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3:35 AM
Anyone else find the new(ish) tracking URL parameters distracting?
 
 
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5:46 AM
 
6:09 AM
@HenryEcker I don't think I've noticed those. When/where can they be found?
 
@VLAZ Uhhh. They've been popping up. I don't actually know what the criteria are.
Voting is different on meta.: "On posts tagged feature-request, voting indicates agreement or disagreement with the proposed change rather than just the quality or usefulness of the post itself." I would assume that people simply don't think that this feature would be a useful addition to Stack Overflow rather than an indication of your doing something wrong. — Henry Ecker 3 hours ago
The first link in that comment on meta has tracking parameters added
But not in chat (because it's not in the markdown of the comment)... also not while logged out.
 
I'm clicking on "Voting is different on meta." in the comment (not in chat) but the URL I go to is https://stackoverflow.com/help/whats-meta
 
Hmmmm. It's not a userscript. I turned those off. Maybe a site setting?
 
Wild guess: Chrome?
What does the link look like for you?
 
@VLAZ Firefox (oh and also Chrome)
its https://stackoverflow.com/help/whats-meta?_gl=1*1gmvhqp*_ga*[a bunch more chatacters]
I don't know if there's any identifying info in that or not hence the partial redaction there.
 
6:17 AM
Hmm, apparently the _gl parameter is related to Google Analytics. Perhaps my adblocker removes it or something.
 
Yeah. That is what I found as well. Which is why I assumed it was related to the change over of GA
 
Disabled the adblocker on that page and I still don't get the parameter to show. However, it is related to cross-site tracking. I suspect it gets attached at some point and then gets automatically added to links for you since. Maybe I need a cookie set for that.
@HenryEcker Seems very likely.
 
It's not all links which is the confusing part for me.
 
If it's for cross-domain tracking, then perhaps it's links that lead from meta to main and vice versa, or similar.
 
Feature request doesn't have any parameters added nor does the comment above mine
Ahhh, yeah, meta to main could make sense.
Although idk why MSE wouldn't count as cross-domain. Unless that isn't something they're interested in tracking...
 
6:22 AM
Reproduced it: I enabled all cookies and disabled the adblocker (just in case). Not I get the tracking parameter
With all cookies enabled and also adblocker enabled, I don't get the tracking parameter.
 
I could probably just add an ad-block rule then. I don't necessarily mind the tracking here. It's the inconsistency that was throwing me more than anything.
 
It's also under "Performance cookes" - if you disable those, you don't get the URL any more.
The filter rules that trigger with performance cookies enabled are the following:
google-analytics.com/analytics.js
||google-analytics.com/analytics.js$script,redirect-rule=google-analytics.com/analytics.js:5
||google-analytics.com^
googletagmanager_gtm.js
||googletagmanager.com/gtag/js$script,redirect-rule=googletagmanager_gtm.js:5
||googletagmanager.com^
||google-analytics.com^
Not sure exactly which one is responsible for the _gl parameter blocking
 
 
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8:39 AM
hand drawn: ✔ circle: ✖
 
 
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2:37 PM
> In my opinion having simple optional messages like shit post, bad grammar, bad code, something else would already help the OP to improve their questions greatly.
 
 
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3:39 PM
Today, for the first time in my life, my adblocker accidentally and secretly blocked a correct piece of functionality for me.
I've been using adblockers for a dozen years or more. Occasionally some legitimate functionality does get blocked but it's quite obvious. Today, I govered over the [angular-promise] tag and didn't get the popup description. Because SO made a call to stackoverflow.com**tags/angular-**promise/popup and this triggered a rule based on the highlighted part
Or...what I tried to highlight but chat decided to mangle.
 
The irony is that it was actually an answer. You have to say those exact words to fix it.
 
 
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5:30 PM
@VLAZ Thanks for looking into all that. I'll play around and see what works for me. Again, I don't really mind the tracking (in this case) it's more of an aesthetic issue than a security one for me at this point.
@RyanM I really wish users could see a pending flag on posts (after some reputation threshold). Just something simple like NAA(1) or flag (1) not who cast it or whatever (same as say... close votes, suggested edits, delete votes). I think there are more than a few people who would save their flags for things that were not already being handled...
 
