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1:06 AM
@Nick I've seen sporadic errors over the past handful of minutes or so too, something's going on on SE's side
 
Note I know that strictly speaking the above request is against guidelines, however the answer I posted is because I couldn't edit the question.
 
If we're being really strict to the guidelines, then you're not considered involved because your answer is a community wiki. FAQ #15
 
I've managed to edit it now and deleted the answerr
@HenryEcker that was my intent
 
1:32 AM
Uuuuuumm, super WTF... I just cast 2 delete votes on my own answer and it won't delete! (Well, I guess I could cast a 3rd vote, but I thought I should mention the occurrence) Anybody seen this bug before? stackoverflow.com/a/42522378/2943403
 
It was just recently brought up how there have been some sporadic errors which have been affecting edits, perhaps that's related.
 
Sometimes, a gold-badge holder will vote to close as dupe, and it will take some time for the close to be processed - it'll show "Does this answer..." for a bit if something is being laggy. I wonder if whatever's going on is similarly just taking a while to register that the own-delete vote has special OP privileges.
 
@CertainPerformance yes, the action on my del vote was noticeably laggy this time
@Vickel 5 close votes to actually close! Ugh. (the discussion of this change was probably already griped about in this room; sorry, I'm late to the party)
 
1:48 AM
I believe it's just really bad server delays re: again, votes not taking affect in a reasonable time. The server is not identifying the threshold has been met.
 
 
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4:07 AM
curious, this one required 2 close votes stackoverflow.com/q/73767874
 
 
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5:43 AM
@CertainPerformance curious indeed. My reading of the transcript suggests that someone nominated it as duplicate of a different question earlier, but that got rejected in CV review
should still be displayed as one of the close voters if their vote was involved in getting it closed
 
@tripleee I have a gold badge and was the first to VTC as dupe. I think what happened is that due to the lag issues from SE, it failed to recognize it the first time, and that the second close voter somehow made it check again and realize that the (now two) votes are sufficient to fulfill the closure condition
 
the timeline shows a comment where the OP responds to what must have been a duplicate nomination, and a review event where close votes were invalidated
 
@tripleee It was a reply to me. When a gold-badger VTC as dupe, the comment very briefly appears. When the servers are really laggy, sometimes it takes a while between when the comment appears and the closure takes effect chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/55247390#55247390
 
@CertainPerformance oh I see now, sorry I didn't scroll back far enough to see the earlier discussion
so did the temporary comrent also cause it to go into a review, which was then automatically rejected? Heavy magic
 
6:27 AM
@RyanM: Please bin above cv-pls request. Target is incorrect.
I will post new one with correct target.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
 
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8:34 AM
Is this a partial answer? Looks like the first paragraph solves the OPs error but then another error occurs and the rest of the post is about how to solve that one. I'm not sure editing would help there if it's a solution that makes the one error message go away just to make room for another one.
 
8:56 AM
@JeanneDark I don't think it's enough of an answer to make it not NAA, but you know what those mods are like!
 
Thanks! NAA flag is maybe a bit risky. I wonder if it's worth keeping around, at all (even edited) or maybe a del-pls request makes sense.
 
there are already three NAA flags on that, FWIW
it's 2am so I'm not feeling up to figuring out if it is or not :-p
 
9:44 AM
Was there some glitch in the close vote numbers? I see new questions that needed more than 3 votes to be closed.
 
@DalijaPrasnikar There's this deleted MSO post
 
10:01 AM
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Q: Should we burn [rowname] and [columnname]

The ThonnuI can't think of a pun for this. If you have one, please feel free to edit the title. Tag Counts rowname x198 columnname x378 Intersection between the two x10 Burnination criteria Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? And is it unambiguous? The tag wiki of ro...

 
10:27 AM
@JeanneDark Thanks!
 
11:47 AM
Urf, images of code, error-only title, completely wrong (and missing) tagging. What more can you do wrong in a single post
 
12:06 PM
stackoverflow.com/a/73773032/4826457 NAA or question is no repro? (NATO self answer) ?
 
@SurajRao Not no repro, just saying it was a stupid question giving no indication of how to solve it
@Adriaan error message as title is rather useful, IMO
 
> AES only accepts keys that are 16, 24, or 32 bytes in length. A password is not a key, but a key can be derived from a password by using a password-based key derivation function (PBKDF). Argon2 is a modern PBKDF, but bcrypt, scrypt and even the older but more common pbkdf2 are often used. The length of the plaintext has nothing to do with the length of the AES key.
Dont think the q makes sense
 
@JeanneDark neh, the title should describe the problem. The error should be mentioned, of course, but in the body
 
@SurajRao Maybe the question needs details or clarity, but the answer doesn't indicate it is typo/no repro. It's an NAA, just meta commentary.
@Adriaan I don't see a problem with error message as title. Makes searching easier.
 
@JeanneDark In case you make a canonical post, yes. If the question body is then nothing but a(n image of a) code dump with a "plz fix ma error" it's not useful at all IMO. Titles should summarise the problem, and "How to fix <error message>" aren't very descriptive I'd say
 
12:17 PM
@Adriaan The problem you describe seems not to be the title but the question needing debugging details. Not a good example.
 
@JeanneDark Not necessarily debugging details (if the code is complete + error message present), but rather clarity. I find a title that textually describes the problem and mentions the code + error in the question body easier to parse mentally than an error-only title
 
@SurajRao why would you try to remove a kernel security module without knowing what you are doing?
 
