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12:27 AM
FYI: The site is going into read-only mode for maintenance now. Chat may also be affected.
 
@RyanM it should be
 
Yeah, I'm unlcear what "impact" means, though.
I don't think chat has a read-only mode. It could, of course, just go down entirely.
 
 
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2:16 AM
Turns out chat does have a read-only mode, of sorts. The interface is no different, it's just that sending messages fails.
 
poke
Apparently chat's version of read-only mode consists of silently eating sent messages.
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7:01 AM
Is there a guideline for "How to do X" questions which come in parts? I often see questions where X.1 and X.2 have been accomplished, but X.3 isn't. The code posted then covers X.1 and X.2, making it look like effort has been made, but that's actually irrelevant for X.3, for which no effort has been made
 
7:11 AM
@Adriaan I guess just the general guidance that questions should be self-contained. ...for which I've not found a good meta canonical. I mean, I know there is - I found it a few times, I believe, but I've not bookmarked it, so re-finding it is an issue.
 
@Adriaan A "How to...?" question doesn't need to show own effort, it just needs to be on-topic and be answerable according to our guidelines.
 
7:27 AM
Things heating up in the "opening Chrome from the command line" community
 
8:08 AM
It appears most posts caught by Smokey about that website are nothing but a bare copy-paste by new(ish) users.
 
Speaking of...
 
@dur That doesn't look opinion based to me. I left a comment on the question with my argument.
 
10:04 AM
Just musing: if a user with <50 rep (no comment privilege) flags a post as duplicate, can they then edit the automatic comment to "bypass" the comment privilege?
I don't really believe this is either being currently abused or really much abusable. As I said, just musing
 
dur
@StephenOstermiller The question is about a better solution. Maybe that is not enough to close as opinion based.
 
10:34 AM
 
Hmm. The Suggested Edits stats page shows (from my account) 488 needing review; but, from an anonymous page, it shows 371. Does that mean there are 117 tag-Wiki edits waiting pending review?
 
Or maybe cache? You might be right, though but it would be hard to verify. Unless you go and skip through all reviews keeping stats, I guess
 
Yeah. And, AFAIK, there is no way to filter for Wiki edits only.
 
Which I find highly impractical, personally. At least for me, it's easier to either review tag wikis or regular edits. Requires different mindset, even if both are ultimately edits.
I'd very much prefer to be able to review only one or the other at a time.
 
@VLAZ Just abandon all mindsets and become a zombie-reviewer? ;-P
 
10:48 AM
@AdrianMole Looks OK
 
11:11 AM
@VLAZ Does this answer your question?
 
@JeanneDark Thanks!
 
11:23 AM
@WaiHaLee Flagged the user for mods to ex terminate amine
Lol, checked the user image. It's from here - I sincerely doubt it's the same person. Because, if so, then "Danny Johnson" (as is spelled on the website) misspelled their own name. Both the first and last names, in fact.
 
I wonder if they actually wanted to edit one of their two answers instead of that other user's one
 
@JeanneDark Entirely plausible. Now that I think about it, it might even be that the answer they tried to edit was a sockpuppet
Also lol at the edit reason, which I saw just now: "Beacuse there is something important missig in my comment"
 
jps
11:43 AM
@VLAZ most important thing for a spammer: the spam link
 
@VLAZ aha. The two answers by that user are plagiarised from other SO questions - I've raised custom flags on them too.
 
@WaiHaLee Yes, I noted these in the flag. One of the answers is even on the same page.
 
@VLAZ both* are on the same page
 
jps
so sad, a real amateur spammer :( We need to improve the quality of our spam!
 
@Adriaan I honestly didn't realise it was both, lol. I did find the two originals from online search, noted one was on the same page and did not look at the question for the other one at all. Spammer seems to have been extremely lazy.
I still wonder about the post that the edit was made on. It's from a different user but it's not plagiarised. It was posted within a few hours from the spammer. It somewhat seems like the spammer tried to edit a post posted by their own sockpuppet but then again, the edited answer is not as lazy.
 