5:42 PM
@HenryEcker Yeah, and I think a lot of the time of folks in SOBotics could be better spent than repeatedly reviewing these posts.
The system should really auto-delete anything with enough NAA flags from 2k+ users, though we'd need a way to audit the results.
I'd say 6 NAA flags from 2k+ users should auto-delete if we could spot-check the results.
 
I think in theory that's kinda what delete votes are for. Though significantly more limited in amount than NAA flags.
In practice, I tend to agree. There's no reason a post should ever get to 11 NAA flags. Either through preventing more flags at some point and forcing users to wait for LQA to handle it. Or through automated external handling e.g Community deleting it.
 
6:16 PM
Edit contents: change some words for no apparent reason
 
i mean
did "something" not get "improved"?
 
it did not
 
 
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9:31 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine (or someone who knows) is there a link to the election bot somewhere I can have?
 
@Catija do you want the source code?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Dunno... is it a script or a bot? I guess just a link to the GH for it?
 
@Catija a full-scale bot :) here you go
 
Awesome! Thanks so much!
So, it's Sam's idea but you've done a lot of the dev work on it?
 
if there's anything you'd want to be amended, Samuel might not see it in the MOSH room here, but I am currently the second dev :) there are 2 test rooms that we regularly check: SO, SE
@Catija something like this - made a minor PR to Sam's repo, and it kind of grew in a passion project :)
the bot's their baby, though :)
 
9:36 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine We have an internal community newsletter and I was proposing talking about the bot for an upcoming edition. So I want to get the details right. :)
 
@Catija Cool! well, I guess, one can say is that I am one of the two maintainers :) We have big plans for the bot, hopefully I'll deploy a huge update to it before this goes live
 
When are you going to release it? We're putting the newsletter out at the beginning of October, so not long from now. If you have big things coming up, I can recommend that we wait for a later month. I'm not always the person writing this part of the newsletter, so I'm not sure whether I'll be doing it again soon - not that someone else couldn't feature the bot. :)
 
love the hell out of helping to develop it
 
(and to be clear, it's an internal only thing, we send out an email to the company to update them on interesting things happening in the community world)
 
@Catija nothing that large xD tomorrow, most likely - for some reason (you might've noticed), the immediate announcement of nominations broke recently (literally out of nowhere), so we have been working on fixing it
 
9:42 PM
That said, it sounds like something that (particularly if there's big updates coming) we might want to talk to the marketing team about featuring for the blog... but only if y'all are interested. I wouldn't want you to get attention you're not up for. :)
 
@Catija which's very, very cool to hear :) one thing I was wondering, though, would you like to reach out to SOBotics leaders too? I can't overstate how amazing their bots are
 
That's certainly a great idea! :) I know Petter does a lot of the management of their stuff, right?
 
I'm fairly certain Bhargav is still primary on most of the things.
 
Ah, cool. I wasn't sure since he stepped down as a mod.
 
I know for sure he's still running Natty (which is probably the most active bot).
 
9:49 PM
@Catija I'll ping them, but I don't think there's going to be a problem :) We make a lot of updates regularly, this one's just a huge maintenance one, not many new features per se. Of note is there is up to 5 dashboards for each active election happening (currently, # 2 and 3 are active - MathOverflow and Engineering)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine That's super cool!
(the dashboards)
 
@Catija IIRC, Bhargav's still primary indeed - I joined SOBotics this year, and contacted through them
@Catija there's more for authenticated users, but that's not a public discussion :)
 
 
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11:13 PM
@Catija btw, speaking of the blog - what input would you like from us should this idea go through?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine dunno. I was thinking about whether it would make sense as a "bots of SE" single post that covers individual bots and their authors or something like a short series where each bot gets a separate post. Do you have thoughts?
 
11:28 PM
@Catija that's quite a neat idea - I'd personally lean towards the "bots of SE" idea to introduce the general audience to the community creations initially, then, based on the reception proceed with more in-depth individual posts as a short series - does that sound reasonable?
[provisionary note: my definition of reasonable may be a bit skewed by a couple of glasses of imperial stouts at this point :)]
most importantly, I think is to cover what the bots do and how it helps with the day-to-day of the network
and that we can all use more skilled hands on deck :)
 

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