@Pubby The goal is to expand the arguments ... A to fit in that function pointer template argument. If I can do that, I can get the compiler to generate a function based on the variadic template arguments, which means I can have an N-argument Event system.
 
@ThePhD Seriously, what's with the 49? '0' just works.
 
The main problem for right now is figuring out how I can have a typedef for a function pointer that has a packed template parameter in it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I had forgotten. D:
 
So my red-eye flight got delayed from 10:30 to 1:30 am... nice
 
:/
 
Red-eye?
 
1:19 AM
Now I might actually have time to pick up that laptop I've been looking at.
 
my 1TB copy finished a couple minutes ago, didn't take 23 hours after all :D
 
@ThePhD Hey still around? I got something for you...
 
@ThePhD I don't really understand. Shouldn't you be passing the function pointer as an argument to the function?
 
@ThePhD It's probably just an American thing. Flights from the West coast to the Mid-west or East coast take about 4 - 6 hours.
 
@ThePhD ideone.com/120Ezs (note the variadics and the simplifications)
 
1:20 AM
The timezone difference is 2-3 hours.
So if you take it out at midnight from the west coast, you arrive on the east coast in the morning.
Just in time for work.
 
@sehe O___O
YOU FIGURED IT OUT
I feel super happy and impressed that you figured it out.
 
I just read the code and added variadics. It wasn't much more than just sprinkling ... over the place
 
But a part of me is sad, I wanted to figure it out so I could go to @DeadMG and be like "HAH, IN YOUR FAAACE."
 
@ThePhD The compliment should be all yours. There was really little that could be improved, IMO
 
So if I fly out of San Francisco at midnight, I'll arrive in Chicago at around 6am local time. (4 hour flight + 2 hours time difference)
 
1:21 AM
@ThePhD You can, still. Just don't look at it. Should I delete it ?
 
They call it red-eye, because your eyes will be red when you arrive at work the following morning.
 
@Mysticial Ah. I live in hte U.S. but I just never heard the time. Though, I've only ever flown east-to-west and back again like 4 times in my entire life.
@sehe I'll just be a good boy and not look. HONOR SYSTEM 'N' SHIT.
 
@ThePhD to be very nice, it should do perfect forwarding, and I haven't added that in yet. But perfect forwarding only affects the invocations, of which there are only 4 lines of code :)
 
I take a lot of red-eye flights.
Especially these few years during solar maximum.
 
@ThePhD looks fine to me, do you have a project selected with cpp files in it's folder?
What do you mean "griefing me"?
 
1:25 AM
@ThePhD what you will like to look at, though, is the way I refactored all the Remove overloads into 1 implementation
 
Guys why am I so easily distracted?
 
Note that if you add the same event handler twice, that Remove() would not be nice: it would remove both matches at once. In fact that's just wrong. Lemme fix it
@ThePhD I fixed it ideone.com/120Ezs (s/remove/find/):
    bool Remove(TCallback const& target) {
        auto it = std::find(invocations.begin(), invocations.end(), target);
        if (it==invocations.end())
            return false;
        invocations.erase(it);
        return true;
    }
 
Xeo
@ThePhD: What did you need from me wrt variadic templates?
 
1:41 AM
@Crowz well, it's because WANNA RIDE BIKES?
 
I GET IT
 
Back, and I couldn't figur eit out. =/
This is as far as I got, and MSVC error'd the shit out of me. Even for std::cout and string. ;~; ideone.com/7O4MZo
 
Line 16: you need to expand a: return ( *func ) ( obj, a1... );
Doesn't MSVC have explicit conversions now?
 
I think it does.
Wait, no, I don't think it does.
Funnily enough, IDEone is giving me a crapload less errors than MSVC.
I wonder... if I can just... keep working on it in IDEone... maybe then I can fix it..
Yeah, nope.
I can't figure it out. =/
Down to one error, and still can't do it.
But that's the best I could do. ><
Is it alright if I look at how you did it now, @sehe ?
@Xeo I'm sorry, I was trying to top of my Event system implementation by making it use Variadic Templates to take a variable number of arguments. But @sehe already figured it out because I'm all slow and shit and Fuck You, Variadic Templates.
WAIT, YES
AHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa I figured it out! ideone.com/7O4MZo
 
2:02 AM
> Fuck you, Variadic Templates. Fuck you.
 
IT WOOOOOORKS
 
@ThePhD I notussed :)
@ThePhD So yes, by all means, compare versions :)
 
@sehe Well, on top of that Vim Voodoo you do to keep it all looking so nice, everything's a lot more... compact. And simple. And you defer to a secondary remove function to, and it looks so clean and tidy and nice.... You even made the wrapper struct internal to Deduce callback, and got it out of the global namespace....
Why can't I figure shit out and be that clean about it? D:
 
Well, turns out it's not that trivial to do wireframe rendering.
 