11:59 AM
Morning
 
'fternoon
 
12:12 PM
Mods are on fire today, already 5 custom flags I've raised today are handled
 
same as any other day. There are still flags pending from July.
 
So I can expect to have my outstanding flags handled by December? :)
 
12:37 PM
FWIW i handled a user with about 30-ish bad flags the other day (had to explain why their flags weren't useful) and by the time I was done the queue was larger than when I started
 
Don't worry, Stephen's flags are all outstanding
 
It sounds like the appetite of the moderators for handling flags is flagging.
 
@Machavity so are you saying you don't want bad flags?
 
My flags are all out standing in the trash pile.
 
@Adriaan This user was trying to remove duplicate answers. Most often that's due to them not understanding the nuances there (we remove dupe answers when they retread existing ones, usually in less detail)
What prompted the message was they basically flagged one that said "This answer covers it all. Please delete the rest". Uhm...
And as a cherry on top they had just posted an answer of their own
 
12:48 PM
@Machavity I hope you at least gave them the satisfaction of deleting that one
 
I didn't (it looked like a good answer) but they were bewildered that "we didn't care about site quality"
 
@Machavity of course we don't, that's why we don't moderate! ... oh wait
 
@Adriaan Well, moderation is only to oppress users, right? So I've been told, at least.
 
@VLAZ Not all users, only newbies.
 
1:04 PM
Ah, sorry yes. I didn't mean to imply we were fair and oppressing everybody equally.
 
1:56 PM
In LQA, 4 Deletes or Recommend Deletes (total) are supposed to result in an answer being automatically deleted if the answer is neither positively scored nor accepted, right?
 
@CertainPerformance pretty sure that is correct. Zero might count as positive, can't remember.
 
@CertainPerformance looks like all but one of those had a score of zero when there review completed. That might be the reason. Not sure about the one that was negative though.
 
@CertainPerformance This looks like a serious bug
 
@CertainPerformance This is a bug. Per this they should have been deleted for having a zero or lower score.
 
2:10 PM
@CertainPerformance That's correct. In all other cases a dispute flag should be raised.
 
@HenryEcker FWIW I found my confusion, it did used to be six votes, was changed in 2017: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/342632/…
 
@CertainPerformance For science, I closed and deleted that first question. There are no other delete events there. I would make a post on MSO about it and we'll [status-review] it so it gets in front of devs at some point
 
2:35 PM
@NathanOliver Ah, yeah can definitely see that being confusing. I'm very happy they made that change, there are so many posts to handle in that queue as it is.
 
3:20 PM
@CertainPerformance I wrote a Meta about it. That's very odd
 
@NathanOliver As far as I can tell, they were all negatively scored at the time the review was completed.
 
@jmoerdyk Yes
 
@jmoerdyk Is that possibly spam with the linked punctuation? Link looks suspicious, too.
 
@RiggsFolly That's not really a valid close reason. An answer being available on some external resource isn't important - it can still be a useful Q&A on SO.
 
@JeanneDark didn't even see the link
 
jps
@JeanneDark sure it is.
 
4:47 PM
@Catija Okay. Wasn't sure since we get a votes summaries. Those are "applied" to the 19th, but the review finished on the 18th, so I wasn't sure if the votes were before or after the review.
 
@NathanOliver Ah, yeah, I can see the timestamps for the votes and they all happened during the review phase. No worries. :D
 
5:15 PM
@Catija :)
 
 
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7:17 PM
 
8:28 PM
(Duplicate links are in the comments for question above)
 
@tink that's an external website, not a message in this room
 
@tink Not sure he's moderator of "german with Laura"
 
i mean
 
LOL ... sorry, not sure how that happened ... I thought I copied the permalink
 
looks like a search result
weird search term tho
 
8:35 PM
Kevin - it was ... I also hang out on language websites. And weird be German grammar in this case ;D
The "other" site doesn't have a concept of dupes, so I often just slap a search result in there as a response.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, per request
 
8:59 PM
coulda been worse
 
 
1 hour later…
10:17 PM
Request generator is currently showing this old cv-pls as pending. But it's been moved to the graveyard since. Possible bug?
 

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