@Adriaan How long do you think titles should be? I prefer the error message over something like "Why does my code not work???"
 
@JeanneDark Titles shouldn't be longer than the limit, obviously. Bare error message dumps though, don't tell me much about the problem, as loads of things can cause an error message. Which is why I'd prefer a descriptive title and the error message in the body.
But I sense we're not going to agree on this any time soon.
 
12:39 PM
Do we do anything about cross-site dupe answers?
A -> B
 
Thanks.
 
Looks like the same person and the answer (other than the @address) is relevant so I would say its fine. note that meta post is about questions, not answers
 
@GeneralGrievance the salutations needs to be removed in any case.
 
True, working on that.
 
12:54 PM
@tripleee has been translated...
 
Offline?
 
1:11 PM
 
2:22 PM
> Execute me, I have a problem ...
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@AdrianMole D-:
 
 
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4:33 PM
 
jps
5:43 PM
^regarding Smokeys complaint about linked punctuation, I recently see quite often image links like that: [image][1[\]][1]. Is this a new or known bug?
 
@jps Just bad markdown. Probably typed without realizing it
 
The \ key is between enter and backspace on many keyboards, so yeah probably just a case of fat-fingering
I haven't noticed a particular up-tick in occurrence, personally
 
jps
@Machavity not really, it's always an additional [\] in the link. Dozens of different users would not make the same typo
and I saw such a case a few hours ago, which was then corrected by Adriaan.
 
6:15 PM
@jps I've been occasionally looking into improving the regular expression that that detection method uses, in particular to effectively "whitelist" the stack.imgur domain from being caught by it. Doing so would, based on some searches, reduce the FP generated by about half, while losing only 5 TP, all of which at a cursory glance appear to be caught by other non-maintained reasons anyway.
As far as users posting markdown like that (one-punctuation-character links to imgur), I think it's typically just a new user not noticing how their image links are being presented.
 
@SunderamDubey I disagree with this closing as I had previously said in the comments. One reason is that currently there aren't any significant posts for that error message on the tag. And the commenter before me argued hard against the post but wasn't able to spot where the error message was located (something that experienced users could porbably find with their eyes closed.)
 
6:43 PM
@bad_coder So, shall I retract the close vote?
 
dbc
What is the recommended process when, after I close a question as a duplicate with the consent of the querent, somebody else re-opens it and adds a correct answer that differs from the answer to the duplicate?
 
@dbc Would the answer they're giving apply to the question you've originally closed the question as a dupe of?
 
dbc
@Spevacus Yes.
 
If so... A moderator could merge that answer over to the dupe target.
 
dbc
6:52 PM
Can I flag for a merge while it's still open?
 
@dbc Meta or chat. Mods don't handle those
I'd go Meta myself and float the idea of a merge. With a Meta discussion behind you, the odds of a merge go up
 
dbc
Which chat? c# chat room? This one?
Ah our chats crossed.
 
If there's enough C# folks in here, sure. Closure is kinda our thing
 
@SunderamDubey My technical opinion is that the question is valid, so you should retract the CV. It might not be obvious but I've run into the same problem before. At least it gives a textual hit for the error. (Problem now is you can't retract the DV and the question is heading for Roomba.)
 
at least nothing of value will be lost
 
7:03 PM
@KevinB when you get a proven trackrecord on PyCharm I'll be more inclined to consider that one-liner.
So, please explain to me what "no frames" means in the context of the debugger and what might cause it.
But fear not KevinB I've closed 1000 PyCharm Qs, and I'll likely close 1000 more. In the meanwhile, my technical opinion is that Q should stay.
 
I don't see any harm in it being closed until the op returns to clarify
 
A number of the comments seem quite confused about the error. They seem to think it's a program crash rather than a debugger issue.
I don't see any error message with Frames are not avaible. always put FULL error message (starting at word "Traceback") in question (not in comments) as text (not screenshot, not link to external portal). There are other useful information in the full error/traceback. — furas Sep 16 at 13:21
e.g., this one. What traceback?! It's...not an exception. There's no traceback for a UI error.
 
7:19 PM
There is a duplicate, though the op seems to be claiming to have tried at least one of the referenced solutions
 
7:30 PM
@RyanM sometimes the debugger just doesn't give any other feedback than "Frames are not available"... I can't recall from memory why it happens 🤔 usually it's something indirect... Last time I got that symptom was because I had a function that yielded and returned all at the same time (so in that case it's an underlying Python error that causes the debugger to fail silently without any error message).
But it's one heck of an error to run into. You have to diagnose it indirectly.
@RyanM so this was the post that put me on track to find this solution which coincidentally is also what the elegant pytest fixutre API uses under the hood to both yield and return depending on input.
In a nutshell, any noob running into that error is definitely on the right track! (As I said, I liked that post - a LOT!)
@KevinB I hadn't found that post, but yes there's also that!
Then there's a number of other possible bugs like having deleted a breakpoint and the debugger still hitting it because it's saved on a non-existent line, etc...
 
 
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9:20 PM
@TylerH Could you bin chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/55250950#55250950 please? I just re-checked the definition of "involved" and I may be "involved" under one of the secondary definitions.)
 
@dbc binned per your request
 
10:12 PM
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