@ThePhD Well, the stuff that mattered most was there. I would say you did a good job
 
2:07 AM
@sehe I wouldn't say I did the good job, though. The Callback stuff was mostly @Insilico's baby, see his answer
 
@ThePhD And of all the other stuff, I reckon that only the 'Remove' refactoring is something that sticks out as must-have. Now, the namespacing, it's something that only matters if you intend to librarify it properly
@ThePhD Wokay. Now challenge 2b: make it do perfect forwarding. (Hint: not as difficult as it may sound)
 
..... Uhm.
.... What's... perfect forwarding? >>
 
@EtiennedeMartel ...and, strangely enough, often slower than shaded output on many GPUs (not out of necessity; mostly because they just don't optimize for it).
 
@ThePhD It's... perfect :)
 
@sehe It isn't!
 
2:09 AM
Ahahaha. "more compact" is actually not exaggerating much. My version had only 72% LoC
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shhh
 
@EtiennedeMartel There's a technique to do cheap wireframe rendering - even over a solid render. It can be done extremely fast using a Geometry Shader (which can individually expand and emit any primitive type, which makes it perfect for taking individual triangles and turning them into line segments to be rendered), or you can use a strange technique I havne't quite myself mastered but other people have using normals and pixel shaders and vertex shaders and look-back on previous vertex data.
 
6 mins ago, by sehe
@ThePhD Wokay. Now challenge 2b: make it do perfect forwarding. (Hint: not as difficult as it may sound)
^ I may have misjudged that a little.
 
Well, after reading a bit on perfect forwarding, it seems like basically making it so the callbacks have as little cruft as possible between individal invocation and event firing.
So, no temporaries constructed, etc. etc., right?
 
2:29 AM
@ThePhD Yup.
@ThePhD basically, to make it work with types that aren't copyable. Some classes might be copyable, but it might be expensive to do so.
If you're interested here's my solution to the perfect forwarding: ideone.com/PlkpqK
I was confused a bit by the fact that the variadic argument list appears so many times in non-deduced contexts.
Function pointer non-type template parameters really are a bitch here (in terms of readability)
Damn. 3:32am. I should go to bed. Night all :)
 
Yay, got my new laptop. Now dinner, before I can open it.
 
=l
How come by the time I reach std::forward, he already has a whole implementation done?
Goddamn, I'm so slow.
Also,
 
@ThePhD prior knowledge...
 
I don't think Variadic Templates work in MSVC at all.
 
Anyways, I was asleep. I shouldn't be talking.
 
2:42 AM
Haha.
 
@ThePhD They ought to be in the November CTP
 
This is just a figment of the chat's imagination.
 
:)
 
@sehe Yeah, but certain places the unpack semantic ... just fails outright.
Specifically:
template<R(T::*Func)(Args...)> inline static Callback<R(Args...)> Bind(T* o) {
                     ^ (Right there)
 
@ThePhD Ow. I wouldn't know. I just installed VS2012 Express this week, out of curiosity. Didn't bother jumping through the hoops to get the CTP update, yet, though
Let's say, I'm more of a gcc guy
 
2:43 AM
GCC is kicking MSVC's butt as far as C++0x support goes.
 
@ThePhD Ouch. That's painful.
 
But I can't GCC and DirectX, as far as I can tel.
tell*
 
@ThePhD As does Clang. In fact, I'm afraid even XlC++ and shady implementations like that do
 
I'm not sure why MSVC is coming along so slowly.
 
@ThePhD Not sure. i think MingW should be ok? mingw-starter.blogspot.com/2008/02/mingw-directx.html (or just: google)
@ThePhD They lagged a long time. They seem to be picking up speed though. I'd give them a year
K - afk
 
2:46 AM
@ThePhD Microsoft is doing about like usual: first of all, instead of a lot of small steps, they tend to take a few big steps. Second (perhaps more importantly), it seems to be a rule that what's numbered as a major release can't include any major upgrade (at least in C++ compliance) -- that must be numbered as a minor upgrade.
 
@JerryCoffin Well, I guess I'll just have to tell Variadic Templated Event class to shove it for a while. Technically, I don't super-duper need variadic templates, would just have my avoiding writing DeduceMemCallbackTag2/3/4/5/Arrgghhh @___@
 
For example, the last really major upgrade for them in C++ conformance was VS 7.1. They waited forever to upgrade VC++ 6, and when we finally got VC++7.0, which was almost no better. Then suddenly came 7.1, which was a much bigger upgrade.
 
So VC++... 8? Or are we on 9?
Won't be great until it gets a +0.1 ?
 
@ThePhD 9 was 2008. By coincidence, 2010 is also V 10. 2012 is v 11.
 
11.1.
Welp, time to wait in a hole until 11.1 comes out.
Or hijack MinGW to work with Visual Studio, but I think those things cost money.
I'll die before I use Eclipse again, though. :c
 
3:08 AM
Guys.
 

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